Road & Track non-story

[David Lesher]

<https://www.washingtonpost.com/style/media/2024/03/05/formula-one-road-track-kate-wagner/>

So this piece appeared on Road & Track's website briefly before it vanished.

BUT too late, because Brewster Kahle had scooped it up.

It's fun to speculate who exactly was so offended by it that is was Disappeared.

<https://web.archive.org/web/20240301170542/https://www.roadandtrack.com/car-culture/a46975496/behind-f1-velvet-curtain/>

I found it an enjoyable read.

[News]

Post by David Lesher
<https://www.washingtonpost.com/style/media/2024/03/05/formula-one-road-track-kate-wagner/>
So this piece appeared on Road & Track's website briefly before it vanished.
BUT too late, because Brewster Kahle had scooped it up.
It's fun to speculate who exactly was so offended by it that is was Disappeared.
<https://web.archive.org/web/20240301170542/https://www.roadandtrack.com/car-culture/a46975496/behind-f1-velvet-curtain/>
I found it an enjoyable read.

To Liberty, #F1 and sponsors, virtue signaling is Job One.

[a425couple]

Post by David Lesher
<https://www.washingtonpost.com/style/media/2024/03/05/formula-one-road-track-kate-wagner/>
So this piece appeared on Road & Track's website briefly before it vanished.
BUT too late, because Brewster Kahle had scooped it up.
It's fun to speculate who exactly was so offended by it that is was Disappeared.
<https://web.archive.org/web/20240301170542/https://www.roadandtrack.com/car-culture/a46975496/behind-f1-velvet-curtain/>
I found it an enjoyable read.

(
I do not know why, this seems to have a bug in it that has lost
everything 3 times when I have hit send. I'll try again. Sorry for
errors.)


Thank you for providing us that.
However, I found it mostly irritating.

"If you wanted to turn someone into a socialist you could do it in about
an hour by taking them for a spin around the paddock of a Formula 1
race. The kind of money I saw will haunt me forever."

She thinks viewing ostentatious wealth will turn a person from economic
freedom, and capitalistic free enterprise into socialists. I think
most people after viewing Cuba, Nicaragua, and Venezuela, will
disagree. There are reasons that in the last 5 years 7.5 million
people have swarmed into the USA.

"We know there is a class system in America, a great divide between the
haves and have-nots. To be a have-not and be talked to by the haves has
an air of the farcical to it."

No, there is not. There is a spread, with many constantly moving up,
and many moving down. But the averages are regularly moving up.
Adam Smith's unseen hand moving through the world's market have
made most well fed and equipped.

"The corporate entity in question was Mercedes-AMG sponsor INEOS, the
petrochemical company. Not exactly the kind of institution a
bicycle-loving, card-carrying socialist wants to get involved with."

That show her bias clearly. Her mind was made up before she even started.
Why mess with observations when the mind is closed?
In motorsports F1 is the epitome of competitive capitalism. Winners
are allowed to win. Is anyone here advocating that F1 make a rule
that puts a 8 pound penalty on a car for each race they win?
How about making the Concorde payments to each team equal?
How about making them all use the same chassis?

"I learned that I'm the kind of person who would rather be right than
happy, would rather stand in my ivory tower than frolic in the fields
below. I experienced firsthand the intended effect of allowing riffraff
like me, those who distinguish themselves by way of words alone, to
mingle with the giants of capitalism and their cultural attachés."

The young lady who seems proud of being unable to drive,
is quite disparaging of people who develop wealth. She will most likely
continue to think of herself as 'righter' than most people in the world.

[~misfit~]

Post by a425couple

Post by David Lesher
<https://www.washingtonpost.com/style/media/2024/03/05/formula-one-road-track-kate-wagner/>
So this piece appeared on Road & Track's website briefly before it vanished.
BUT too late, because Brewster Kahle had scooped it up.
It's fun to speculate who exactly was so offended by it that is was Disappeared.
<https://web.archive.org/web/20240301170542/https://www.roadandtrack.com/car-culture/a46975496/behind-f1-velvet-curtain/>
I found it an enjoyable read.

(
I do not know why, this seems to have a bug in it that has lost
everything 3 times when I have hit send.  I'll try again.  Sorry for errors.)
Thank you for providing us that.
However, I found it mostly irritating.
"If you wanted to turn someone into a socialist you could do it in about an hour by taking them for
a spin around the paddock of a Formula 1 race. The kind of money I saw will haunt me forever."
She thinks viewing ostentatious wealth will turn a person from economic
freedom, and capitalistic free enterprise into socialists.  I think
most people after viewing Cuba, Nicaragua, and Venezuela, will
disagree.  There are reasons that in the last 5 years 7.5 million
people have swarmed into the USA.
"We know there is a class system in America, a great divide between the haves and have-nots. To be
a have-not and be talked to by the haves has an air of the farcical to it."
No, there is not.  There is a spread, with many constantly moving up,
and many moving down.  But the averages are regularly moving up.
Adam Smith's unseen hand moving through the world's market have
made most well fed and equipped.
"The corporate entity in question was Mercedes-AMG sponsor INEOS, the petrochemical company. Not
exactly the kind of institution a bicycle-loving, card-carrying socialist wants to get involved with."
That show her bias clearly.  Her mind was made up before she even started.
Why mess with observations when the mind is closed?

"Why mess with observations..."? I find it refreshing to read a different viewpoint to what every
other journalists' regurgitates after going on these press 'junkets'.

Post by a425couple
In motorsports F1 is the epitome of competitive capitalism.  Winners
are allowed to win.  Is anyone here advocating that F1 make a rule
that puts a 8 pound penalty on a car for each race they win?
How about making the Concorde payments to each team equal?
How about making them all use the same chassis?
"I learned that I'm the kind of person who would rather be right than happy, would rather stand in
my ivory tower than frolic in the fields below. I experienced firsthand the intended effect of
allowing riffraff like me, those who distinguish themselves by way of words alone, to mingle with
the giants of capitalism and their cultural attachés."
The young lady who seems proud of being unable to drive,
is quite disparaging of people who develop wealth.  She will most likely
continue to think of herself as 'righter' than most people in the world.

<added cross-posting removed>

At least she's honest, about her experience and herself (and that's likely why the piece was taken
down). I enjoyed her frank take on it all even though I don't necessarily agree with her viewpoint
etc. That said I probably have more in common with her than I do with the people she was mingling with.

"Send me on an experience and I'll have an experience. Sadly, I suffer from an unprofitable disease
that makes me only ever capable of writing about the experience I'm having. The doctors say it's
terminal."

Brave - and perhaps prophetic.

Back to F1 though, I was impressed with this part:

"When they set off, one by one, first in the sprint, then the first shootout, what struck me was
how quiet the cars were. This makes sense to me as someone who once studied acoustics in graduate
school. Formula 1, again like sword fighting, is about an economy of motion. Noise is a hallmark of
mechanical inefficiency. When mechanical systems work well, they work quietly. Noise at its core is
excess energy. In Formula 1 cars, being perfect machines, that energy is redirected where it could
be of use."

I've always wondered at the people who bemoan the relative quietness of the current F1 engines and
who pine for the old days of having to wear ear protection. I wonder if they also secretly miss
watching drivers die horribly...

[Alan]

Post by a425couple

Post by David Lesher
<https://www.washingtonpost.com/style/media/2024/03/05/formula-one-road-track-kate-wagner/>
So this piece appeared on Road & Track's website briefly before it vanished.
BUT too late, because Brewster Kahle had scooped it up.
It's fun to speculate who exactly was so offended by it that is was Disappeared.
<https://web.archive.org/web/20240301170542/https://www.roadandtrack.com/car-culture/a46975496/behind-f1-velvet-curtain/>
I found it an enjoyable read.

(
I do not know why, this seems to have a bug in it that has lost
everything 3 times when I have hit send.  I'll try again.  Sorry for
errors.)
Thank you for providing us that.
However, I found it mostly irritating.
"If you wanted to turn someone into a socialist you could do it in about
an hour by taking them for a spin around the paddock of a Formula 1
race. The kind of money I saw will haunt me forever."
She thinks viewing ostentatious wealth will turn a person from economic
freedom, and capitalistic free enterprise into socialists.  I think
most people after viewing Cuba, Nicaragua, and Venezuela, will
disagree.  There are reasons that in the last 5 years 7.5 million
people have swarmed into the USA.
"We know there is a class system in America, a great divide between the
haves and have-nots. To be a have-not and be talked to by the haves has
an air of the farcical to it."
No, there is not.  There is a spread, with many constantly moving up,
and many moving down.  But the averages are regularly moving up.
Adam Smith's unseen hand moving through the world's market have
made most well fed and equipped.

Yes, there is a class system, and most who are down never have any
chance of moving up.

If the average wealth is rising, it is because the extremely rich are
getting extremely richer.

I suggest you look at the MEDIAN, rather than the mean.

[Mark Jackson]

Post by Alan

Post by a425couple
"We know there is a class system in America, a great divide between
the haves and have-nots. To be a have-not and be talked to by the
haves has an air of the farcical to it."
No, there is not.  There is a spread, with many constantly moving up,
and many moving down.  But the averages are regularly moving up.
Adam Smith's unseen hand moving through the world's market have
made most well fed and equipped.

Yes, there is a class system, and most who are down never have any
chance of moving up.
If the average wealth is rising, it is because the extremely rich are
getting extremely richer.
I suggest you look at the MEDIAN, rather than the mean.

It's important to examine the distribution.

https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/2012-03-25

[Alan]

Post by Mark Jackson

Post by Alan

Post by a425couple
"We know there is a class system in America, a great divide between
the haves and have-nots. To be a have-not and be talked to by the
haves has an air of the farcical to it."
No, there is not.  There is a spread, with many constantly moving up,
and many moving down.  But the averages are regularly moving up.
Adam Smith's unseen hand moving through the world's market have
made most well fed and equipped.

Yes, there is a class system, and most who are down never have any
chance of moving up.
If the average wealth is rising, it is because the extremely rich are
getting extremely richer.
I suggest you look at the MEDIAN, rather than the mean.

It's important to examine the distribution.
https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/2012-03-25

Oh, I love that!

[~misfit~]

Post by David Lesher
<https://www.washingtonpost.com/style/media/2024/03/05/formula-one-road-track-kate-wagner/>
So this piece appeared on Road & Track's website briefly before it vanished.
BUT too late, because Brewster Kahle had scooped it up.
It's fun to speculate who exactly was so offended by it that is was Disappeared.
<https://web.archive.org/web/20240301170542/https://www.roadandtrack.com/car-culture/a46975496/behind-f1-velvet-curtain/>
I found it an enjoyable read.

So did I. Thanks.