Interlagos (may be a bit of a spoiler)

[pP85PrR]

What an F'd up weekend.

I realize that there has always been weather that has affected race
weekends, but this recent one is the worst I can recall. OK, maybe the
Spa non-race is up there. (And I've been a fan for a while.)

As an aside, kudos to the race director for the unnecessary confusion of
abort/abandon.

I'm afraid to check the news for penalties. I suspect it will be more of
a shitshow.

[Mark Jackson]

Post by pP85PrR
I'm afraid to check the news for penalties. I suspect it will be more of
a shitshow.

At this writing there are seven issues still unresolved (summons issued
but no finding on the FIA website): four "aborted start incident," two
"tyre pressure checks," and one "dangerous driving."

[~misfit~]

Post by pP85PrR
What an F'd up weekend.
I realize that there has always been weather that has affected race weekends, but this recent one
is the worst I can recall. OK, maybe the Spa non-race is up there. (And I've been a fan for a while.)
As an aside, kudos to the race director for the unnecessary confusion of abort/abandon.
I'm afraid to check the news for penalties. I suspect it will be more of a shitshow.

I was so pissed off when the red flag was thrown. It seems that most of the field don't have the
sense to use the supplied full wet tyres when it's fully wet! So, the race director decides it's
too dangerous and a guy who stayed out, partly causing this danger, on 30 lap old intermediate
tyres in a downpour is gifted a win?

I don't know about post-race penalties either and don't really care. I'm going to watch the MotoGP
now, at least (hopefully) it won't leave me with a sour taste...

[Alan]

Post by ~misfit~

Post by pP85PrR
What an F'd up weekend.
I realize that there has always been weather that has affected race
weekends, but this recent one is the worst I can recall. OK, maybe the
Spa non-race is up there. (And I've been a fan for a while.)
As an aside, kudos to the race director for the unnecessary confusion of abort/abandon.
I'm afraid to check the news for penalties. I suspect it will be more of a shitshow.

I was so pissed off when the red flag was thrown. It seems that most of
the field don't have the sense to use the supplied full wet tyres when
it's fully wet! So, the race director decides it's too dangerous and a
guy who stayed out, partly causing this danger, on 30 lap old
intermediate tyres in a downpour is gifted a win?

The problem isn't that teams won't use the extreme wet.

The problem is that we've gotten to the point where the technology of
the cars combined with the extreme wet tires lets them work in
conditions that throw up so much spray that the drivers really can't SEE.

I've been out on a very wet track with far less technology and it can be
a challenge.

Just look at some of the in-car/on-car video from Brazil when it was
just the intermediate tires and imagine it even worse with extreme wet
tires.

I do think that the FIA needs to re-think the rules regarding tire
changes during red flag periods during a race, though.

[a425couple]

Post by Alan

Post by ~misfit~

Post by pP85PrR
What an F'd up weekend.
I realize that there has always been weather that has affected race
weekends, but this recent one is the worst I can recall. OK, maybe
the Spa non-race is up there. (And I've been a fan for a while.)
As an aside, kudos to the race director for the unnecessary confusion of abort/abandon.
I'm afraid to check the news for penalties. I suspect it will be more of a shitshow.

I was so pissed off when the red flag was thrown. It seems that most
of the field don't have the sense to use the supplied full wet tyres
when it's fully wet! So, the race director decides it's too dangerous
and a guy who stayed out, partly causing this danger, on 30 lap old
intermediate tyres in a downpour is gifted a win?

The problem isn't that teams won't use the extreme wet.
The problem is that we've gotten to the point where the technology of
the cars combined with the extreme wet tires lets them work in
conditions that throw up so much spray that the drivers really can't SEE.
I've been out on a very wet track with far less technology and it can be
a challenge.
Just look at some of the in-car/on-car video from Brazil when it was
just the intermediate tires and imagine it even worse with extreme wet
tires.
I do think that the FIA needs to re-think the rules regarding tire
changes during red flag periods during a race, though.

I certainly agree about heavy rain causing vision problems
for the drivers - this is not a skill problem, it is an absolute
safety problem.
And not just for the drivers, but also for race control and for
turn workers.

[Alan]

Post by a425couple

Post by Alan

Post by ~misfit~

Post by pP85PrR
What an F'd up weekend.
I realize that there has always been weather that has affected race
weekends, but this recent one is the worst I can recall. OK, maybe
the Spa non-race is up there. (And I've been a fan for a while.)
As an aside, kudos to the race director for the unnecessary
confusion of abort/abandon.
I'm afraid to check the news for penalties. I suspect it will be more of a shitshow.

I was so pissed off when the red flag was thrown. It seems that most
of the field don't have the sense to use the supplied full wet tyres
when it's fully wet! So, the race director decides it's too dangerous
and a guy who stayed out, partly causing this danger, on 30 lap old
intermediate tyres in a downpour is gifted a win?

The problem isn't that teams won't use the extreme wet.
The problem is that we've gotten to the point where the technology of
the cars combined with the extreme wet tires lets them work in
conditions that throw up so much spray that the drivers really can't SEE.
I've been out on a very wet track with far less technology and it can
be a challenge.
Just look at some of the in-car/on-car video from Brazil when it was
just the intermediate tires and imagine it even worse with extreme wet
tires.
I do think that the FIA needs to re-think the rules regarding tire
changes during red flag periods during a race, though.

I certainly agree about heavy rain causing vision problems
for the drivers - this is not a skill problem, it is an absolute
safety problem.
And not just for the drivers, but also for race control and for
turn workers.

And that's coming from you...

...who I watched drive around at nearly walking pace in your sports
racer after all your competitors had gone off track in heavy rain!

[a425couple]

Post by Alan

Post by a425couple

Post by Alan

Post by pP85PrR
What an F'd up weekend.

SNIP

Post by Alan

Post by a425couple

Post by Alan
I've been out on a very wet track with far less technology and it can
be a challenge.
Just look at some of the in-car/on-car video from Brazil when it was
just the intermediate tires and imagine it even worse with extreme
wet tires.
I do think that the FIA needs to re-think the rules regarding tire
changes during red flag periods during a race, though.

I certainly agree about heavy rain causing vision problems
for the drivers - this is not a skill problem, it is an absolute
safety problem.
And not just for the drivers, but also for race control and for
turn workers.

And that's coming from you...
...who I watched drive around at nearly walking pace in your sports
racer after all your competitors had gone off track in heavy rain!

Wow!!
Thanks for causing me to flashback to ancient memories.
That was quite some day!
My fastest lap (of 11) was 2:15, where my times were regularly
in those years in the rocket ship under 1:25.
4 Sports Racers took the start, and either went off track,
or into the pits before completing a lap.
One other SR hung on and completed 2 laps, fastest being 3:12.
Turns out, I just barely beat the best FV, his FL was 2:16.
Your countryman Rick Paine (who next year (?) won the national
Runnoffs in FF took 1st overall.
That class victory pretty much cinched the years
class championship.
June 15 2014.

My oldest grand daughter had fun playing in the mud puddles
in the paddock. Pretty wonderful day.

[Alan]

Post by a425couple

Post by Alan

Post by a425couple

Post by Alan

Post by pP85PrR
What an F'd up weekend.

SNIP

Post by Alan

Post by a425couple

Post by Alan
I've been out on a very wet track with far less technology and it
can be a challenge.
Just look at some of the in-car/on-car video from Brazil when it was
just the intermediate tires and imagine it even worse with extreme
wet tires.
I do think that the FIA needs to re-think the rules regarding tire
changes during red flag periods during a race, though.

I certainly agree about heavy rain causing vision problems
for the drivers - this is not a skill problem, it is an absolute
safety problem.
And not just for the drivers, but also for race control and for
turn workers.

And that's coming from you...
...who I watched drive around at nearly walking pace in your sports
racer after all your competitors had gone off track in heavy rain!

Wow!!
Thanks for causing me to flashback to ancient memories.
That was quite some day!
My fastest lap (of 11) was 2:15, where my times were regularly
in those years in the rocket ship under 1:25.
4 Sports Racers took the start, and either went off track,
or into the pits before completing a lap.
One other SR hung on and completed 2 laps, fastest being 3:12.
Turns out, I just barely beat the best FV, his FL was 2:16.
Your countryman Rick Paine (who next year (?) won the national
Runnoffs in FF took 1st overall.
That class victory pretty much cinched the years
class championship.
June 15 2014.
My oldest grand daughter had fun playing in the mud puddles
in the paddock.  Pretty wonderful day.

My pleasure for the reminder.

It was a crazy day; rain cells coming through, and trying to guess
whether your session was going to be wet or dry.

[durian]

Post by pP85PrR
What an F'd up weekend.

What a drive by VER... 13 times (?) a fastest lap, winning from P17, in
the rain. RB had bad luck in qualifying but made a good gamble in the
race by staying out and hoping for a red flag.

Very entertaining race weekend- that's for sure :-)
-peter

[Dumas Walker]

Post by pP85PrR
I realize that there has always been weather that has affected race
weekends, but this recent one is the worst I can recall. OK, maybe the
Spa non-race is up there. (And I've been a fan for a while.)

Many years ago, when Michael Schummacher was driving and, IIRC, Fernando
Alonso was young, they had a heck of a wet race at the same facility.

I remember it because I believe they both crashed out.


* SLMR 2.1a * "And then you turn the corner," as the DM chuckles...

[Woozy Song]

Post by Dumas Walker

Post by pP85PrR
I realize that there has always been weather that has affected race
weekends, but this recent one is the worst I can recall. OK, maybe the
Spa non-race is up there. (And I've been a fan for a while.)

Many years ago, when Michael Schummacher was driving and, IIRC, Fernando
Alonso was young, they had a heck of a wet race at the same facility.
I remember it because I believe they both crashed out.
* SLMR 2.1a * "And then you turn the corner," as the DM chuckles...

2003 was pretty bad, cars aquaplaning off left, right and centre. It was
abandoned after 56 laps, and Jordan ended up winning.

[Geoff May]

Post by pP85PrR
What an F'd up weekend.
I realize that there has always been weather that has affected race
weekends, but this recent one is the worst I can recall. OK, maybe the
Spa non-race is up there. (And I've been a fan for a while.)
As an aside, kudos to the race director for the unnecessary confusion of
abort/abandon.
I'm afraid to check the news for penalties. I suspect it will be more of
a shitshow.

Norris and Russell got fined for starting another lap instead of parking
up at the aborted start.

Mercedes got fined for the tyre pressure changes.

Sainz got a reprimand because he removed the steering wheel and the
marshals started preparing the car for removal. Sainz then reattached
the steering wheel in preparation for driving off but the marshals were
still sorting the car for removal.

No one got penalties that change the results.

Cheers

Geoff

[Alan]

Post by Geoff May

Post by pP85PrR
What an F'd up weekend.
I realize that there has always been weather that has affected race
weekends, but this recent one is the worst I can recall. OK, maybe the
Spa non-race is up there. (And I've been a fan for a while.)
As an aside, kudos to the race director for the unnecessary confusion
of abort/abandon.
I'm afraid to check the news for penalties. I suspect it will be more
of a shitshow.

Norris and Russell got fined for starting another lap instead of parking
up at the aborted start.
Mercedes got fined for the tyre pressure changes.
Sainz got a reprimand because he removed the steering wheel and the
marshals started preparing the car for removal. Sainz then reattached
the steering wheel in preparation for driving off but the marshals were
still sorting the car for removal.
No one got penalties that change the results.

And I think that's appropriate.