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larkim
2018-09-11 09:08:47 UTC
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I sort of assumed Kimi would retire when he left Ferrari, so this
has surprised me.
M2T
2018-09-11 09:19:29 UTC
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I sort of assumed Kimi would retire when he left Ferrari, so this
has surprised me.
That's Ocon fucked
larkim
2018-09-11 10:10:43 UTC
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I sort of assumed Kimi would retire when he left Ferrari, so this
has surprised me.
That's Ocon fucked
I've lost track of where the vacancies currently are. Crash.net has this:-
https://www.crash.net/f1/feature/901459/1/f1-2019-driver-lineup-so-far
Mercedes:
Lewis Hamilton (End of 2020)
Valtteri Bottas (End of 2019, option for 2020)

Ferrari:
Sebastian Vettel (End of 2020)
Charles Leclerc (End of 2019)

Red Bull:
Max Verstappen (End of 2020)
Pierre Gasly (End of 2019)

Force India:
TBC
TBC (Possible: Esteban Ocon, Sergio Perez, Lance Stroll, George Russell)

Williams:
TBC
TBC (Possible: Sergey Sirotkin, Lance Stroll, George Russell, Esteban Ocon)

Renault:
Nico Hulkenberg (End of 2019)
Daniel Ricciardo (End of 2020)

Toro Rosso:
TBC
TBC (Possible: Brendon Hartley, Daniil Kvyat)

Haas:
TBC
TBC (Possible: Kevin Magnussen, Romain Grosjean, Sergio Perez)

McLaren:
Carlos Sainz Jr (End of 2020)
Lando Norris (End of 2020)

Alfa Romeo Sauber:
Kimi Raikkonen (End of 2020)
TBC (Possible: Marcus Ericsson, Antonio Giovinazzi)

Plenty still to be confirmed, though of course some will be more static
than that list implies I think.
M2T
2018-09-11 10:27:55 UTC
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I sort of assumed Kimi would retire when he left Ferrari, so this
has surprised me.
That's Ocon fucked
I've lost track of where the vacancies currently are. Crash.net has this:-
https://www.crash.net/f1/feature/901459/1/f1-2019-driver-lineup-so-far
Plenty still to be confirmed, though of course some will be more static
than that list implies I think.
Ocon's only chance will be at Williams, but I expect Mercedes will have
to put up some dosh or discounts. I can't understand Tonto, how does he
expect to run a Mercedes Junior Drivers scheme without a team prepared
to take them? Both of his recent junior drivers have been shafted. RB
and Ferrari have 2nd and even 3rd teams, Mercedes have tied themselves
to a couple of teams that have long term money issues. Tonto should buy
Williams and clear out the top management and useless
designers/engineers, like Paddy Banana Skin Lowe.
Sir Tim
2018-09-11 13:06:42 UTC
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I sort of assumed Kimi would retire when he left Ferrari, so this
has surprised me.
That's Ocon fucked
Yep. I suppose you can’t blame Kimi, he loves racing and has the
opportunity to go on doing it but it’s a shame that a real talent like Ocon
is likely to be without a drive when guys like Ericsson and Stroll are
still around. The way of the world I suppose.
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2018-09-12 06:52:48 UTC
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I sort of assumed Kimi would retire when he left Ferrari, so this
has surprised me.
That's Ocon fucked
Yep. I suppose you can't blame Kimi, he loves racing and has the
opportunity to go on doing it but it's a shame that a real talent
like Ocon is likely to be without a drive when guys like Ericsson and
Stroll are still around. The way of the world I suppose.
Kimi will likely partner Giovanazzi (sp?) so it's great for Sauber to have
experience in their team.
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"Humans will have advanced a long, long way when religious belief has a cozy
little classification in the DSM*."
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(*Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders)
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2018-09-12 00:20:22 UTC
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That's Ocon fucked
Not as fucked as your existence.
D Munz
2018-09-11 10:11:17 UTC
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I sort of assumed Kimi would retire when he left Ferrari, so this
has surprised me.
Yeah, it is interesting. There are also reports that Kimi will take (or be given?) an ownership position in the team. I find that odd as he hates all the out of the car stuff in F1.

We will see what really happens next year and, I suspect, the rest of this year will be interesting from from an intra-team prospective. By that I mean, is the Sauber deal in place as a carrot to keep him under control?

FWIW
DLM
M2T
2018-09-11 10:36:25 UTC
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I sort of assumed Kimi would retire when he left Ferrari, so this
has surprised me.
Yeah, it is interesting. There are also reports that Kimi will take (or be given?) an ownership position in the team. I find that odd as he hates all the out of the car stuff in F1.
We will see what really happens next year and, I suspect, the rest of this year will be interesting from from an intra-team prospective. By that I mean, is the Sauber deal in place as a carrot to keep him under control?
Ferrari don't own Sauber. The owner is a weird Swedish billionaire who
bought the team as a plaything. He's probably looking to get out and
has come to some arrangement with Kimi to cut down on his liabilities.

It's a bit of an eye opener to see Kimi happy to stay in F1, because he
enjoys the racing, knowing he won't be at the sharp end of racing again.
Then we have Fred, running away because he's not being allowed to win.
Perhaps we'll see Kimi chasing the "who gives a shit" Triple Crown
when he's finally out of F1.
News
2018-09-11 11:10:24 UTC
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I sort of assumed Kimi would retire when he left Ferrari, so this
has surprised me.
Yeah, it is interesting.  There are also reports that Kimi will take
(or be given?) an ownership position in the team.  I find that odd as
he hates all the out of the car stuff in F1.
We will see what really happens next year and, I suspect, the rest of
this year will be interesting from from an intra-team prospective.  By
that I mean, is the Sauber deal in place as a carrot to keep him under
control?
Ferrari don't own Sauber.  The owner is a weird Swedish billionaire who
bought the team as a plaything.  He's probably looking to get out and
has come to some arrangement with Kimi to cut down on his liabilities.
It's a bit of an eye opener to see Kimi happy to stay in F1, because he
enjoys the racing, knowing he won't be at the sharp end of racing again.
 Then we have Fred, running away because he's not being allowed to win.
 Perhaps we'll see Kimi chasing the "who gives a shit" Triple Crown
when he's finally out of F1.
Let Kimi alone. He knows what he's dong.
D Munz
2018-09-11 12:12:49 UTC
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Let Kimi alone. He knows what he's dong.
Ok, I wish I'd thought of that!

Well played.

FWIW
DLM
M2T
2018-09-11 14:06:43 UTC
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Let Kimi alone. He knows what he's dong.
You calling Kimi a wanker ?
News
2018-09-11 19:59:44 UTC
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Let Kimi alone. He knows what he's dong.
You calling Kimi a wanker ?
LOL. Typo. He knows what he's doing.
D Munz
2018-09-11 12:14:58 UTC
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I sort of assumed Kimi would retire when he left Ferrari, so this
has surprised me.
Yeah, it is interesting. There are also reports that Kimi will take (or be given?) an ownership position in the team. I find that odd as he hates all the out of the car stuff in F1.
We will see what really happens next year and, I suspect, the rest of this year will be interesting from from an intra-team prospective. By that I mean, is the Sauber deal in place as a carrot to keep him under control?
Ferrari don't own Sauber. The owner is a weird Swedish billionaire who
bought the team as a plaything. He's probably looking to get out and
has come to some arrangement with Kimi to cut down on his liabilities.
It's a bit of an eye opener to see Kimi happy to stay in F1, because he
enjoys the racing, knowing he won't be at the sharp end of racing again.
Then we have Fred, running away because he's not being allowed to win.
Perhaps we'll see Kimi chasing the "who gives a shit" Triple Crown
when he's finally out of F1.
I have to admit that I have not paid attention to Sauber this year. How is the car? (I guess we know it's good in the barrel roll event...)

They should be getting the full Ferrari engine package so that might be a plus. Could this be another Lotus for Kimi?

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DLM
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2018-09-12 00:23:02 UTC
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The owner is a weird Swedish billionaire
Yes, he should have taken your dull path.
t***@gmail.com
2018-09-12 00:25:15 UTC
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Then we have Fred
We? Keep your sick and twisted obsessions
to yourself. Fucking idiot.
build
2018-09-16 11:09:19 UTC
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I sort of assumed Kimi would retire when he left Ferrari, so this
has surprised me.
Yeah, it is interesting. There are also reports that Kimi will take
(or be given?) an ownership position in the team.
Kimi is a very experienced team owner.
Post by D Munz
I find that odd as he hates all the out of the car stuff in F1.
That's clearly wrong. How do know ?
Kimi does not tolerate fools or the media.
Post by D Munz
We will see what really happens next year and, I suspect, the rest of this year will be interesting from from an intra-team prospective. By that I mean, is the Sauber deal in place as a carrot to keep him under control?
FWIW
DLM
build
D Munz
2018-09-17 12:28:27 UTC
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I find that odd as he hates all the out of the car stuff in F1.
That's clearly wrong. How do know ?
Kimi does not tolerate fools or the media.
How do I know? He's said it over and over. He likes the driving, period. The rest he does because it is required of him.

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DLM
build
2018-09-19 06:43:59 UTC
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I find that odd as he hates all the out of the car stuff in F1.
That's clearly wrong. How do know ?
Kimi does not tolerate fools or the media.
How do I know? He's said it over and over. He likes the driving, period. The rest he does because it is required of him.
FWIW
DLM
When? Where? I do not recall him ever saying that.

jtees4
2018-09-13 14:46:51 UTC
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I sort of assumed Kimi would retire when he left Ferrari, so this
has surprised me.
I am surprised for a change. Deep down, I'm glad Kimi is not retiring.
larkim
2018-09-14 07:35:01 UTC
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He's getting a bit of flak for clinging onto a seat and preventing new blood coming through. My view, that's not his concern, of a team wants to offer a place then it's their decision rather than his which is open to criticism.
Sir Tim
2018-09-14 08:23:06 UTC
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He's getting a bit of flak for clinging onto a seat and preventing new
blood coming through. My view, that's not his concern, of a team wants to
offer a place then it's their decision rather than his which is open to criticism.
I’ve always been big fan of Kimi’s but I find his relentlessly downbeat
attitude towards the media beginning to wear a bit thin. I think he should
retire and make way for one of the coming men but, as you say, if a team
wants him and he is prepared to mooch around mid field playing Peter Pan
then so be it.
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Sir Tim
M2T
2018-09-14 09:40:50 UTC
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He's getting a bit of flak for clinging onto a seat and preventing new
blood coming through. My view, that's not his concern, of a team wants to
offer a place then it's their decision rather than his which is open to criticism.
I’ve always been big fan of Kimi’s but I find his relentlessly downbeat
attitude towards the media beginning to wear a bit thin. I think he should
retire and make way for one of the coming men but, as you say, if a team
wants him and he is prepared to mooch around mid field playing Peter Pan
then so be it.
What coming men? All we seen recently is a long line of drivers who've
made up for lack of ability with a huge cheque book. Genuine top level
racers only arrive every couple of years. Most newcomers only last a
year or two before being found out. Who remembers Boy Palmer, the
majority of RB juniors?
Sir Tim
2018-09-14 16:21:01 UTC
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Post by larkim
He's getting a bit of flak for clinging onto a seat and preventing new
blood coming through. My view, that's not his concern, of a team wants to
offer a place then it's their decision rather than his which is open to criticism.
I’ve always been big fan of Kimi’s but I find his relentlessly downbeat
attitude towards the media beginning to wear a bit thin. I think he should
retire and make way for one of the coming men but, as you say, if a team
wants him and he is prepared to mooch around mid field playing Peter Pan
then so be it.
What coming men?
Ocon, Russell, Giovinazzi, Markelov
Post by M2T
All we seen recently is a long line of drivers who've
made up for lack of ability with a huge cheque book.
I agree that I’d much rather watch Kimi than Stroll or Ericsson, but it
will be sad to see him amongst the also-rans.
Post by M2T
Genuine top level
racers only arrive every couple of years.
Men of the calibre of Hamilton or Verstappen maybe but we won’t know about
others until they have tried. No one thought much of Kimi when he first
started, in fact Max (Mosley) was against giving him a super licence.
Post by M2T
Most newcomers only last a
year or two before being found out. Who remembers Boy Palmer, the
majority of RB juniors?
--
Sir Tim
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2018-09-15 06:53:07 UTC
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He's getting a bit of flak for clinging onto a seat and preventing new
blood coming through. My view, that's not his concern, of a team wants to
offer a place then it's their decision rather than his which is open to criticism.
I've always been big fan of Kimi's but I find his relentlessly
downbeat attitude towards the media beginning to wear a bit thin. I
think he should retire and make way for one of the coming men but,
as you say, if a team wants him and he is prepared to mooch around
mid field playing Peter Pan then so be it.
What coming men?
Ocon, Russell, Giovinazzi, Markelov
Agree on the first two but Markelov isn't all that. He's the only Russian
driver to race for "Russian Time" TTBOMK (which makes me wonder...).

For two years in GP2 he had Mitch Evans as a team-mate.
2015 Mitch 174 Artem 6. (Yes Artem ran a full season)
2016 Mitch 135 Artem 48.

Mitch didn't have any money and couldn't get into F1 (Russian Time used him
for his car set-up skills) - what makes Artem better qualified? He's 24
years old, the same age as Mitch. It's not like he's a teeanger just finding
his feet.
--
Shaun.

"Humans will have advanced a long, long way when religious belief has a cozy
little classification in the DSM*."
David Melville (in r.a.s.f1)
(*Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders)
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Post by M2T
All we seen recently is a long line of drivers who've
made up for lack of ability with a huge cheque book.
I agree that I'd much rather watch Kimi than Stroll or Ericsson, but
it will be sad to see him amongst the also-rans.
Post by M2T
Genuine top level
racers only arrive every couple of years.
Men of the calibre of Hamilton or Verstappen maybe but we won't know
about others until they have tried. No one thought much of Kimi when
he first started, in fact Max (Mosley) was against giving him a super
licence.
Post by M2T
Most newcomers only last a
year or two before being found out. Who remembers Boy Palmer, the
majority of RB juniors?
Sir Tim
2018-09-15 08:10:15 UTC
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He's getting a bit of flak for clinging onto a seat and preventing new
blood coming through. My view, that's not his concern, of a team wants to
offer a place then it's their decision rather than his which is open to criticism.
I've always been big fan of Kimi's but I find his relentlessly
downbeat attitude towards the media beginning to wear a bit thin. I
think he should retire and make way for one of the coming men but,
as you say, if a team wants him and he is prepared to mooch around
mid field playing Peter Pan then so be it.
What coming men?
Ocon, Russell, Giovinazzi, Markelov
Agree on the first two but Markelov isn't all that. He's the only Russian
driver to race for "Russian Time" TTBOMK (which makes me wonder...).
For two years in GP2 he had Mitch Evans as a team-mate.
2015 Mitch 174 Artem 6. (Yes Artem ran a full season)
2016 Mitch 135 Artem 48.
Mitch didn't have any money and couldn't get into F1 (Russian Time used him
for his car set-up skills) - what makes Artem better qualified? He's 24
years old, the same age as Mitch. It's not like he's a teeanger just finding
his feet.
I was trying to refute M2T’s implication that there aren’t any young
drivers of obvious talent and named the first four who came to mind. Maybe
Markelov was a bad example (the guys on Sky had been talking about him
during FP2).

Mitch Evans is clearly a very talented driver but I guess his move to
Formula E sounded the death knell to any F1 aspirations he might have had
:-(
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Sir Tim
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2018-09-16 01:22:23 UTC
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He's getting a bit of flak for clinging onto a seat and
preventing new
blood coming through. My view, that's not his concern, of a team wants to
offer a place then it's their decision rather than his which is
open to criticism.
I've always been big fan of Kimi's but I find his relentlessly
downbeat attitude towards the media beginning to wear a bit thin.
I think he should retire and make way for one of the coming men
but, as you say, if a team wants him and he is prepared to mooch
around mid field playing Peter Pan then so be it.
What coming men?
Ocon, Russell, Giovinazzi, Markelov
Agree on the first two but Markelov isn't all that. He's the only
Russian driver to race for "Russian Time" TTBOMK (which makes me
wonder...).
For two years in GP2 he had Mitch Evans as a team-mate.
2015 Mitch 174 Artem 6. (Yes Artem ran a full season)
2016 Mitch 135 Artem 48.
Mitch didn't have any money and couldn't get into F1 (Russian Time
used him for his car set-up skills) - what makes Artem better
qualified? He's 24 years old, the same age as Mitch. It's not like
he's a teeanger just finding his feet.
I was trying to refute M2T's implication that there aren't any young
drivers of obvious talent and named the first four who came to mind.
Maybe Markelov was a bad example (the guys on Sky had been talking
about him during FP2).
Ahh ok. Fresh in mind then. Fair enough.
Mitch Evans is clearly a very talented driver but I guess his move to
Formula E sounded the death knell to any F1 aspirations he might have
had :-(
That bell had rung before his move to Formula E, the move was in response to
the fact that he couldn't get an F1 seat without many more millions (even
with support from Mark Webber and medium-level backing from NZ motorsport
'angel' Colin Giltrap).

Mitch tried to keep his F1 dream alive but finally accepted financial
reality and joined Formula E and the two guys who finished second and third
to him in his championship-winning GP3 year.

Mitch remains the youngest person to ever win an international Grand Prix
(at age 16).
--
Shaun.

"Humans will have advanced a long, long way when religious belief has a cozy
little classification in the DSM*."
David Melville (in r.a.s.f1)
(*Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders)
build
2018-09-16 11:12:53 UTC
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He's getting a bit of flak for clinging onto a seat and preventing new
blood coming through. My view, that's not his concern, of a team wants to
offer a place then it's their decision rather than his which is open to criticism.
I’ve always been big fan of Kimi’s but I find his relentlessly downbeat
attitude towards the media beginning to wear a bit thin. I think he should
retire and make way for one of the coming men but, as you say, if a team
wants him and he is prepared to mooch around mid field playing Peter Pan
then so be it.
What coming men?
Ocon, Russell, Giovinazzi, Markelov
Post by M2T
All we seen recently is a long line of drivers who've
made up for lack of ability with a huge cheque book.
I agree that I’d much rather watch Kimi than Stroll or Ericsson, but it
will be sad to see him amongst the also-rans.
Perhaps if you watched Stroll you might not type with such a broad brush.
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Post by M2T
Genuine top level
racers only arrive every couple of years.
Men of the calibre of Hamilton or Verstappen maybe but we won’t know about
others until they have tried. No one thought much of Kimi when he first
started, in fact Max (Mosley) was against giving him a super licence.
Post by M2T
Most newcomers only last a
year or two before being found out. Who remembers Boy Palmer, the
majority of RB juniors?
--
Sir Tim
Sir Tim
2018-09-16 15:43:45 UTC
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Perhaps if you watched Stroll you might not type with such a broad brush.
A classic mixed metaphor :-)
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Sir Tim
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2018-09-14 11:44:08 UTC
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He's getting a bit of flak for clinging onto a seat and preventing
new blood coming through. My view, that's not his concern, of a team
wants to offer a place then it's their decision rather than his which
is open to criticism.
That's a specious argument if there ever was one - at least Kimi is good to
watch. Unlike Stroll. Drivers with talent are always better to watch than
drivers with money.
--
Shaun.

"Humans will have advanced a long, long way when religious belief has a cozy
little classification in the DSM*."
David Melville (in r.a.s.f1)
(*Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders)
M2T
2018-09-14 12:19:58 UTC
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He's getting a bit of flak for clinging onto a seat and preventing
new blood coming through. My view, that's not his concern, of a team
wants to offer a place then it's their decision rather than his which
is open to criticism.
That's a specious argument if there ever was one - at least Kimi is good to
watch. Unlike Stroll. Drivers with talent are always better to watch than
drivers with money.
Stroll will never be a winner, all the time he's got a hole in his arse.
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2018-09-15 00:10:03 UTC
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Stroll will never be a winner, all the time he's got a hole in his arse.
Oh poor your. Get a fucking job.
Useless piece of shit.
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2018-09-15 00:12:41 UTC
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all the time he's got a hole in his arse.
You got yours stitched up?
Weirdo fag.
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