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End of era, RTL is dumping Formula One
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Ar
2020-06-21 10:19:16 UTC
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For those that watch German TV station RTL for live coverage of Formula
One races when Channel 4 doesn't show them live, 2020 will be the last
season you will do so. After 30 years, RTL is dumping Formula One. Well
done Chase, you think people will go to Pay TV, you're very wrong. It
didn't work in USA, it didn't work in the "home" of F1 UK.

RTL dumps F1 for football.

It's a shame, RTL's coverage is very good, like the latter year BBC and
start of F1 on Channel4.

https://www.translatetheweb.com/?ref=TVert&from=&to=en&a=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.rtl.de%2Fcms%2Frtl-steigt-aus-der-formel-1-aus-fokus-fussball-4564224.html

and

https://www.translatetheweb.com/?ref=TVert&from=&to=en&a=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.tagesspiegel.de%2Fsport%2Fformel-1-nicht-mehr-im-free-tv-rtl-steigt-aus-der-live-berichterstattung-aus%2F25936038.html
Yousuf Khan
2020-06-21 14:36:44 UTC
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Post by Ar
For those that watch German TV station RTL for live coverage of Formula
One races when Channel 4 doesn't show them live, 2020 will be the last
season you will do so. After 30 years, RTL is dumping Formula One. Well
done Chase, you think people will go to Pay TV, you're very wrong. It
didn't work in USA, it didn't work in the "home" of F1 UK.
F1TV, relatively inexpensive, and you only need to subscribe to it
during the F1 season and you can downgrade or park your subscription
otherwise.

Yousuf Khan
Ar
2020-06-22 20:00:34 UTC
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F1TV, relatively inexpensive, and you only need to subscribe to it
during the F1 season and you can downgrade or park your subscription
otherwise.
Nope, can't be done. It is 100% unavailable to the UK because Sky has
the EXCLUSIVE rights in the UK. that's why people watched RTL!!!

If people want ONLY Formula One, they do not want to spend ridiculous
extra money on dozens of extra TV channels they will never watch, just
to watch F1. Ofcom are crooks for not sorting it out.
Dex
2020-06-23 06:46:18 UTC
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Post by Ar
Post by Yousuf Khan
F1TV, relatively inexpensive, and you only need to subscribe to it
during the F1 season and you can downgrade or park your subscription
otherwise.
Nope, can't be done. It is 100% unavailable to the UK because Sky has
the EXCLUSIVE rights in the UK. that's why people watched RTL!!!
If people want ONLY Formula One, they do not want to spend ridiculous
extra money on dozens of extra TV channels they will never watch, just
to watch F1. Ofcom are crooks for not sorting it out.
Sky Sports F1 channel, £18 a month 31-day rolling contract. That's if
you have already have the £25 18 month minimum term Sky Signature
package to start with.

£43 a month to watch what would normally be 1 or 2 races? They can shove
it where the sun does not shine.
Calum
2020-06-23 19:16:48 UTC
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Post by Dex
Sky Sports F1 channel, £18 a month 31-day rolling contract. That's if
you have already have the £25 18 month minimum term Sky Signature
package to start with.
£43 a month to watch what would normally be 1 or 2 races? They can shove
it where the sun does not shine.
To be fair, if all you're interested in is the races, you can do it
cheaper than that. A NowTV sports pass costs €10 for 24 hours, and gives
you access to all of Sky's sports channels.
Alister
2020-06-23 22:47:18 UTC
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Post by Dex
Sky Sports F1 channel, £18 a month 31-day rolling contract. That's if
you have already have the £25 18 month minimum term Sky Signature
package to start with.
£43 a month to watch what would normally be 1 or 2 races? They can
shove it where the sun does not shine.
To be fair, if all you're interested in is the races, you can do it
cheaper than that. A NowTV sports pass costs €10 for 24 hours, and gives
you access to all of Sky's sports channels.
so £20 a month for just the race (assuming 1 race a fortnight) & no
access to practice or quali.
some new calculation of the word cheaper I was not previously aware of.

Factorials were someone's attempt to make math LOOK exciting.
Dex
2020-06-25 04:14:37 UTC
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Post by Alister
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Sky Sports F1 channel, £18 a month 31-day rolling contract. That's if
you have already have the £25 18 month minimum term Sky Signature
package to start with.
£43 a month to watch what would normally be 1 or 2 races? They can
shove it where the sun does not shine.
To be fair, if all you're interested in is the races, you can do it
cheaper than that. A NowTV sports pass costs €10 for 24 hours, and gives
you access to all of Sky's sports channels.
so £20 a month for just the race (assuming 1 race a fortnight) & no
access to practice or quali.
some new calculation of the word cheaper I was not previously aware of.
Factorials were someone's attempt to make math LOOK exciting.
3 races in July, 4 races in August this year... Ouch!
Alister
2020-06-26 08:04:13 UTC
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Sky Sports F1 channel, £18 a month 31-day rolling contract. That's if
you have already have the £25 18 month minimum term Sky Signature
package to start with.
£43 a month to watch what would normally be 1 or 2 races? They can
shove it where the sun does not shine.
To be fair, if all you're interested in is the races, you can do it
cheaper than that. A NowTV sports pass costs €10 for 24 hours, and
gives you access to all of Sky's sports channels.
so £20 a month for just the race (assuming 1 race a fortnight) & no
access to practice or quali.
some new calculation of the word cheaper I was not previously aware of.
Factorials were someone's attempt to make math LOOK exciting.
3 races in July, 4 races in August this year... Ouch!
so £30 & £40 a month for just the race - no Quali & no Practice
ouch indeed.

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2020-06-27 15:00:02 UTC
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i got my rtl dish in the days of itv showing f1 (to watch during the adbreaks and to get live canadian gp qualifying etc)

today i use it for "duo-vision" of the races (a sky red button driver view on a small tv and the main feed via rtl on a big tv - to watch more action and for when the main feed shows the crowd or some wife or super model in the pitlane etc)

an rtl dish picks up orf 1 but not orf 2 (which is the f1 channel in austria)
Geoff May
2020-06-21 20:57:02 UTC
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Post by Ar
For those that watch German TV station RTL for live coverage of Formula
One races when Channel 4 doesn't show them live, 2020 will be the last
season you will do so. After 30 years, RTL is dumping Formula One. Well
done Chase, you think people will go to Pay TV, you're very wrong. It
didn't work in USA, it didn't work in the "home" of F1 UK.
RTL dumps F1 for football.
It's a shame, RTL's coverage is very good, like the latter year BBC and
start of F1 on Channel4.
https://www.translatetheweb.com/?ref=TVert&from=&to=en&a=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.rtl.de%2Fcms%2Frtl-steigt-aus-der-formel-1-aus-fokus-fussball-4564224.html
and
https://www.translatetheweb.com/?ref=TVert&from=&to=en&a=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.tagesspiegel.de%2Fsport%2Fformel-1-nicht-mehr-im-free-tv-rtl-steigt-aus-der-live-berichterstattung-aus%2F25936038.html
You might want to see if you can get ORF1. That is the Austrian national
TV and I used to watch F1 races on ORF1 when I lived in Germany. Advert
free.

You may find that it will present you with an option to pay because you
are not in Austria and they don't like transmitting if you haven't paid
the licence (BBC would be the same if you are trying to view in Europe).
If there is a pay option, it will be considerably less than Sky F1.

Cheers

Geoff
larkim
2020-06-22 08:47:08 UTC
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It may finally be time to pull down the rusting sat dish on my house then. I will admit to freeloading by receiving the RTL broadcast, though if they are foolish enough to broadcast in a way which allows other nationalities to view then so be it. I guess the overall advertising revenue budget that they receive accommodates the fact that non-Germans watch the channel too.

Will have a play with alternative Austrian or Swiss channels, but I suspect I'm consigned to the bin of not being able to watch races live from next year.

Wonder how much Vettel's Ferrari departure had to do with RTL dropping it?
Sir Tim
2020-06-22 09:32:48 UTC
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Post by larkim
It may finally be time to pull down the rusting sat dish on my house
then. I will admit to freeloading by receiving the RTL broadcast, though
if they are foolish enough to broadcast in a way which allows other
nationalities to view then so be it. I guess the overall advertising
revenue budget that they receive accommodates the fact that non-Germans
watch the channel too.
Will have a play with alternative Austrian or Swiss channels, but I
suspect I'm consigned to the bin of not being able to watch races live from next year.
Wonder how much Vettel's Ferrari departure had to do with RTL dropping it?
I’ve never understood the lengths some “fans” will go to to avoid paying to
watch their favourite sport, nor why they should expect to get it for free.
--
Sir Tim
Dex
2020-06-22 17:06:36 UTC
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Post by larkim
It may finally be time to pull down the rusting sat dish on my house
then. I will admit to freeloading by receiving the RTL broadcast, though
if they are foolish enough to broadcast in a way which allows other
nationalities to view then so be it. I guess the overall advertising
revenue budget that they receive accommodates the fact that non-Germans
watch the channel too.
Will have a play with alternative Austrian or Swiss channels, but I
suspect I'm consigned to the bin of not being able to watch races live from next year.
Wonder how much Vettel's Ferrari departure had to do with RTL dropping it?
I’ve never understood the lengths some “fans” will go to to avoid paying to
watch their favourite sport, nor why they should expect to get it for free.
I'm not paying to watch adverts and endless repeats.
Ar
2020-06-22 20:05:33 UTC
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Post by Sir Tim
I’ve never understood the lengths some “fans” will go to to avoid paying to
watch their favourite sport, nor why they should expect to get it for free.
Don't talk crap.

1. Sky has EXCLUSIVE UK rights, so even FOM's F1TV is not available to
the UK.

2. Formula One is a giant roving advert, I'm not paying to see roving
adverts.

Bernie screwed Formula One with TV rights, and Chase is finishing it
off. At least Formula E will still be available to watch, you can even
see it live on Youtube or Periscope - officially, and for free....
unlike nickel and dime F1.
Bigbird
2020-06-23 20:09:05 UTC
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Post by Sir Tim
I’ve never understood the lengths some “fans” will go to to avoid
paying to watch their favourite sport, nor why they should expect to
get it for free.
While I agree with you that one can't expect to get it for free
anymore, as we have discussed many times there is a big gap between
free and the cost of getting Sky (over £500 a year) just to watch F1
and F2 so I am quite surprised at your continued dumbfoundment. :)

That is over six times as much as the yanks have to pay for F1TV Pro.

I'm sure many of the people you disparage would stump up $5 a weekend
for F1 even if some of them somewhat reluctantly.
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Geoff May
2020-06-23 20:54:24 UTC
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I’ve never understood the lengths some “fans” will go to to avoid
paying to watch their favourite sport, nor why they should expect to
get it for free.
While I agree with you that one can't expect to get it for free
anymore, as we have discussed many times there is a big gap between
free and the cost of getting Sky (over £500 a year) just to watch F1
and F2 so I am quite surprised at your continued dumbfoundment. :)
That is over six times as much as the yanks have to pay for F1TV Pro.
I'm sure many of the people you disparage would stump up $5 a weekend
for F1 even if some of them somewhat reluctantly.
I eventually broke down and took the Sky option but I was getting
inundated with calls from _Talk_ _Talk_ telling me that there was
suspicious activity from my PC and they had to look at it now. Talk Talk
wouldn't do anything about it so I decided it was time to change.

So far, I have been very happy with the broadband speed (need that now
that I'm working from home) and the additional programmes on the box are
interesting (the missus and I like nature or science stuff and there are
loads of them).

The only real complaint I have about Sky is that they dropped the option
to automatically change channels to something you want to watch but the
missus and I are getting used to that.

Of course, as soon as I change over to paying for F1, they stop the
sodding races ...

Cheers

Geoff
D Munz
2020-06-23 21:14:14 UTC
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On Tuesday, June 23, 2020 at 3:54:26 PM UTC-5, Geoff May wrote:
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Post by Geoff May
The only real complaint I have about Sky is that they dropped the option
to automatically change channels to something you want to watch but the
missus and I are getting used to that.
Of course, as soon as I change over to paying for F1, they stop the
sodding races ...
Cheers
Geoff
Wait, what?

Sky "knows" what you want to watch and automatically changes the channel? That could be very cool

or

incredibly awkward depending on what you like and with whom you are watching...

FWIW
DLM
Geoff May
2020-06-24 15:37:29 UTC
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Post by Geoff May
The only real complaint I have about Sky is that they dropped the option
to automatically change channels to something you want to watch but the
missus and I are getting used to that.
[snipped]
Wait, what?
Sky "knows" what you want to watch and automatically changes the channel? That could be very cool
or
incredibly awkward depending on what you like and with whom you are watching...
On the normal TV (outside Sky box), I can mark a programme and the TV
automatically changes to that programme when said programme starts. I've
had that option on the TV for over 10 years.

Cheers

Geoff
~misfit~
2020-06-25 00:29:08 UTC
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<snip>
Post by Geoff May
The only real complaint I have about Sky is that they dropped the option
to automatically change channels to something you want to watch but the
missus and I are getting used to that.
[snipped]
Wait, what?
Sky "knows" what you want to watch and automatically changes the channel? That could be very cool
or
incredibly awkward depending on what you like and with whom you are watching...
On the normal TV (outside Sky box), I can mark a programme and the TV automatically changes to that
programme when said programme starts. I've had that option on the TV for over 10 years.
You may have Geoff but I dare say that some of us haven't and don't have the wherewithal to ride
the crest of the 'newest tech' wave.

Interesting that what you call a 'normal TV' to me is a 'smart TV' (read - incorporates a computer,
OS and probably wi-fi) and still not affordable. Heck I feel lucky that I have a TV that I can plug
in a USB drive to watch programmes off. It was a not insignificant purchase for me x years ago.
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Geoff May
2020-06-25 15:56:44 UTC
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Post by Geoff May
[snipped]
On the normal TV (outside Sky box), I can mark a programme and the TV
automatically changes to that programme when said programme starts.
I've had that option on the TV for over 10 years.
You may have Geoff but I dare say that some of us haven't and don't have
the wherewithal to ride the crest of the 'newest tech' wave.
Interesting that what you call a 'normal TV' to me is a 'smart TV' (read
- incorporates a computer, OS and probably wi-fi) and still not
affordable. Heck I feel lucky that I have a TV that I can plug in a USB
drive to watch programmes off. It was a not insignificant purchase for
me x years ago.
Compared to all my work-mates, I was the last one to move to "smart TV".
Mainly because I believe in "if it works, don't change it".

Cheers

Geoff
~misfit~
2020-06-26 01:25:22 UTC
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Post by Geoff May
[snipped]
On the normal TV (outside Sky box), I can mark a programme and the TV automatically changes to
that programme when said programme starts. I've had that option on the TV for over 10 years.
You may have Geoff but I dare say that some of us haven't and don't have the wherewithal to ride
the crest of the 'newest tech' wave.
Interesting that what you call a 'normal TV' to me is a 'smart TV' (read - incorporates a
computer, OS and probably wi-fi) and still not affordable. Heck I feel lucky that I have a TV
that I can plug in a USB drive to watch programmes off. It was a not insignificant purchase for
me x years ago.
Compared to all my work-mates, I was the last one to move to "smart TV". Mainly because I believe
in "if it works, don't change it".
Yeah, different people in different circumstances and running in different circles.

I think that you're probably right, your TV is a 'normal' one. Mine is a relic. However it's a 32"
Samsung (UA32D5000PM), LED-backlit with a nice high-contrast 100 Hz FHD panel and I see no reason
to replace it. I got it discounted about 7 years ago as smart TVs were becoming mainstream at the time.

(A quick Google finds a listing for it even now
<https://www.graysonline.com/auctionproduct/samsungua3-442169436/audio-tv-and-home-theatre/samsung-series-5-32-inch-ua32d5000-led-tv-rrp-849>
)

Sure it'd be nice to have more features and a built-in PVR - maybe even a bigger screen as my eyes
aren't what they used to be - but other things have prior claim to my meager funds. Also I prefer
to buy reasonable quality and have it last as long as possible rather than to excessively
contribute to the cult of landfill.

Cheers,
--
Shaun.

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in the DSM"
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2020-06-29 02:58:55 UTC
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Mine is a relic. However it's a 32"
Samsung (UA32D5000PM), LED-backlit with a nice high-contrast 100 Hz FHD panel
Cheers,
--
Shaun.
"Humans will have advanced a long, long way when religious belief has a cozy little classification
in the DSM"
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blow me
larkim
2020-06-29 12:02:09 UTC
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Post by larkim
It may finally be time to pull down the rusting sat dish on my house
then. I will admit to freeloading by receiving the RTL broadcast, though
if they are foolish enough to broadcast in a way which allows other
nationalities to view then so be it. I guess the overall advertising
revenue budget that they receive accommodates the fact that non-Germans
watch the channel too.
Will have a play with alternative Austrian or Swiss channels, but I
suspect I'm consigned to the bin of not being able to watch races live from next year.
Wonder how much Vettel's Ferrari departure had to do with RTL dropping it?
I’ve never understood the lengths some “fans” will go to to avoid paying to
watch their favourite sport, nor why they should expect to get it for free.
--
Sir Tim
Paying £25 and putting up a dish isn't really a "length" to have gone to.

I don't expect to get it for free, but whilst I could (legally), why
wouldn't I?

Plus I've then also had a range of other European broadcasts that I've
actually watched; though admittedly much less now.

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