Post by ~misfit~ Post by larkim Post by ~misfit~ Post by larkim Post by Bigbird Post by ~misfit~ Post by Heron
Since MV's foray into F1, has he ever once raced
without hitting another car or causing a collision?
So these tighter rules which were supposed to not leave room for
interpretation are ignored for this race.
Verstappen forced another car off the track and gained an advantage -
a slam-dunk penalty - or at least it would have been up until the
recent uproar. What we are seeing the the FIA bowing down to the
If you look at a replay it's obvious that Verstappen opened up the
steering a bit when he was alongside Leclerc when he didn't have to
for car control. The only reason to do that was to push Leclerc off
Unfortunately it has long been allowed for drivers to run the outside
car out of road on the exit. Sometimes it is clear they have a claim on
the corner other times it appears a very unfair tactic to me.
Verstappen tried it the fair way on the previous lap and it didn't work.
I find the rules inconsistently applied but the ruling consistent with
what has been permitted previously.
(Note how much fun F1 could be if the cars could race a bit more like
that without one having to have a huge advantage. Again F2 makes F1
look a bit dull; they have ten cars able to run within 4 seconds of the
The grand total as of Sunday: 4,913 false claims
Last week’s total: 31 false claims
That’s the 75th-worst week of his presidency out of 116 weeks so far.
Autosport podcast review had a decent summary of why the stewards came to
this decision. Broadly they concluded that to a degree, Leclerc had
contributed to the situation by making choices to position his car in such
a way that his chosen course of action put him on a collision course with
Max at the exit of the corner. So given that both drivers
contributed to it
they were unable to punish just one.
Yeah they're wimping out. They could have made that same ruling w/r/t
Vettel and Hamilton in Canada
if they'd wanted. This is Liberty pressuring the FIA to stop
alienating their paying customers.
Without wishing to re-open Canada, I think it is fair to say that the
incident was certainly "wholly or predominantly caused by one driver".
I quite like Pedro De La Rosa's take on yesterday:-
"Let's not forget though that the driver on the outside can and should back
off at one point, but obviously with asphalt run offs no one does"
I would agree with that if there was only a little bit of overlap and/or
the driver on the inside isn't in complete control. However when the
drivers are completely side-by-side (as evidenced by the tyre-to-tyre
contact) and both have control of their cars then neither is obliged to
back out and both should give the other racing room.
In point of fact, the onus is on the overtaking driver to do so cleanly.
He can't be denied room on the inside, but he's not allow to force the
car he is overtaking to go wide.
Post by ~misfit~ Post by larkim
That's the choice Leclerc could have made. Once he'd ceded the inside to
Verstappen, with Verstappen not steaming in with all four wheels locked up,
Verstappen had the corner won - and therefore had at least a 60:40 claim
on ownership of the rights to determine his line.
But Verstappen didn't 'have the corner won' - watch the previous lap.
Leclerc would have had better traction out of the corner (as he was
straighter) and Verstappen would have been left behind. Both drivers
knew it (as it had just happened 70 seconds ago) and Verstappen chose to
push Leclerc off the track so that he could keep the lead.
Post by larkim
Leclerc could arguably see where Max was heading and make adjustments to it,
which he would have done had the outside of the corner been a wall or been
a deep gravel trap. But because it was tarmac he took the risk that he
could keep his foot in.
He did make adjustments. He allowed Verstappen all of the track except
one cars width on the outside. The fact that Verstappen chose to deny
him that racing room (while under complete control of the car and
running side-by-side) meant he should have been penalised.
For whatever reason (I think I heard the reason during qualifying but I
can't recall it), all the drivers were avoiding driving all the way to
the inside of turn 3, and clearly Verstappen didn't want to drive there
while trying the overtake... ...but because he was the overtaking
driver, that wasn't supposed to be a choice he was allowed to make.
The situation is that the driver being overtaken must leave a width for
the overtaking driver... ...but he need not leave anymore than that,
whereas the overtaking driver is ONLY entitled to the room that the
driver he is trying to overtake allows him.
Verstappen's "he turned in on me" complaint only holds water if
Verstappen is already all the way to the right.