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only slightly OT - Europe needs to get its act together
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a425couple
2024-06-06 17:45:47 UTC
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This is only slightly Off Topic in Formula One.
A fair number of fans have complained about USA often having
more than one F1 race a year. A fair number of fans have
complained about reductions in European F1 circuits being
used, and increasing ones in the Middle East and Asia.
F1 must follow world events and trends. Auto making in
1950 was concentrated in Europe (England, Italy, Germany and
France) and the USA. That is no longer true.
Both in population, GDP, and overall power, Europe is
becoming less important.

from
https://www.seattletimes.com/opinion/this-d-day-europe-needs-to-resolve-to-get-its-act-together/

This D-Day, Europe needs to resolve to get its act together
June 5, 2024 at 11:14 am
M. Ryder / Op-Art
Bret Stephens By Bret Stephens
Syndicated columnist

Thursday’s D-Day anniversary — the 80th — is occasioning somber and
anxious reflections about the fate of the Atlantic alliance. Somber
because the last of the Greatest Generation will soon no longer be with
us. Anxious because former President Donald Trump, and his evident
disdain for that alliance, may soon be with us again.

The anxiety is partly misplaced. Trump’s truculent brand of American
nationalism is a terrible idea for many reasons, not least in the
encouragement it gives to Vladimir Putin and Xi Jinping to target weaker
U.S. allies. But Trump is also the messenger of a warning Europeans
desperately need to heed.

In a nutshell: Shape up.

Europe today faces four great challenges that typically determine the
fate of great powers. Take a brief look:

Growth and dynamism: In 1960 the EU 28 — the 27 countries currently in
the European Union, plus Britain — accounted for 36.3% of global gross
domestic product. By 2020 it had fallen to 22.4%. By the end of the
century it is projected to fall to just under 10%. By contrast, the
United States has maintained a roughly consistent share — around a
quarter — of global GDP since the Kennedy administration.

Think of any leading-edge industry — artificial intelligence,
microchips, software, robotics, genomics — and ask yourself (with a few
honorable exceptions), where’s the European Microsoft, Nvidia or OpenAI?

Military power: When the Cold War ended in 1990, the West German
military fielded more than 500,000 troops and spent 2.5% of its GDP on
defense. As of last year, it was down to 181,000 troops and 1.57%.
Britain’s Royal Navy, the most powerful in the world at the outset of
World War II, can now deploy just 10 submarines and fewer than two dozen
major surface warships, some of which are inactive.

In an all-out war, the British would exhaust their defense capabilities
in about two months, according to a report to the House of Commons
defense committee. The same would likely be true — if not much sooner —
for every EU member-state apart from Poland, which aims to spend as much
as 5% of its GDP on defense next year.

Demographics: What do Chancellor Olaf Scholz of Germany, his predecessor
Angela Merkel, President Emmanuel Macron of France, Prime Minister Mark
Rutte of the Netherlands and former British Prime Minister Theresa May
have in common? They are childless. That’s their personal business (and
far from representative of all EU leaders), but it’s symbolic of a
Continent where just under 3.9 million Europeans were born in 2022 and
5.15 million died. A shrinking and aging population typically correlates
with low economic growth, not least because entrepreneurship is usually
a young person’s game.

Europe has an additional challenge: a relatively high Muslim birthrate,
along with the prospect of long-term Muslim migration. Under a “medium
migration” scenario estimated by Pew, by 2050 Britain will be nearly 17%
Muslim, France 17.4% and Sweden 20.5%. Those wondering about the
ascendence of far-right European parties, who are heavily favored to
sweep this week’s elections in the EU Parliament and who are often
sympathetic to Putin, know this is a factor. And they need to be honest
that the values of depressingly notable segments of these Muslim
populations are fundamentally at odds with European traditions of moral
tolerance and political liberalism.

Purpose and will: Many of Europe’s current failings are explained (often
by European leaders themselves) as a problem of political mechanics:
insufficient coordination between states; inadequate power in Brussels;
failures of transmission between declared goals and real-world results.
But the problem isn’t just one of process. It’s also one of spirit. A
few questions:

∙ If Russia defeats Ukraine and decides in a few years’ time to attack
one of the Baltic countries, is there a deep pool of young Germans,
Belgians or Spaniards willing to die for Tallinn or Vilnius?

∙ As Europe’s NATO members struggle to meet the bare minimum goal of
spending 2% of their GDP on defense, are they willing to come to grips
with the fact that they probably need to spend twice as much?

∙ How much state protection, in social welfare and economic regulation,
are Europe’s aging voters willing to forgo for the sake of creating a
more dynamic economy for a dwindling number of young people?

∙ How forceful are European leaders willing to be in insisting that
their values — including freedom of speech, women’s rights and gay
rights — must be protected against the illiberal instincts of a growing
share of their voters?

Trump’s ideas about NATO, his zero-sum attitudes about winning, his
fondness for strongmen and his ignorance of and indifference to history
are all, rightly, causes for European alarm. But people, and nations,
succeed or fail to the extent that they refuse to hand over
responsibility for their fates to others.

“The world is what it is; men who are nothing, who allow themselves to
become nothing, have no place in it,” V.S. Naipaul once warned. It’s
good advice for Europe on this solemn anniversary of their previous
liberation.

Bret Stephens is a regular columnist for The New York Times.

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Dumas Walker
2024-06-06 03:26:00 UTC
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The anxiety is partly misplaced. Trump's truculent brand of American
nationalism is a terrible idea for many reasons, not least in the
encouragement it gives to Vladimir Putin and Xi Jinping to target weaker
U.S. allies. But Trump is also the messenger of a warning Europeans
desperately need to heed.
While I don't disagree with the sentiment here, I do disagree with those
examples. Putin and Jinping seemed much more encouraged to start
(re)targeting allies (Ukraine, Taiwan) after Trump left office.
Growth and dynamism: In 1960 the EU 28 . the 27 countries currently in
the European Union, plus Britain . accounted for 36.3% of global gross
domestic product. By 2020 it had fallen to 22.4%. By the end of the
century it is projected to fall to just under 10%. By contrast, the
United States has maintained a roughly consistent share . around a
quarter . of global GDP since the Kennedy administration.
That is interesting, and concerning.
Military power: When the Cold War ended in 1990, the West German
military fielded more than 500,000 troops and spent 2.5% of its GDP on
defense. As of last year, it was down to 181,000 troops and 1.57%.
Britain's Royal Navy, the most powerful in the world at the outset of
World War II, can now deploy just 10 submarines and fewer than two dozen
major surface warships, some of which are inactive.
In an all-out war, the British would exhaust their defense capabilities
in about two months, according to a report to the House of Commons
defense committee. The same would likely be true . if not much sooner .
for every EU member-state apart from Poland, which aims to spend as much
as 5% of its GDP on defense next year.
. As Europe's NATO members struggle to meet the bare minimum goal of
spending 2% of their GDP on defense, are they willing to come to grips
with the fact that they probably need to spend twice as much?
These military facts/numbers have provided fodder for the aforementioned Trump
nationalists in the US. They use them as proof that other NATO countries are
not pulling their weight.
Trump's ideas about NATO,
Which come from the facts and numbers stated above, which the US media in
the past has tried to refute.
his zero-sum attitudes about winning, his
fondness for strongmen and his ignorance of and indifference to history
are all, rightly, causes for European alarm. But people, and nations,
succeed or fail to the extent that they refuse to hand over
responsibility for their fates to others.
Because they don't like these things is not necessarily a reason to act in
complete opposite of them. They should do what is necessary in spite of
what Trump says or thinks...
"The world is what it is; men who are nothing, who allow themselves to
become nothing, have no place in it," V.S. Naipaul once warned. It's
good advice for Europe on this solemn anniversary of their previous
liberation.
... and they shouldn't be hoping for others to bail them out if the crap
hits the fan.


* SLMR 2.1a * It's never too late to have a happy childhood.
a425couple
2024-06-08 16:23:58 UTC
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Post by Dumas Walker
The anxiety is partly misplaced. Trump's truculent brand of American
nationalism is a terrible idea for many reasons, not least in the
encouragement it gives to Vladimir Putin and Xi Jinping to target weaker
U.S. allies. But Trump is also the messenger of a warning Europeans
desperately need to heed.
While I don't disagree with the sentiment here, I do disagree with those
examples. Putin and Jinping seemed much more encouraged to start
(re)targeting allies (Ukraine, Taiwan) after Trump left office.
Dumas, you are very correct on that.
While Democrat Clinton was POTUS, he influenced Ukraine to give
Russia all the nuclear weapons they possessed in return for just
a treaty and a promise of independence and peace.
While Democrat Obama was POTUS Putin's Russia by force took
Ukraine's Crimea and eastern provinces.
While Republican Trump was in office as POTUS Ukraine may have
been 'bad mouthed' but was not attacked.
After Democrat Biden became POTUS Putin's Russia launched
the major "Special Operation" to invade and try to conquer.
~misfit~
2024-06-07 10:35:33 UTC
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Post by a425couple
This is only slightly Off Topic in Formula One.
A fair number of fans have complained about USA often having
more than one F1 race a year.  A fair number of fans have
complained about reductions in European F1 circuits being
used, and increasing ones in the Middle East and Asia.
F1 must follow world events and trends.  Auto making in
1950 was concentrated in Europe (England, Italy, Germany and
France) and the USA.  That is no longer true.
Both in population, GDP, and overall power, Europe is
becoming less important.
<X-posting removed>

While I understand the whole 'follow the money' thing I think that it's also important that F1
races mostly where it's culture is strong and where it's drivers come from.
--
Shaun.

"Humans will have advanced a long, long way when religious belief has a cozy little classification
in the DSM"
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a425couple
2024-06-08 16:28:20 UTC
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Post by a425couple
This is only slightly Off Topic in Formula One.
A fair number of fans have complained about USA often having
more than one F1 race a year.  A fair number of fans have
complained about reductions in European F1 circuits being
used, and increasing ones in the Middle East and Asia.
F1 must follow world events and trends.  Auto making in
1950 was concentrated in Europe (England, Italy, Germany and
France) and the USA.  That is no longer true.
Both in population, GDP, and overall power, Europe is
becoming less important.
<X-posting removed>
While I understand the whole 'follow the money' thing I think that it's
also important that F1 races mostly where it's culture is strong and
where it's drivers come from.
What would you propose someone do,
in order to have another German GP ?
~misfit~
2024-06-10 03:57:17 UTC
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Post by a425couple
This is only slightly Off Topic in Formula One.
A fair number of fans have complained about USA often having
more than one F1 race a year.  A fair number of fans have
complained about reductions in European F1 circuits being
used, and increasing ones in the Middle East and Asia.
F1 must follow world events and trends.  Auto making in
1950 was concentrated in Europe (England, Italy, Germany and
France) and the USA.  That is no longer true.
Both in population, GDP, and overall power, Europe is
becoming less important.
<X-posting removed>
While I understand the whole 'follow the money' thing I think that it's also important that F1
races mostly where it's culture is strong and where it's drivers come from.
What would you propose someone do,
in order to have another German GP ?
Maybe have a German manufacturer racing at the sharp end?
--
Shaun.

"Humans will have advanced a long, long way when religious belief has a cozy little classification
in the DSM"
David Melville

This is not an email and hasn't been checked for viruses by any half-arsed self-promoting software.
a425couple
2024-06-10 17:06:40 UTC
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Post by ~misfit~
Post by a425couple
This is only slightly Off Topic in Formula One.
A fair number of fans have complained about USA often having
more than one F1 race a year.  A fair number of fans have
complained about reductions in European F1 circuits being
used, and increasing ones in the Middle East and Asia.
F1 must follow world events and trends.  Auto making in
1950 was concentrated in Europe (England, Italy, Germany and
France) and the USA.  That is no longer true.
Both in population, GDP, and overall power, Europe is
becoming less important.
<X-posting removed>
While I understand the whole 'follow the money' thing I think that
it's also important that F1 races mostly where it's culture is strong
and where it's drivers come from.
What would you propose someone do,
in order to have another German GP ?
Maybe have a German manufacturer racing at the sharp end?
Maybe have a German manufacturer racing at the sharp end?
Yes. Marketing 101 would say that, and also have a German driver
doing well.
Well, Mercedes has had an extremely long string of 'sharp end's,
and only recently dropped to 3rd or so. And Hulkenberg is still
there, and Mick Schumacher has not been long gone.
But,,,,, still not enough. Last German GP was 2019,, arguably
the unusual 2020.

But, somehow, the marketing and current culture are not easily
predictable. So, maybe all we can do is continue being
ourselves as 'remote fans' and enjoy what we can watch
while that F1 circus does it's thing chasing the money.

No, I do not like what Bernie and Tilkie have done.
I also am real unhappy at what "marketing" and the NCAA
and colleges have done to sports. Or what voters have
done to politics. Or the fact I'm getting too lazy
to do much racing myself. So,, maybe I'm just becoming
a lazy grumpy old man.

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