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Ferrari at Baku (spoilers if not watched already)
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larkim
2019-04-28 20:42:08 UTC
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What could they realistically have done to improve Leclerc’s position?

Pitting early when he had his biggest lead would definitely mean 2 stops, and they needed to use the red tyre.

Leaving him out there to 1 stop despite the degradation was the only choice surely?

It felt like Webber (on the Ch4 coverage) was a little bit harsh, but perhaps I’ve missed something.
John
2019-04-28 21:06:01 UTC
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Ferrari are mostly interested in staying ahead of Red Bull, not trying to beat Merc. Just like the previous seasons.
a425couple
2019-04-28 22:41:54 UTC
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Post by larkim
What could they realistically have done to improve Leclerc’s position?
Pitting early when he had his biggest lead would definitely mean 2 stops, and they needed to use the red tyre.
Leaving him out there to 1 stop despite the degradation was the only choice surely?
Seems to me, the above is correct.
They just thought he would be able to go quicker
on the softer tires / red. Bummer.

And the VSC was unpredictable.
(And for what little my opinion is worth, unnecessary.
He was well off the track and behind a wall.)
Bigbird
2019-04-29 09:26:10 UTC
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Post by larkim
What could they realistically have done to improve Leclerc’s position?
Pitting early when he had his biggest lead would definitely mean 2
stops, and they needed to use the red tyre.
Leaving him out there to 1 stop despite the degradation was the only choice surely?
It felt like Webber (on the Ch4 coverage) was a little bit harsh, but
perhaps I’ve missed something.
Their strategy for him totally relied on a SC. I was up for them
pitting him before Bottas passed him, Lap31. He would have been 10 or
12 seconds behind Max. He would probably still have need a SC or VSC in
order to make the tyres last but there did appear to be more
opportunity. In the end I'm not sure he had the necessary pace on those
tyres anyway. (Incidentally, he lost a good 2 seconds the lap before
the VSC which was never explained.)

I think they may have sacrificed that opportunity to give Vettel a
chance of getting closer to the Mercs.
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larkim
2019-04-29 11:16:51 UTC
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Post by Bigbird
Post by larkim
What could they realistically have done to improve Leclerc’s position?
Pitting early when he had his biggest lead would definitely mean 2
stops, and they needed to use the red tyre.
Leaving him out there to 1 stop despite the degradation was the only choice surely?
It felt like Webber (on the Ch4 coverage) was a little bit harsh, but
perhaps I’ve missed something.
Their strategy for him totally relied on a SC. I was up for them
pitting him before Bottas passed him, Lap31. He would have been 10 or
12 seconds behind Max. He would probably still have need a SC or VSC in
order to make the tyres last but there did appear to be more
opportunity. In the end I'm not sure he had the necessary pace on those
tyres anyway. (Incidentally, he lost a good 2 seconds the lap before
the VSC which was never explained.)
I think they may have sacrificed that opportunity to give Vettel a
chance of getting closer to the Mercs.
--
The grand total as of Sunday: 4,913 false claims
Last week’s total: 31 false claims
That’s the 75th-worst week of his presidency out of 116 weeks so far.
Can any strategy be constructed that relies on a SC? You can have one which
benefits from a SC, and statistically you'd be a fool not to understand a SC
impact on your intended strategy at Baku, but isn't it a bit unfair to say
they relied on one? Isn't it fairer to say they gave him the best strategy
they could once he was starting on medium tyres?

You might be right about the slightly earlier pitstop, but he'd have still
had to make the softer tyre last a long way, even longer than he managed.

Track position is everything of course, but he'd have still been behind
Max, Seb, LH and VB.
Bigbird
2019-04-29 12:57:08 UTC
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Post by larkim
Post by Bigbird
Post by larkim
What could they realistically have done to improve Leclerc’s position?
Pitting early when he had his biggest lead would definitely mean 2
stops, and they needed to use the red tyre.
Leaving him out there to 1 stop despite the degradation was the only choice surely?
It felt like Webber (on the Ch4 coverage) was a little bit harsh,
but perhaps I’ve missed something.
Their strategy for him totally relied on a SC. I was up for them
pitting him before Bottas passed him, Lap31. He would have been 10
or 12 seconds behind Max. He would probably still have need a SC or
VSC in order to make the tyres last but there did appear to be more
opportunity. In the end I'm not sure he had the necessary pace on
those tyres anyway. (Incidentally, he lost a good 2 seconds the lap
before the VSC which was never explained.)
I think they may have sacrificed that opportunity to give Vettel a
chance of getting closer to the Mercs.
--
The grand total as of Sunday: 4,913 false claims
Last week’s total: 31 false claims
That’s the 75th-worst week of his presidency out of 116 weeks so far.
Can any strategy be constructed that relies on a SC? You can have
one which benefits from a SC, and statistically you'd be a fool not
to understand a SC impact on your intended strategy at Baku, but
isn't it a bit unfair to say they relied on one?
It seemed to be the only reason to leave him out while he was losing so
much time. Was there any more likely way for him to make up positions
once he was over 20 seconds adrift of the leading pack?

Any strategy depends on the variables one of which is the probability
of a SC. In Baku that is far from negligible.
Post by larkim
Isn't it fairer to
say they gave him the best strategy they could once he was starting
on medium tyres?
You might be right about the slightly earlier pitstop, but he'd have
still had to make the softer tyre last a long way, even longer than
he managed.
? What was wrong with his SS's other than him never showing any signs
of pace on the first set. AFAIK he only pitted again so as to have a go
at fastest lap... which he easily managed.
Post by larkim
Track position is everything of course, but he'd have still been
behind Max, Seb, LH and VB.
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Trump fact check:
The grand total as of Sunday: 4,913 false claims
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That’s the 75th-worst week of his presidency out of 116 weeks so far.
geoff
2019-04-30 00:02:03 UTC
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Post by Bigbird
The grand total as of Sunday: 4,913 false claims
Last week’s total: 31 false claims
That’s the 75th-worst week of his presidency out of 116 weeks so far.
BTW and OT. You need to update your sig above. Hit 10,000 yesterday.

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geoff
Bigbird
2019-04-30 06:17:41 UTC
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Post by Bigbird
The grand total as of Sunday: 4,913 false claims
Last week’s total: 31 false claims
That’s the 75th-worst week of his presidency out of 116 weeks so far.
BTW and OT. You need to update your sig above. Hit 10,000 yesterday.
http://tinyurl.com/y5wccmbj
:) Different methodology. Those include mere misrepresentations and
misleading claims as well as those which are demonstrably false.
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Trump fact check:
The grand total as of Sunday: 4,913 false claims
Last week’s total: 31 false claims
That’s the 75th-worst week of his presidency out of 116 weeks so far.
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