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Lewis Hamilton has gone all woke!
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Nomen Nescio
2020-06-09 10:41:31 UTC
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He wants people to tear down statues of white heroes
with links to slavery....
geoff
2020-06-09 23:13:19 UTC
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He wants people to tear down statues of white heroes
with links to slavery....
Sounds a good idea. 'All slavers' would be even better.

geoff
~misfit~
2020-06-10 02:09:15 UTC
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He wants people to tear down statues of white heroes
with links to slavery....
I can see why that would concern a racist who posts 'anonymously' to usenet. Where will the whole
BLM thing end? Will they track down people who post hate speech on teh intarwebz?
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Bigbird
2020-06-10 07:33:20 UTC
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I can see why that would concern a racist who posts 'anonymously' to
usenet.
So you identified the infantile troll but bit anyway. Just dump it in
your Bozo bin with TAG and forget it exists.
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~misfit~
2020-06-10 10:42:47 UTC
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I can see why that would concern a racist who posts 'anonymously' to
usenet.
So you identified the infantile troll but bit anyway. Just dump it in
your Bozo bin with TAG and forget it exists.
It was a slow day...

I hope you're well.
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2020-06-16 22:56:54 UTC
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I can see why that would concern a racist who posts 'anonymously' to
usenet.
So you identified the infantile troll but bit anyway. Just dump it in
your Bozo bin with TAG and forget it exists.
It was a slow day...
I hope you're well.
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Shaun.
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in the DSM"
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No. There is something wrong with him.

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2020-06-10 02:10:49 UTC
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He wants people to tear down statues of white heroes
with links to slavery....
Dammit didn't notice the xpost to a NASCAR group with my previous reply until it was 'sending'!
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Yousuf Khan
2020-06-10 23:07:26 UTC
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He wants people to tear down statues of white heroes
with links to slavery....
Good, so what's wrong with that?

Yousuf Khan
Edmund
2020-06-11 06:47:34 UTC
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Post by Nomen Nescio
He wants people to tear down statues of white heroes
with links to slavery....
Good, so what's wrong with that?
Nothing, always a good idea trying to erase and change the history :-)
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Edmund
AnthonyL
2020-06-11 12:28:51 UTC
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Post by Yousuf Khan
Post by Nomen Nescio
He wants people to tear down statues of white heroes
with links to slavery....
Good, so what's wrong with that?
Nothing, always a good idea trying to erase and change the history :-)
Want to throw a cat amongst the pigeons? Muhammed was a slave trader.
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Dex
2020-06-12 04:48:13 UTC
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Post by Edmund
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Post by Nomen Nescio
He wants people to tear down statues of white heroes
with links to slavery....
Good, so what's wrong with that?
Nothing, always a good idea trying to erase and change the history :-)
So the toppling of the statue of Stalin in Hungry or Saddam in Iraq
somehow re-wrote history?

Historians shouldn't rely on what the plinth says for their books. :)
Edmund
2020-06-12 08:14:34 UTC
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Post by Edmund
Post by Yousuf Khan
Post by Nomen Nescio
He wants people to tear down statues of white heroes
with links to slavery....
Good, so what's wrong with that?
Nothing, always a good idea trying to erase and change the history :-)
So the toppling of the statue of Stalin in Hungry or Saddam in Iraq
somehow re-wrote history?
Historians shouldn't rely on what the plinth says for their books. :)
Well I see your point I do however think this whole hype is going way
over the top.
Here on TV there was another black man whining about slavery and they
did some
research,guess what, his ancestors belonged to a tribe that enslaved
other blacks and sold them. Hilarious!
Where do you want to draw the line, by women, because Eve eat the apple?

Edmund
geoff
2020-06-12 12:08:09 UTC
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Post by Edmund
Post by Yousuf Khan
Post by Nomen Nescio
He wants people to tear down statues of white heroes
with links to slavery....
Good, so what's wrong with that?
Nothing, always a good idea trying to erase and change the history :-)
So the toppling of the statue of Stalin in Hungry or Saddam in Iraq
somehow re-wrote history?
Historians shouldn't rely on what the plinth says for their books. :)
Well I see your point I do however think this whole hype is going way
over the top.
Here on TV there was another black man whining about slavery and they
did some
research,guess what, his ancestors  belonged to a tribe that enslaved
other blacks and sold them. Hilarious!
Where do you want to draw the line, by women, because Eve eat the apple?
Edmund
Maybe start erecting Hitler statues then ?

geoff
Bob Latham
2020-06-12 13:52:22 UTC
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Post by Edmund
Post by Dex
Post by Edmund
Post by Yousuf Khan
Post by Nomen Nescio
He wants people to tear down statues of white heroes
with links to slavery....
Good, so what's wrong with that?
Nothing, always a good idea trying to erase and change the history :-)
So the toppling of the statue of Stalin in Hungry or Saddam in
Iraq somehow re-wrote history?
Indeed not but in those cases they were a people suddenly freed from
tyranny and taking revenge on their oppressors. No one is oppressed
in the UK and all UK connections with slavery were killed in 1833.

What we've had over the last few days is rent-a-mob taking advantage
of trouble in another continent to kick off here without the
slightest justification.

The only racial discrimination I am aware of is the BBC advertising
jobs for none whites and various people telling us how much they hate
white people.
Post by geoff
Post by Edmund
Well I see your point I do however think this whole hype is going
way over the top. Here on TV there was another black man whining
about slavery and they did some research,guess what, his
ancestors belonged to a tribe that enslaved other blacks and
sold them. Hilarious! Where do you want to draw the line, by
women, because Eve eat the apple?
Exactly.
Post by geoff
Maybe start erecting Hitler statues then ?
Can't see that being popular, I wouldn't vote for it but provided all
UK citizens got a say in in it and it wasn't done by a bunch of out
of control yobs, fine.

Bob.
Bigbird
2020-06-12 16:37:12 UTC
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Post by Edmund
Post by Yousuf Khan
Post by Nomen Nescio
He wants people to tear down statues of white heroes
with links to slavery....
Good, so what's wrong with that?
Nothing, always a good idea trying to erase and change the
history :-)
Post by Edmund
Post by Dex
So the toppling of the statue of Stalin in Hungry or Saddam in
Iraq somehow re-wrote history?
Indeed not but in those cases they were a people suddenly freed from
tyranny and taking revenge on their oppressors. No one is oppressed
in the UK and all UK connections with slavery were killed in 1833.
Seems the people throwing statues of slavers into the harbour disagree.
Post by Bob Latham
What we've had over the last few days is rent-a-mob taking advantage
of trouble in another continent to kick off here without the
slightest justification.
So who do you think is behind funding them?

I assumed they were just a bunch of hooligans.
Post by Bob Latham
The only racial discrimination I am aware of is the BBC advertising
jobs for none whites and various people telling us how much they hate
white people.
Well that is problematic. Does you saying you don't see discrimination
against minorities indicates that you are blind to it, oblivious or
that it doesn't exist?

Hint: it does exist.
Post by Bob Latham
Post by Edmund
Well I see your point I do however think this whole hype is going
Post by Edmund
way over the top. Here on TV there was another black man whining
about slavery and they did some research,guess what, his
ancestors belonged to a tribe that enslaved other blacks and
sold them. Hilarious! Where do you want to draw the line, by
women, because Eve eat the apple?
Exactly.
Exactly? Really?

So what "exactly" is your heritage?

Clearly not white privileged because that would be far to stereotypical.
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Bob Latham
2020-06-12 18:22:18 UTC
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Post by Bob Latham
Post by Edmund
Post by Edmund
Post by Dex
Post by Edmund
Post by Yousuf Khan
Post by Nomen Nescio
He wants people to tear down statues of white heroes
with links to slavery....
Good, so what's wrong with that?
Nothing, always a good idea trying to erase and change the
history :-)
Post by Edmund
Post by Dex
So the toppling of the statue of Stalin in Hungry or Saddam in
Iraq somehow re-wrote history?
Indeed not but in those cases they were a people suddenly freed
from tyranny and taking revenge on their oppressors. No one is
oppressed in the UK and all UK connections with slavery were
killed in 1833.
Seems the people throwing statues of slavers into the harbour
disagree.
well I'll agree they're all wound up but no-one in the UK is affected
by slavery it ended in 1833. It's just an excuse to kick off that's
all.
Post by Bigbird
Post by Bob Latham
What we've had over the last few days is rent-a-mob taking
advantage of trouble in another continent to kick off here
without the slightest justification.
So who do you think is behind funding them?
Well there are some rumours but I don't know anything concrete.
Post by Bigbird
I assumed they were just a bunch of hooligans.
Mostly indeed yes, I agree.
Post by Bigbird
Post by Bob Latham
The only racial discrimination I am aware of is the BBC
advertising jobs for none whites and various people telling us
how much they hate white people.
Well that is problematic. Does you saying you don't see
discrimination against minorities indicates that you are blind to
it, oblivious or that it doesn't exist?
None of those. I have not seen it since school days. I have worked
with black and asian all my working life, never saw a problem.
Post by Bigbird
Hint: it does exist.
Does it, sorry to hear that, where's that then?
Post by Bigbird
Post by Bob Latham
Post by Edmund
Well I see your point I do however think this whole hype is going
Post by Edmund
way over the top. Here on TV there was another black man
whining about slavery and they did some research,guess what,
his ancestors belonged to a tribe that enslaved other blacks
and sold them. Hilarious! Where do you want to draw the line,
by women, because Eve eat the apple?
Exactly.
Exactly? Really?
Oh come on this whole thing is madness. There's a black lady in New
York yesterday saying how it will be wonderful when NY is free of the
police. What sort of idiot do you have to be to want to get rid of
the police? It would be a blood bath.

If the UK police were banished the very first thing I would do is
obtain firearms to protect my self and my family.
Post by Bigbird
So what "exactly" is your heritage?
Clearly not white privileged because that would be far to
stereotypical.
Yes, I'm white and proud and I've not harmed or damaged any person
from another race or culture. Where exactly is my white privilege? I
was lucky enough to be born into a civilised UK, that's it.

I went to school, I got a job, I worked hard all my life to provide
food and shelter. I retired.

Plenty of black and asian people I know have done better than me but
I don't resent that but I resent the idea that I'm privileged.

Bob.
Alan Baker
2020-06-12 18:43:59 UTC
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Post by Bigbird
Post by Bob Latham
Post by Edmund
Post by Edmund
Post by Dex
Post by Edmund
Post by Yousuf Khan
Post by Nomen Nescio
He wants people to tear down statues of white heroes
with links to slavery....
Good, so what's wrong with that?
Nothing, always a good idea trying to erase and change the
history :-)
Post by Edmund
Post by Dex
So the toppling of the statue of Stalin in Hungry or Saddam in
Iraq somehow re-wrote history?
Indeed not but in those cases they were a people suddenly freed
from tyranny and taking revenge on their oppressors. No one is
oppressed in the UK and all UK connections with slavery were
killed in 1833.
Seems the people throwing statues of slavers into the harbour
disagree.
well I'll agree they're all wound up but no-one in the UK is affected
by slavery it ended in 1833. It's just an excuse to kick off that's
all.
But people are still affected by racism.

Black people get shot even when unarmed; even when cooperating.
Post by Bob Latham
Post by Bigbird
Post by Bob Latham
What we've had over the last few days is rent-a-mob taking
advantage of trouble in another continent to kick off here
without the slightest justification.
So who do you think is behind funding them?
Well there are some rumours but I don't know anything concrete.
Post by Bigbird
I assumed they were just a bunch of hooligans.
Mostly indeed yes, I agree.
Post by Bigbird
Post by Bob Latham
The only racial discrimination I am aware of is the BBC
advertising jobs for none whites and various people telling us
how much they hate white people.
Well that is problematic. Does you saying you don't see
discrimination against minorities indicates that you are blind to
it, oblivious or that it doesn't exist?
None of those. I have not seen it since school days. I have worked
with black and asian all my working life, never saw a problem.
Have you ever seen anyone die from... ...measles?

Does that mean it never happens?
Post by Bob Latham
Post by Bigbird
Hint: it does exist.
Does it, sorry to hear that, where's that then?
Post by Bigbird
Post by Bob Latham
Post by Edmund
Well I see your point I do however think this whole hype is
going
Post by Edmund
way over the top. Here on TV there was another black man
whining about slavery and they did some research,guess what,
his ancestors belonged to a tribe that enslaved other blacks
and sold them. Hilarious! Where do you want to draw the line,
by women, because Eve eat the apple?
Exactly.
Exactly? Really?
Oh come on this whole thing is madness. There's a black lady in New
York yesterday saying how it will be wonderful when NY is free of the
police. What sort of idiot do you have to be to want to get rid of
the police? It would be a blood bath.
If the UK police were banished the very first thing I would do is
obtain firearms to protect my self and my family.
Post by Bigbird
So what "exactly" is your heritage?
Clearly not white privileged because that would be far to
stereotypical.
Yes, I'm white and proud and I've not harmed or damaged any person
from another race or culture. Where exactly is my white privilege? I
was lucky enough to be born into a civilised UK, that's it.
I went to school, I got a job, I worked hard all my life to provide
food and shelter. I retired.
Plenty of black and asian people I know have done better than me but
I don't resent that but I resent the idea that I'm privileged.
Do you ever fear that the police officer who pulls you over for a
traffic stop will kill you?

Black people fear that, and they are RIGHT to fear it.

That is privilege you have.
Bob Latham
2020-06-13 10:27:58 UTC
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Post by Edmund
Post by Edmund
Post by Dex
Post by Edmund
Post by Yousuf Khan
Post by Nomen Nescio
He wants people to tear down statues of white heroes
with links to slavery....
Good, so what's wrong with that?
Nothing, always a good idea trying to erase and change the
history :-)
Post by Edmund
Post by Dex
So the toppling of the statue of Stalin in Hungry or Saddam in
Iraq somehow re-wrote history?
Indeed not but in those cases they were a people suddenly freed
from tyranny and taking revenge on their oppressors. No one is
oppressed in the UK and all UK connections with slavery were
killed in 1833.
Seems the people throwing statues of slavers into the harbour disagree.
well I'll agree they're all wound up but no-one in the UK is
affected by slavery it ended in 1833. It's just an excuse to kick
off that's all.
But people are still affected by racism.
Right, can you give some UK examples please?
Post by Alan Baker
Black people get shot even when unarmed; even when cooperating.
Are we talking UK or US?

In the US I have these figures for 2013 for murders of blacks and
whites per 1,000,000 members of the murdered persons race..

Whites killed by blacks 9.83
Blacks killed by whites 0.77
Whites killed by whits 10.22
Blacks killed by blacks 53.94

The American Bureau of Justice Statistics tells us that Black men
commit more than half of the murders in the country but are only 13%
of the population.

It was indeed awful the way the police officer treated and killed
that man but I understand he has been charged with murder, what more
do people want. In addition this man was a high on drugs and a
criminal who held a gun to a pregnant woman, he was no saint.

So if black lives matter in America what group of people need to sort
this out? I'll wait!

In the UK the majority of blacks get murdered by other blacks. I did
see the figures last week but didn't note them down.

All lives matter and no one group's lives are any more important than
another's otherwise, that it racism.

If The black community wish to prevent black people being murdered
then looking at their own community behaviour would have far more
effect.

Sorry the facts don't match the current lefty agenda.
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Bob Latham
Post by Bigbird
Post by Bob Latham
What we've had over the last few days is rent-a-mob taking
advantage of trouble in another continent to kick off here
without the slightest justification.
So who do you think is behind funding them?
Well there are some rumours but I don't know anything concrete.
Post by Bigbird
I assumed they were just a bunch of hooligans.
Mostly indeed yes, I agree.
Post by Bigbird
Post by Bob Latham
The only racial discrimination I am aware of is the BBC
advertising jobs for none whites and various people telling us
how much they hate white people.
Well that is problematic. Does you saying you don't see
discrimination against minorities indicates that you are blind to
it, oblivious or that it doesn't exist?
None of those. I have not seen it since school days. I have worked
with black and asian all my working life, never saw a problem.
Have you ever seen anyone die from... ...measles?
No.
Post by Alan Baker
Does that mean it never happens?
No it doesn't. However, it does mean that in my part of the world it
is very unusual. Indeed in the media the only people I ever hear
making racist comments or showing racists attitudes are always none
whites saying how the hate whites and race baiting.

The white people I see/know just ignore race, a man is a man.
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Bob Latham
Post by Bigbird
Hint: it does exist.
Does it, sorry to hear that, where's that then?
Post by Bigbird
Post by Bob Latham
Post by Edmund
Well I see your point I do however think this whole hype is going
Post by Edmund
way over the top. Here on TV there was another black man
whining about slavery and they did some research,guess what,
his ancestors belonged to a tribe that enslaved other blacks
and sold them. Hilarious! Where do you want to draw the line,
by women, because Eve eat the apple?
Exactly.
Exactly? Really?
Oh come on this whole thing is madness. There's a black lady in New
York yesterday saying how it will be wonderful when NY is free of the
police. What sort of idiot do you have to be to want to get rid of
the police? It would be a blood bath.
If the UK police were banished the very first thing I would do is
obtain firearms to protect my self and my family.
Post by Bigbird
So what "exactly" is your heritage?
Clearly not white privileged because that would be far to
stereotypical.
Yes, I'm white and proud and I've not harmed or damaged any
person from another race or culture. Where exactly is my white
privilege? I was lucky enough to be born into a civilised UK,
that's it.
I went to school, I got a job, I worked hard all my life to
provide food and shelter. I retired.
Plenty of black and asian people I know have done better than me
but I don't resent that but I resent the idea that I'm privileged.
Do you ever fear that the police officer who pulls you over for a
traffic stop will kill you?
No and I don't believe that people of other races fear that in the UK
either. The states may be another issue.
Post by Alan Baker
Black people fear that, and they are RIGHT to fear it.
In the states I take it?

Maybe so, and it should be definitely be changed but having a riot
and looting shops doesn't to me look like a sensible approach to
stopping police racism. And as most black people get murdered by
other black people, it doesn't look a good way to reduce blacks
getting murdered either.

We all know that in the states things were very bad in the past but
it's getting better but not fast enough I get that. I'm not saying
that there are not rogue racist cops in the US, clearly there are. I
also hope that the full wait of the law deals with cop murderers
until it gets stamped out. However, the chief cause of black people
being murdered is a very long way from being the police.

It seems to be the stated intention of BLM is to rid the USA of the
police. We're told by black people this would be Nirvana. Really? You
have to question the sanity of anyone who thinks removing the police
would reduce people of any race being killed.
Post by Alan Baker
That is privilege you have.
Good grief, you really believe that don't you.

Clearly you are too lefty and woke for me to converse any further
with, just look at the figures for blacks getting murdered here or in
the states and ask who is responsible. QED.


Bob.
Edmund
2020-06-13 10:58:51 UTC
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Post by Edmund
Post by Dex
Post by Edmund
Post by Yousuf Khan
Post by Nomen Nescio
He wants people to tear down statues of white heroes
with links to slavery....
Good, so what's wrong with that?
Nothing, always a good idea trying to erase and change the
history :-)
Post by Dex
So the toppling of the statue of Stalin in Hungry or Saddam in
Iraq somehow re-wrote history?
Indeed not but in those cases they were a people suddenly freed
from tyranny and taking revenge on their oppressors. No one is
oppressed in the UK and all UK connections with slavery were
killed in 1833.
Seems the people throwing statues of slavers into the harbour disagree.
well I'll agree they're all wound up but no-one in the UK is
affected by slavery it ended in 1833. It's just an excuse to kick
off that's all.
But people are still affected by racism.
Right, can you give some UK examples please?
Post by Alan Baker
Black people get shot even when unarmed; even when cooperating.
Are we talking UK or US?
In the US I have these figures for 2013 for murders of blacks and
whites per 1,000,000 members of the murdered persons race..
Whites killed by blacks 9.83
Blacks killed by whites 0.77
Whites killed by whits 10.22
Blacks killed by blacks 53.94
The American Bureau of Justice Statistics tells us that Black men
commit more than half of the murders in the country but are only 13%
of the population.
It was indeed awful the way the police officer treated and killed
that man but I understand he has been charged with murder, what more
do people want. In addition this man was a high on drugs and a
criminal who held a gun to a pregnant woman, he was no saint.
So if black lives matter in America what group of people need to sort
this out? I'll wait!
In the UK the majority of blacks get murdered by other blacks. I did
see the figures last week but didn't note them down.
All lives matter and no one group's lives are any more important than
another's otherwise, that it racism.
If The black community wish to prevent black people being murdered
then looking at their own community behaviour would have far more
effect.
Sorry the facts don't match the current lefty agenda.
It is unfair to confuse these people with facts.

Edmund
Bob Latham
2020-06-14 10:48:16 UTC
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Right, can you give some UK examples please?
Post by Alan Baker
Black people get shot even when unarmed; even when cooperating.
Are we talking UK or US?
In the US I have these figures for 2013 for murders of blacks and
whites per 1,000,000 members of the murdered persons race..
Whites killed by blacks 9.83
Blacks killed by whites 0.77
Whites killed by whits 10.22
Blacks killed by blacks 53.94
The American Bureau of Justice Statistics tells us that Black men
commit more than half of the murders in the country but are only 13%
of the population.
It was indeed awful the way the police officer treated and killed
that man but I understand he has been charged with murder, what more
do people want. In addition this man was a high on drugs and a
criminal who held a gun to a pregnant woman, he was no saint.
So if black lives matter in America what group of people need to
sort this out? I'll wait!
Uk figures...

In the last 10 years that's TEN YEARS, deaths in UK police custody.

White: 140
Black: 13
Other minority: 10


Bob.
Dex
2020-06-14 14:52:42 UTC
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Post by Bob Latham
Right, can you give some UK examples please?
Post by Alan Baker
Black people get shot even when unarmed; even when cooperating.
Are we talking UK or US?
In the US I have these figures for 2013 for murders of blacks and
whites per 1,000,000 members of the murdered persons race..
Whites killed by blacks 9.83
Blacks killed by whites 0.77
Whites killed by whits 10.22
Blacks killed by blacks 53.94
The American Bureau of Justice Statistics tells us that Black men
commit more than half of the murders in the country but are only 13%
of the population.
It was indeed awful the way the police officer treated and killed
that man but I understand he has been charged with murder, what more
do people want. In addition this man was a high on drugs and a
criminal who held a gun to a pregnant woman, he was no saint.
So if black lives matter in America what group of people need to
sort this out? I'll wait!
Uk figures...
In the last 10 years that's TEN YEARS, deaths in UK police custody.
White: 140
Black: 13
Other minority: 10
But going by percentage of population more than twice as likely to die.
Bob Latham
2020-06-14 15:08:08 UTC
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But going by percentage of population more than twice as likely to die.
Desperate.

Bob.
Sir Tim
2020-06-14 19:41:03 UTC
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But going by percentage of population more than twice as likely to die.
Desperate.
No, highly relevant.
--
Sir Tim
Bob Latham
2020-06-14 19:54:04 UTC
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But going by percentage of population more than twice as likely to die.
Desperate.
No, highly relevant.
Only if you're looking for an excuse to virtue signal or kick off
some trouble.

If you wish to prevent black people getting murdered which is a
good thing, look at who kills black people.
Hint: the figures tell you the police are way, way down the list
but lets not stop a riot or a narrative with facts.


Bob.
geoff
2020-06-14 21:28:36 UTC
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Post by Dex
But going by percentage of population more than twice as likely to die.
Desperate.
No, highly relevant.
Only if you're looking for an excuse to virtue signal or kick off
some trouble.
If you wish to prevent black people getting murdered which is a
good thing, look at who kills black people.
Hint: the figures tell you the police are way, way down the list
but lets not stop a riot or a narrative with facts.
Bob.
You are letting down the white race with your skewed and selective logic.

geoff
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2020-06-15 05:39:36 UTC
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Post by Dex
But going by percentage of population more than twice as likely to die.
Desperate.
No, highly relevant.
Only if you're looking for an excuse to virtue signal or kick off
some trouble.
If you wish to prevent black people getting murdered which is a
good thing, look at who kills black people.
Hint: the figures tell you the police are way, way down the list
but lets not stop a riot or a narrative with facts.
Bob.
You are letting down the white race with your skewed and selective logic.
Don't be absurd, you don't like facts then?

What I said is logical and correct, it is your "I want there to be an
issue" that is skewed.

The figures simply do not support the narrative that UK police are
killing black people any more than whites, the numbers aren't there.

However, there are a group of people out there that are killing lots
of black people so why not take action with them? Because that
wouldn't suite the agenda?

And I'm letting down the white race with my logic?


Bob.
Bigbird
2020-06-15 06:31:26 UTC
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But going by percentage of population more than twice as
likely to >>>> die.
Post by Bob Latham
Post by Sir Tim
Post by Bob Latham
Desperate.
No, highly relevant.
Only if you're looking for an excuse to virtue signal or kick off
some trouble.
If you wish to prevent black people getting murdered which is a
good thing, look at who kills black people.
Hint: the figures tell you the police are way, way down the list
but lets not stop a riot or a narrative with facts.
Bob.
You are letting down the white race with your skewed and selective logic.
Don't be absurd, you don't like facts then?
I agree it's absurd to claim you represent anything but a twisted
minority.
Post by Bob Latham
What I said is logical and correct, it is your "I want there to be an
issue" that is skewed.
The figures simply do not support the narrative that UK police are
killing black people any more than whites, the numbers aren't there.
Straw man.

You are the only one making protests about racial inequality about the
sole issue police killings in the UK.

I have not seen one report which agrees with you.
Post by Bob Latham
However, there are a group of people out there that are killing lots
of black people so why not take action with them? Because that
wouldn't suite the agenda?
And I'm letting down the white race with my logic?
There is no logic.
--
"However much you deny the truth, the truth goes on existing."
~ George Orwell

Impeached President Trump 16,241 false or misleading claims in his
first three years

"So if you only watch Fox News, because it's
reinforcing what you believe, you are not an informed citizen."
Bob Latham
2020-06-15 07:22:57 UTC
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Post by Dex
But going by percentage of population more than twice as
likely to >>>> die.
Post by Bob Latham
Post by Sir Tim
Post by Bob Latham
Desperate.
No, highly relevant.
Only if you're looking for an excuse to virtue signal or kick off
some trouble.
If you wish to prevent black people getting murdered which is a
good thing, look at who kills black people.
Hint: the figures tell you the police are way, way down the list
but lets not stop a riot or a narrative with facts.
Bob.
You are letting down the white race with your skewed and
selective logic.
Don't be absurd, you don't like facts then?
I agree it's absurd to claim you represent anything but a twisted
minority.
Post by Bob Latham
What I said is logical and correct, it is your "I want there to
be an issue" that is skewed.
The figures simply do not support the narrative that UK police
are killing black people any more than whites, the numbers aren't
there.
Straw man.
You are the only one making protests about racial inequality about
the sole issue police killings in the UK.
I have not seen one report which agrees with you.
Oh I see now, so you concede the point about the police not being the
big issue, good.

Strange though that the stated aim of BLM certainly in America is to
remove the police altogether. Removing the police in NYC say the
leaders, "would be nirvana".

How does that work then?

The logic of this is astounding, only a complete lunatic could
believe that removing the police would make black lives better or
reduce black people getting murdered.

Oh and just to be clear, I am concerned to reduce the number of
people getting murdered of any race but the people committing the
murders need to be dealt with be they police or anyone else.
Doing irrational things like rioting, bringing down the police or
vandalism is not going to reduce anyone's risk of getting killed.

What black inequality do you see personally?

I see plenty of black and asian people doing just as well and better
than I, We have the same jobs and live in the same houses. In what
ways are the asian people across the road or my black teacher mate
who loves f1 not equal to me? I would genuinely like to know.


Bob.
Bigbird
2020-06-15 09:04:19 UTC
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But going by percentage of population more than twice as
likely to >>>> die.
Post by Bob Latham
Post by Sir Tim
Post by Bob Latham
Desperate.
No, highly relevant.
Only if you're looking for an excuse to virtue signal or kick
off some trouble.
If you wish to prevent black people getting murdered which is
a good thing, look at who kills black people.
Hint: the figures tell you the police are way, way down the
list but lets not stop a riot or a narrative with facts.
Bob.
You are letting down the white race with your skewed and
selective logic.
Don't be absurd, you don't like facts then?
I agree it's absurd to claim you represent anything but a twisted
minority.
Post by Bob Latham
What I said is logical and correct, it is your "I want there to
be an issue" that is skewed.
The figures simply do not support the narrative that UK police
are killing black people any more than whites, the numbers aren't
there.
Straw man.
You are the only one making protests about racial inequality about
the sole issue police killings in the UK.
I have not seen one report which agrees with you.
Oh I see now, so you concede the point about the police not being the
big issue, good.
See there you go Bob, you're first instinct is to lie.

You're a fucking liar Bob.

I just want to use this post to highlight that Bob.

YOU ARE A DUMBASS LIAR BOB.

There is no way for an honest person to get from what I said to your
falsehood.
Post by Bob Latham
Strange though that the stated aim of BLM certainly in America is to
remove the police altogether. Removing the police in NYC say the
leaders, "would be nirvana".
No it isn't Bob.

THAT IS ANOTHER LIE BOB.

One of the stated aims of BLM is to "defund the police", which has been
most widely expressed as taking some of the funds from policing and
using it in a more efficient and productive way than simply responding
to every 911 call with a man and a gun. They assert that many of the
circumstances that lead to police interactions could be avoided in the
first place with better social welfare, mental health and housing
initiatives.

Bob, you make no pretence of wishing to discuss anything honestly. You
clearly have an agenda and that agenda is rooted in dishonesty and
denial.
--
"However much you deny the truth, the truth goes on existing."
~ George Orwell

Impeached President Trump 16,241 false or misleading claims in his
first three years

"So if you only watch Fox News, because it's
reinforcing what you believe, you are not an informed citizen."
Bob Latham
2020-06-15 10:22:12 UTC
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Post by Dex
But going by percentage of population more than twice as
likely to >>>> die.
Post by Bob Latham
Post by Sir Tim
Post by Bob Latham
Desperate.
No, highly relevant.
Only if you're looking for an excuse to virtue signal or kick
off some trouble.
If you wish to prevent black people getting murdered which is
a good thing, look at who kills black people.
Hint: the figures tell you the police are way, way down the
list but lets not stop a riot or a narrative with facts.
Bob.
You are letting down the white race with your skewed and selective logic.
Don't be absurd, you don't like facts then?
I agree it's absurd to claim you represent anything but a twisted
minority.
Post by Bob Latham
What I said is logical and correct, it is your "I want there to
be an issue" that is skewed.
The figures simply do not support the narrative that UK police
are killing black people any more than whites, the numbers aren't
there.
Straw man.
You are the only one making protests about racial inequality about
the sole issue police killings in the UK.
I have not seen one report which agrees with you.
Oh I see now, so you concede the point about the police not being the
big issue, good.
See there you go Bob, you're first instinct is to lie.
You're a fucking liar Bob.
I just want to use this post to highlight that Bob.
YOU ARE A DUMBASS LIAR BOB.
Don't be so ridiculous.
Post by Bigbird
There is no way for an honest person to get from what I said to
your falsehood.
Post by Bob Latham
Strange though that the stated aim of BLM certainly in America is
to remove the police altogether. Removing the police in NYC say
the leaders, "would be nirvana".
No it isn't Bob.
THAT IS ANOTHER LIE BOB.
There is a video on twitter showing this black lady in NYC saying
EXACTLY that. I'm only saying what I watched.
Post by Bigbird
One of the stated aims of BLM is to "defund the police", which has
been most widely expressed as taking some of the funds from
policing and using it in a more efficient and productive way than
simply responding to every 911 call with a man and a gun.
Ah right, so we're talking about the USA. I see, that makes a
difference. I'm more UK focused.

So this is a problem in another continent which we in Britain are
unable to change since American independence. So I might understand a
march through London with banners of support but violence and
vandalism I don't.
Post by Bigbird
They assert that many of the circumstances that lead to police
interactions could be avoided in the first place with better social
welfare, mental health and housing initiatives.
Help me understand. So, in the USA...

Is this need only found in the black community or do people of all
races have similar needs?

If different in the black communities, why is that?

And the fault for this is white people, how so?

The majority of black people murdered in the states are murdered by
other black people indeed way more than by police, why is that?
Post by Bigbird
Bob, you make no pretence of wishing to discuss anything honestly.
You clearly have an agenda and that agenda is rooted in dishonesty
and denial.
Well you're good at being vicious and nasty I'll grant you that.
I notice you've not told me how my friends and neighbours are at a
disadvantage though have you? Or is this just a USA thing?

You had a black president didn't you? Was he disadvantaged?

We've also found that police in the UK are not killing black people
any more than other people. The numbers show that.

Oh and shouting in capitals and throwing insults doesn't help you
look rational.

Bob.
Dex
2020-06-15 10:58:12 UTC
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Post by Dex
But going by percentage of population more than twice as
likely to >>>> die.
Post by Bob Latham
Post by Sir Tim
Post by Bob Latham
Desperate.
No, highly relevant.
Only if you're looking for an excuse to virtue signal or kick
off some trouble.
If you wish to prevent black people getting murdered which is
a good thing, look at who kills black people.
Hint: the figures tell you the police are way, way down the
list but lets not stop a riot or a narrative with facts.
Bob.
You are letting down the white race with your skewed and
selective logic.
Don't be absurd, you don't like facts then?
I agree it's absurd to claim you represent anything but a twisted
minority.
Post by Bob Latham
What I said is logical and correct, it is your "I want there to
be an issue" that is skewed.
The figures simply do not support the narrative that UK police
are killing black people any more than whites, the numbers aren't
there.
Straw man.
You are the only one making protests about racial inequality about
the sole issue police killings in the UK.
I have not seen one report which agrees with you.
Oh I see now, so you concede the point about the police not being the
big issue, good.
See there you go Bob, you're first instinct is to lie.
You're a fucking liar Bob.
I just want to use this post to highlight that Bob.
YOU ARE A DUMBASS LIAR BOB.
Don't be so ridiculous.
Post by Bigbird
There is no way for an honest person to get from what I said to
your falsehood.
Post by Bob Latham
Strange though that the stated aim of BLM certainly in America is
to remove the police altogether. Removing the police in NYC say
the leaders, "would be nirvana".
No it isn't Bob.
THAT IS ANOTHER LIE BOB.
There is a video on twitter showing this black lady in NYC saying
EXACTLY that. I'm only saying what I watched.
Is she giving a personal opinion or is she speaking for the whole movement?

Better still, post the link to that video.
Bob Latham
2020-06-15 11:21:09 UTC
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Is she giving a personal opinion or is she speaking for the whole movement?
Better still, post the link to that video.
I think someone has already posted something which shows it was the
leader's wife or some such including a link I've not tested. I
watched it a day or two ago on twitter and didn't expect to need a
link.

Bob.
Brian Lawrence
2020-06-15 15:41:23 UTC
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Post by Bob Latham
Post by Dex
But going by percentage of population more than twice as
likely to >>>> die.
Post by Bob Latham
Post by Sir Tim
Post by Bob Latham
Desperate.
No, highly relevant.
Only if you're looking for an excuse to virtue signal or kick
off some trouble.
If you wish to prevent black people getting murdered which is
a good thing, look at who kills black people.
Hint: the figures tell you the police are way, way down the
list but lets not stop a riot or a narrative with facts.
Bob.
You are letting down the white race with your skewed and
selective logic.
Don't be absurd, you don't like facts then?
I agree it's absurd to claim you represent anything but a twisted
minority.
Post by Bob Latham
What I said is logical and correct, it is your "I want there to
be an issue" that is skewed.
The figures simply do not support the narrative that UK police
are killing black people any more than whites, the numbers aren't
there.
Straw man.
You are the only one making protests about racial inequality about
the sole issue police killings in the UK.
I have not seen one report which agrees with you.
Oh I see now, so you concede the point about the police not being the
big issue, good.
See there you go Bob, you're first instinct is to lie.
You're a fucking liar Bob.
I just want to use this post to highlight that Bob.
YOU ARE A DUMBASS LIAR BOB.
Don't be so ridiculous.
Post by Bigbird
There is no way for an honest person to get from what I said to
your falsehood.
Post by Bob Latham
Strange though that the stated aim of BLM certainly in America is
to remove the police altogether. Removing the police in NYC say
the leaders, "would be nirvana".
No it isn't Bob.
THAT IS ANOTHER LIE BOB.
There is a video on twitter showing this black lady in NYC saying
EXACTLY that. I'm only saying what I watched.
Is she giving a personal opinion or is she speaking for the whole movement?
Better still, post the link to that video.
I already did.


<https://time.com/5850041/bill-de-blasio-chirlane-mccray-time-100-oug
htalks/>

Chirlane McCray is married to Bill de Blasio the Mayor of NYC. She used
the term nirvana and also utopia in the sense that it's a hypothetical
dream - NYC without the need for the NYPD. de Blasio said that could
not happen for several generations.

"“That would be like a nirvana, a utopia that we are nowhere close to
getting to,” McCray said during a TIME100 Talks discussion.

When asked whether New York City could follow suit in disbanding its
police department—the nation’s largest with about 36,000 officers—McCray
laughed. “They’re a small city,” she said of Minneapolis, where a white
police officer kneeled on Floyd’s neck for nearly nine minutes on May
25, reigniting national backlash over incidents of police brutality
against black men and women.

“They can do things that would not be possible in a large city like New
York,” McCray added.

De Blasio agreed that such a move, which is rare nationwide, wouldn’t be
realistic in a city with about 8.6 million people. “Could the human race
evolve to a point where no guardians, no structures are needed? I guess
in theory,” he said, “but I don’t see that in the future we’re going to
live the next few generations.”

Neither of them are associated with BLM, though I'd imagine as parents
of two mixed-race children they might look on it favourably.

"Last week, de Blasio and McCray’s 25-year-old daughter, Chiara de
Blasio, was arrested while protesting—a moment that caught her parents
off guard.

“I didn’t know that she was out there,” McCray told TIME, adding that
she only found out after her daughter was released from jail."


Note I've left rec.autos.sport.nascar in this reply deliberately.
Though like r.a.s.f1 people read and post from many countries
Dex
2020-06-15 21:25:40 UTC
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Post by Dex
But going by percentage of population more than twice as
likely to >>>> die.
Post by Bob Latham
Post by Sir Tim
Post by Bob Latham
Desperate.
No, highly relevant.
Only if you're looking for an excuse to virtue signal or kick
off some trouble.
If you wish to prevent black people getting murdered which is
a good thing, look at who kills black people.
Hint: the figures tell you the police are way, way down the
list but lets not stop a riot or a narrative with facts.
Bob.
You are letting down the white race with your skewed and selective logic.
Don't be absurd, you don't like facts then?
I agree it's absurd to claim you represent anything but a twisted
minority.
Post by Bob Latham
What I said is logical and correct, it is your "I want there to
be an issue" that is skewed.
The figures simply do not support the narrative that UK police
are killing black people any more than whites, the numbers aren't
there.
Straw man.
You are the only one making protests about racial inequality about
the sole issue police killings in the UK.
I have not seen one report which agrees with you.
Oh I see now, so you concede the point about the police not being the
big issue, good.
See there you go Bob, you're first instinct is to lie.
You're a fucking liar Bob.
I just want to use this post to highlight that Bob.
YOU ARE A DUMBASS LIAR BOB.
Don't be so ridiculous.
Post by Bigbird
There is no way for an honest person to get from what I said to
your falsehood.
Post by Bob Latham
Strange though that the stated aim of BLM certainly in America is
to remove the police altogether. Removing the police in NYC say
the leaders, "would be nirvana".
No it isn't Bob.
THAT IS ANOTHER LIE BOB.
There is a video on twitter showing this black lady in NYC saying
EXACTLY that. I'm only saying what I watched.
Is she giving a personal opinion or is she speaking for the whole movement?
Better still, post the link to that video.
I already did.
<https://time.com/5850041/bill-de-blasio-chirlane-mccray-time-100-oug
htalks/>
Chirlane McCray is married to Bill de Blasio the Mayor of NYC. She used
the term nirvana and also utopia in the sense that it's a hypothetical
dream - NYC without the need for the NYPD. de Blasio said that could
not happen for several generations.
"“That would be like a nirvana, a utopia that we are nowhere close to
getting to,” McCray said during a TIME100 Talks discussion.
When asked whether New York City could follow suit in disbanding its
police department—the nation’s largest with about 36,000 officers—McCray
laughed. “They’re a small city,” she said of Minneapolis, where a white
police officer kneeled on Floyd’s neck for nearly nine minutes on May
25, reigniting national backlash over incidents of police brutality
against black men and women.
“They can do things that would not be possible in a large city like New
York,” McCray added.
De Blasio agreed that such a move, which is rare nationwide, wouldn’t be
realistic in a city with about 8.6 million people. “Could the human race
evolve to a point where no guardians, no structures are needed? I guess
in theory,” he said, “but I don’t see that in the future we’re going to
live the next few generations.”
Neither of them are associated with BLM, though I'd imagine as parents
of two mixed-race children they might look on it favourably.
So not the stated aim of BLM as Bob said. He does like putting words in
people's mouths.


https://blacklivesmatter.com/what-we-believe/

Not a stated aim on their website either, must be one of those hidden
agenda things people mention. :)
~misfit~
2020-06-16 13:18:15 UTC
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There is a video on twitter showing this black lady in NYC saying
EXACTLY that. I'm only saying what I watched.
Is she giving a personal opinion or is she speaking for the whole movement?
Better still, post the link to that video.
Bob never supplies sources, he just spouts anecdotes and expects people to take his word.
--
Shaun.

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2020-06-15 10:59:58 UTC
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Post by Dex
But going by percentage of population more than twice
as likely to >>>> die.
Post by Bob Latham
Post by Sir Tim
Post by Bob Latham
Desperate.
No, highly relevant.
Only if you're looking for an excuse to virtue signal or
kick off some trouble.
If you wish to prevent black people getting murdered
which is a good thing, look at who kills black people.
Hint: the figures tell you the police are way, way down
the list but lets not stop a riot or a narrative with
facts.
Bob.
You are letting down the white race with your skewed and
selective logic.
Don't be absurd, you don't like facts then?
I agree it's absurd to claim you represent anything but a
twisted minority.
Post by Bob Latham
What I said is logical and correct, it is your "I want there
to be an issue" that is skewed.
The figures simply do not support the narrative that UK police
are killing black people any more than whites, the numbers
aren't there.
Straw man.
You are the only one making protests about racial inequality
about the sole issue police killings in the UK.
I have not seen one report which agrees with you.
Oh I see now, so you concede the point about the police not being
the big issue, good.
See there you go Bob, you're first instinct is to lie.
You're a fucking liar Bob.
I just want to use this post to highlight that Bob.
YOU ARE A DUMBASS LIAR BOB.
Don't be so ridiculous.
Post by Bigbird
There is no way for an honest person to get from what I said to
your falsehood.
^^^^

Then show your working.
Post by Bob Latham
Post by Bigbird
Post by Bob Latham
Strange though that the stated aim of BLM certainly in America is
to remove the police altogether. Removing the police in NYC say
the leaders, "would be nirvana".
No it isn't Bob.
THAT IS ANOTHER LIE BOB.
There is a video on twitter showing this black lady in NYC saying
EXACTLY that. I'm only saying what I watched.
You can find someone online saying just about anything if you look for
it.

I know one guy who claims racism in Britain doesn't exist (yet he can
explain the millions of search results on the topic).

So this "black lady" was speaking for BLM was she... or was it just
that because she was black that you thought that a logical assumption.
Post by Bob Latham
Post by Bigbird
One of the stated aims of BLM is to "defund the police", which has
been most widely expressed as taking some of the funds from
policing and using it in a more efficient and productive way than
simply responding to every 911 call with a man and a gun.
Ah right, so we're talking about the USA. I see, that makes a
difference. I'm more UK focused.
Yet you just quoted " this black lady in NYC".

You see why you look dishonest Bob.

I dunno, perhaps you are just a little demented and can't hold a train
of thought for more than a paragraph.
Post by Bob Latham
So this is a problem in another continent which we in Britain are
unable to change since American independence. So I might understand a
march through London with banners of support but violence and
vandalism I don't.
Post by Bigbird
They assert that many of the circumstances that lead to police
interactions could be avoided in the first place with better social
welfare, mental health and housing initiatives.
Help me understand. So, in the USA...
You have to whole internet to find the answers if you really want them
Bob.

I am not an expert I just have an issue with your lies and denial.

You could have checked out any of your false claims before posting them
if being informed was your aim.
--
"However much you deny the truth, the truth goes on existing."
~ George Orwell

Impeached President Trump 16,241 false or misleading claims in his
first three years

"So if you only watch Fox News, because it's
reinforcing what you believe, you are not an informed citizen."
Edmund
2020-06-15 11:09:49 UTC
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But going by percentage of population more than twice as
likely to >>>> die.
Post by Bob Latham
Post by Sir Tim
Post by Bob Latham
Desperate.
No, highly relevant.
Only if you're looking for an excuse to virtue signal or kick
off some trouble.
If you wish to prevent black people getting murdered which is
a good thing, look at who kills black people.
Hint: the figures tell you the police are way, way down the
list but lets not stop a riot or a narrative with facts.
Bob.
You are letting down the white race with your skewed and
selective logic.
Don't be absurd, you don't like facts then?
I agree it's absurd to claim you represent anything but a twisted
minority.
Post by Bob Latham
What I said is logical and correct, it is your "I want there to
be an issue" that is skewed.
The figures simply do not support the narrative that UK police
are killing black people any more than whites, the numbers aren't
there.
Straw man.
You are the only one making protests about racial inequality about
the sole issue police killings in the UK.
I have not seen one report which agrees with you.
Oh I see now, so you concede the point about the police not being the
big issue, good.
See there you go Bob, you're first instinct is to lie.
You're a fucking liar Bob.
I just want to use this post to highlight that Bob.
YOU ARE A DUMBASS LIAR BOB.
Don't be so ridiculous.
Don't waste your time Bob.
This weird bird never stops arguing lying and accusing each and everyone
for exactly that what he himself is doing all the time.

For fun you can respond but don't think you can have meaningful a
conversation or anything.

Edmund
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2020-06-15 11:27:39 UTC
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Don't waste your time Bob.
This weird bird never stops arguing lying and accusing each and
everyone for exactly that what he himself is doing all the time.
For fun you can respond but don't think you can have meaningful a
conversation or anything.
Thank you, I'm learning.

I did make the mistake of not realising the conversation included USA
people. I don't know any particulars of their situation except a few
numbers and I have no experience of living in the States.

I apologise to my American friends and will try to notice when
crossposting to two groups. sorry nascar.

I was focused more on the goings on in the UK.

But yes Edmund I take your point indeed.


Cheers.

Bob.
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2020-06-15 13:25:29 UTC
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Thank you, I'm learning.
No you are not.
Post by Bob Latham
I did make the mistake of not realising the conversation included USA
people.
Except you overtly quoted "a black lady from NYC" so that was clearly a
lie.
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2020-06-16 13:22:36 UTC
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Ah right, so we're talking about the USA. I see, that makes a
difference. I'm more UK focused.
So why have you made dozens of posts to the NASCAR group?
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Ah right, so we're talking about the USA. I see, that makes a
difference. I'm more UK focused.
So why have you made dozens of posts to the NASCAR group?
I hadn't realised I was posting to a nascar group because the focus
was on Lewis Hamilton. That was a mistake on my part.

However, 'Dozens' is plural and I've not made 24 posts or near in the
entire thread so you're exaggerating aren't you?

Bob.
Bigbird
2020-06-15 09:12:12 UTC
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Bob Latham wrote:

Something for you to think about Bob:

I read one of your early posts to a friend.

She responded "he is probably a holocaust denier too".

That is how you come across Bob. If that is not who you are or how you
want to be perceived you need to give a little more thought to your
responses... starting with being less dishonest.
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2020-06-15 10:30:32 UTC
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I read one of your early posts to a friend.
She responded "he is probably a holocaust denier too".
I'm not entirely sure I understand the point you're making. and who
said what.

I will say I'm most definitely not a holocaust denier.
Post by Bigbird
That is how you come across Bob. If that is not who you are or how
you want to be perceived you need to give a little more thought to
your responses...
I appreciate that, seem to be trying to be helpful and not causing
trouble.
Post by Bigbird
starting with being less dishonest.
No, sorry. Never dishonest. I may be wrong sometimes I'm human but
never said anything on line I didn't believe (rightly or wrongly) to
be true.

Oh and I shouldn't be posting on nascar, nothing to do with me.


Bob.
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2020-06-15 11:42:06 UTC
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I read one of your early posts to a friend.
She responded "he is probably a holocaust denier too".
I've given that some thought and realised that it must have been in
response to me saying that I am a "MAN MADE climate change" sceptic.

Am I not allowed to have an opinion and state it, is that what we've
come down to?
Post by Bigbird
That is how you come across Bob.
I don't understand. I come across as having an opinion which
disagreed with "she" and "she" responded by making a silly
accusation, how is that my fault?
Post by Bigbird
If that is not who you are or how you want to be perceived
I still do not understand, what was wrong.

1. I had an opinion.
2. It wasn't the correct opinion.
3. I dared to state my opinion.
Post by Bigbird
you need to give a little more thought to your responses...
That is possibly true but I'm not sure exactly why.
Post by Bigbird
starting with being less dishonest.
Can you show me an example of me being dishonest? Don't confuse that
with mistaken which is entirely different. I have never sort to
mislead by deliberately saying things I know to be untrue.

Bob.
Bigbird
2020-06-15 13:29:25 UTC
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Post by Bigbird
I read one of your early posts to a friend.
She responded "he is probably a holocaust denier too".
I've given that some thought and realised that it must have been in
response to me saying that I am a "MAN MADE climate change" sceptic.
No Bob. I do not even have a recollection of your existence before this
thread. I meant one of your earlier posts where you deny any and all
knowledge of racism in the UK over the last 60 years.

[snipped irrelevant straw man]
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2020-06-15 13:59:04 UTC
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Post by Bigbird
I read one of your early posts to a friend.
She responded "he is probably a holocaust denier too".
I've given that some thought and realised that it must have been
in response to me saying that I am a "MAN MADE climate change"
sceptic.
No Bob. I do not even have a recollection of your existence before
this thread. I meant one of your earlier posts where you deny any
and all knowledge of racism in the UK over the last 60 years.
Oh I see. No, I cannot deny it exits that would absurd I can't see
everywhere. What I do say is, I have not seen it since I left school.
Not the same thing at all.

Bob.
Bigbird
2020-06-16 06:24:02 UTC
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Post by Bigbird
I read one of your early posts to a friend.
She responded "he is probably a holocaust denier too".
I've given that some thought and realised that it must have been
in response to me saying that I am a "MAN MADE climate change"
sceptic.
No Bob. I do not even have a recollection of your existence before
this thread. I meant one of your earlier posts where you deny any
and all knowledge of racism in the UK over the last 60 years.
Oh I see. No, I cannot deny it exits that would absurd
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
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I can't see
everywhere. What I do say is, I have not seen it since I left school.
Not the same thing at all.
Bob.
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BB
Post by Bob Latham
Well that is problematic. Does you saying you don't see
discrimination against minorities indicates that you are blind to
it, oblivious or that it doesn't exist?
Bob
None of those. I have not seen it since school days. I have worked
with black and asian all my working life, never saw a problem.

BB
Post by Bob Latham
Hint: it does exist.
Bob
Does it, sorry to hear that, where's that then?

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

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2020-06-16 10:35:13 UTC
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Post by Bigbird
I read one of your early posts to a friend.
She responded "he is probably a holocaust denier too".
I've given that some thought and realised that it must have been
in response to me saying that I am a "MAN MADE climate change"
sceptic.
No Bob. I do not even have a recollection of your existence before
this thread. I meant one of your earlier posts where you deny any
and all knowledge of racism in the UK over the last 60 years.
Oh I see. No, I cannot deny it exits that would absurd
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
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I can't see
everywhere. What I do say is, I have not seen it since I left school.
Not the same thing at all.
Bob.
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BB
Post by Bob Latham
Well that is problematic. Does you saying you don't see
discrimination against minorities indicates that you are blind to
it, oblivious or that it doesn't exist?
Bob
None of those. I have not seen it since school days. I have worked
with black and asian all my working life, never saw a problem.
BB
Post by Bob Latham
Hint: it does exist.
Bob
Does it, sorry to hear that, where's that then?
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
You seem to be attempting to show a conflict in what I wrote sorry.
Perhaps English isn't your first language.

I've said I've not seen it, you say you have, I asked where. That is
not denying it exists! Sorry, good try at shit stirring but you need
to try much harder.

Bob.
Bigbird
2020-06-16 17:17:04 UTC
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Post by Bigbird
I read one of your early posts to a friend.
She responded "he is probably a holocaust denier too".
I've given that some thought and realised that it must have
been in response to me saying that I am a "MAN MADE climate
change" sceptic.
No Bob. I do not even have a recollection of your existence
before this thread. I meant one of your earlier posts where you
deny any and all knowledge of racism in the UK over the last 60
years.
Oh I see. No, I cannot deny it exits that would absurd
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
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I can't see
everywhere. What I do say is, I have not seen it since I left
school. Not the same thing at all.
Bob.
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BB
Post by Bob Latham
Well that is problematic. Does you saying you don't see
discrimination against minorities indicates that you are blind to
it, oblivious or that it doesn't exist?
Bob
None of those. I have not seen it since school days. I have worked
with black and asian all my working life, never saw a problem.
BB
Post by Bob Latham
Hint: it does exist.
Bob
Does it, sorry to hear that, where's that then?
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
You seem to be attempting to show a conflict in what I wrote sorry.
Perhaps English isn't your first language.
I've said I've not seen it, you say you have, I asked where. That is
not denying it exists! Sorry, good try at shit stirring but you need
to try much harder.
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BB
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Hint: it does exist.
Bob
Does it, sorry to hear that, where's that then?

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

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How's your English today?
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2020-06-16 18:06:42 UTC
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BB
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Hint: it does exist.
Bob
Does it, sorry to hear that, where's that then?
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How's your English today?
Absolutely fine. No conflict at all, sorry.

Bob.
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2020-06-16 18:41:10 UTC
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BB
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Hint: it does exist.
Bob
Does it, sorry to hear that, where's that then?
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How's your English today?
Absolutely fine. No conflict at all, sorry.
Bob.
Right. So now you are claiming English as a second language, sure.

You are a liar Bob.

That is the plain and simple truth; dishonest and dishonourable.
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2020-06-16 18:51:06 UTC
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BB
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Hint: it does exist.
Bob
Does it, sorry to hear that, where's that then?
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How's your English today?
Absolutely fine. No conflict at all, sorry.
Bob.
Right. So now you are claiming English as a second language, sure.
You are a liar Bob.
That is the plain and simple truth; dishonest and dishonourable.
There is no conflict and no point in discussing it with you if you
can't understand that.

Bob.
Bigbird
2020-06-16 22:26:48 UTC
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Hint: it does exist.
Bob
Does it, sorry to hear that, where's that then?
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How's your English today?
Absolutely fine. No conflict at all, sorry.
Bob.
Right. So now you are claiming English as a second language, sure.
You are a liar Bob.
That is the plain and simple truth; dishonest and dishonourable.
There is no conflict and no point in discussing it with you if you
can't understand that.
Bob.
Look Bob, I understand English and I understand that you have attempted
to mischaracterise what you said and I understand why.

When I said racism exists and you said "does it, sorry to hear that"
there is no misconstruing.

Nor here "The only racial discrimination I am aware of is the BBC
advertising
jobs for none whites and various people telling us how much they hate
white people. "

I think I suggested early on that you should think before mouthing off.
As it is I can only agree that like your initial posts you're
protestations are quite absurd.

You have dug your hole Bob, lie in it; it's what you do naturally.
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2020-06-16 21:24:20 UTC
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Post by Bigbird
I read one of your early posts to a friend.
She responded "he is probably a holocaust denier too".
I've given that some thought and realised that it must have been
in response to me saying that I am a "MAN MADE climate change"
sceptic.
No Bob. I do not even have a recollection of your existence before
this thread. I meant one of your earlier posts where you deny any
and all knowledge of racism in the UK over the last 60 years.
Oh I see. No, I cannot deny it exits that would absurd
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
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I can't see
everywhere. What I do say is, I have not seen it since I left school.
Not the same thing at all.
Bob.
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Post by Bob Latham
Well that is problematic. Does you saying you don't see
discrimination against minorities indicates that you are blind to
it, oblivious or that it doesn't exist?
Bob
None of those. I have not seen it since school days. I have worked
with black and asian all my working life, never saw a problem.
BB
Post by Bob Latham
Hint: it does exist.
Bob
Does it, sorry to hear that, where's that then?
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
You seem to be attempting to show a conflict in what I wrote sorry.
Perhaps English isn't your first language.
I've said I've not seen it, you say you have, I asked where. That is
not denying it exists! Sorry, good try at shit stirring but you need
to try much harder.
Comparing one with personal experience and another with what you see on
TV and various other places?

How... quaint.
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2020-06-15 09:08:26 UTC
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I don't want to join in this thread, but a couple of points.

The whole thread has been cross-posted to the NASCAR group.

The quote about NYC without police being 'nirvana' comes from
a Time magazine interview with mayor de Blasio and his wife.

It was his wife who said it, but "Bill de Blasio Doesn’t See It
Happening for Generations".


<https://time.com/5850041/bill-de-blasio-chirlane-mccray-time-100-talks/>

So taken completely out of context to make a bad point, badly.
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2020-06-16 10:42:20 UTC
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Right, can you give some UK examples please?
Post by Alan Baker
Black people get shot even when unarmed; even when cooperating.
Are we talking UK or US?
In the US I have these figures for 2013 for murders of blacks and
whites per 1,000,000 members of the murdered persons race..
Whites killed by blacks 9.83
Blacks killed by whites 0.77
Whites killed by whits 10.22
Blacks killed by blacks 53.94
The American Bureau of Justice Statistics tells us that Black men
commit more than half of the murders in the country but are only 13%
of the population.
It was indeed awful the way the police officer treated and killed
that man but I understand he has been charged with murder, what more
do people want. In addition this man was a high on drugs and a
criminal who held a gun to a pregnant woman, he was no saint.
So if black lives matter in America what group of people need to
sort this out?    I'll wait!
Uk figures...
In the last 10 years that's TEN YEARS, deaths in UK police custody.
White: 140
Black: 13
Other minority: 10
But going by percentage of population more than twice as likely to die.
Interesting... do you by any change have figures about the occupation of
these victims?

Edmund
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2020-06-16 17:19:28 UTC
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Right, can you give some UK examples please?
Post by Alan Baker
Black people get shot even when unarmed; even when
cooperating.
Are we talking UK or US?
In the US I have these figures for 2013 for murders of blacks
and whites per 1,000,000 members of the murdered persons race..
Whites killed by blacks 9.83
Blacks killed by whites 0.77
Whites killed by whits 10.22
Blacks killed by blacks 53.94
The American Bureau of Justice Statistics tells us that Black
men commit more than half of the murders in the country but are
only 13% of the population.
It was indeed awful the way the police officer treated and
killed that man but I understand he has been charged with
murder, what more do people want. In addition this man was a
high on drugs and a criminal who held a gun to a pregnant
woman, he was no saint.
So if black lives matter in America what group of people need to
sort this out?    I'll wait!
Uk figures...
In the last 10 years that's TEN YEARS, deaths in UK police
custody.
White: 140
Black: 13
Other minority: 10
But going by percentage of population more than twice as likely to die.
Interesting... do you by any change have figures about the occupation
of these victims?
Why are deaths in custody of candle-makers more justifiable than those
of other trades?
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2020-06-15 09:05:52 UTC
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Right, can you give some UK examples please?
Post by Alan Baker
Black people get shot even when unarmed; even when cooperating.
Are we talking UK or US?
In the US I have these figures for 2013 for murders of blacks and
whites per 1,000,000 members of the murdered persons race..
Whites killed by blacks 9.83
Blacks killed by whites 0.77
Whites killed by whits 10.22
Blacks killed by blacks 53.94
The American Bureau of Justice Statistics tells us that Black men
commit more than half of the murders in the country but are only 13%
of the population.
It was indeed awful the way the police officer treated and killed
that man but I understand he has been charged with murder, what more
do people want. In addition this man was a high on drugs and a
criminal who held a gun to a pregnant woman, he was no saint.
So if black lives matter in America what group of people need to
sort this out? I'll wait!
Uk figures...
In the last 10 years that's TEN YEARS, deaths in UK police custody.
White: 140
Black: 13
Other minority: 10
Until I see cites and sources of where you're getting your data from I'll treat it with the
contempt the wording of your last dozen posts deserves.
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2020-06-14 13:04:47 UTC
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Black people fear that, and they are RIGHT to fear it.
In the states I take it?
Maybe so, and it should be definitely be changed but having a riot
and looting shops doesn't to me look like a sensible approach to
stopping police racism.
You do know that most of the protests were peaceful and that you trying
to ignore that and only talk about the criminals who took advantage is
misleading and a misrepresentation.

It is a dishonest tactic to concentrate on the actions of extremists in
ignorance of the majority.

So I guess that is what you will continue to do.
Post by Bob Latham
And as most black people get murdered by
other black people, it doesn't look a good way to reduce blacks
getting murdered either.
We all know that in the states things were very bad in the past but
it's getting better but not fast enough I get that. I'm not saying
that there are not rogue racist cops in the US, clearly there are. I
also hope that the full wait of the law deals with cop murderers
until it gets stamped out. However, the chief cause of black people
being murdered is a very long way from being the police.
So as someone who denies racism exists in the UK you are an authority
on racism in America? while denying that any systemic racism exists.

Your credibility rating is pretty low at this stage.
Post by Bob Latham
It seems to be the stated intention of BLM is to rid the USA of the
police.
Wrong or just a lie.
Post by Bob Latham
We're told by black people this would be Nirvana. Really? You
have to question the sanity of anyone who thinks removing the police
would reduce people of any race being killed.
A straw man argument.
Post by Bob Latham
Post by Alan Baker
That is privilege you have.
Good grief, you really believe that don't you.
Clearly you are too lefty and woke for me to converse any further
with, just look at the figures for blacks getting murdered here or in
the states and ask who is responsible. QED.
Another straw man.

The issue here is racism. If it were murder we would be talking about
the second amendment.
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He wants people to tear down statues of white heroes
with links to slavery....
Good, so what's wrong with that?
Nothing, always a good idea trying to erase and change the
history :-)
Post by Edmund
Post by Dex
So the toppling of the statue of Stalin in Hungry or Saddam
in >> Iraq somehow re-wrote history?
Indeed not but in those cases they were a people suddenly freed
from tyranny and taking revenge on their oppressors. No one is
oppressed in the UK and all UK connections with slavery were
killed in 1833.
Seems the people throwing statues of slavers into the harbour disagree.
well I'll agree they're all wound up but no-one in the UK is affected
by slavery it ended in 1833. It's just an excuse to kick off that's
all.
Post by Bigbird
Post by Bob Latham
What we've had over the last few days is rent-a-mob taking
advantage of trouble in another continent to kick off here
without the slightest justification.
So who do you think is behind funding them?
Well there are some rumours but I don't know anything concrete.
So you admit it was an entirely false accusation. OK.
Post by Bob Latham
Post by Bigbird
I assumed they were just a bunch of hooligans.
Mostly indeed yes, I agree.
"mostly"? Elaborate, who you are referring to.
Post by Bob Latham
Post by Bigbird
Post by Bob Latham
The only racial discrimination I am aware of is the BBC
advertising jobs for none whites and various people telling us
how much they hate white people.
Well that is problematic. Does you saying you don't see
discrimination against minorities indicates that you are blind to
it, oblivious or that it doesn't exist?
None of those. I have not seen it since school days. I have worked
with black and asian all my working life, never saw a problem.
Then it is very clearly one of those.
Post by Bob Latham
Post by Bigbird
Hint: it does exist.
Does it, sorry to hear that, where's that then?
...and there you confirm the same.
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Post by Edmund
Well I see your point I do however think this whole hype is going
Post by Edmund
way over the top. Here on TV there was another black man
whining about slavery and they did some research,guess what,
his ancestors belonged to a tribe that enslaved other blacks
and sold them. Hilarious! Where do you want to draw the line,
by women, because Eve eat the apple?
Exactly.
Exactly? Really?
Oh come on this whole thing is madness. There's a black lady in New
York yesterday saying how it will be wonderful when NY is free of the
police. What sort of idiot do you have to be to want to get rid of
the police? It would be a blood bath.
If the UK police were banished the very first thing I would do is
obtain firearms to protect my self and my family.
Post by Bigbird
So what "exactly" is your heritage?
Clearly not white privileged because that would be far to
stereotypical.
Yes, I'm white and proud and I've not harmed or damaged any person
from another race or culture. Where exactly is my white privilege? I
was lucky enough to be born into a civilised UK, that's it.
I went to school, I got a job, I worked hard all my life to provide
food and shelter. I retired.
Plenty of black and asian people I know have done better than me but
I don't resent that but I resent the idea that I'm privileged.
It appears to all boil down to you choosing not to recognise racism in
any form in a country where it is a very real issue.

If you haven't been touched by discrimination you are very fucking
privileged.
--
"However much you deny the truth, the truth goes on existing."
~ George Orwell

Impeached President Trump 16,241 false or misleading claims in his
first three years

"So if you only watch Fox News, because it's
reinforcing what you believe, you are not an informed citizen."
build
2020-06-13 02:40:13 UTC
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In article <>,
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He wants people to tear down statues of white heroes
with links to slavery....
Good, so what's wrong with that?
Nothing, always a good idea trying to erase and change the
history :-)
Post by Edmund
Post by Dex
So the toppling of the statue of Stalin in Hungry or Saddam
in >> Iraq somehow re-wrote history?
Indeed not but in those cases they were a people suddenly freed
from tyranny and taking revenge on their oppressors. No one is
oppressed in the UK and all UK connections with slavery were
killed in 1833.
Seems the people throwing statues of slavers into the harbour disagree.
well I'll agree they're all wound up but no-one in the UK is affected
by slavery it ended in 1833. It's just an excuse to kick off that's
all.
Post by Bigbird
What we've had over the last few days is rent-a-mob taking
advantage of trouble in another continent to kick off here
without the slightest justification.
So who do you think is behind funding them?
Well there are some rumours but I don't know anything concrete.
So you admit it was an entirely false accusation. OK.
Maybe he's talking about agitators. They're nothing new, there were agitators in Roman times. There is more of them now of coarse.
Post by Bigbird
Post by Bigbird
I assumed they were just a bunch of hooligans.
Mostly indeed yes, I agree.
"mostly"? Elaborate, who you are referring to.
Post by Bigbird
The only racial discrimination I am aware of is the BBC
advertising jobs for none whites and various people telling us
how much they hate white people.
Well that is problematic. Does you saying you don't see
discrimination against minorities indicates that you are blind to
it, oblivious or that it doesn't exist?
None of those. I have not seen it since school days. I have worked
with black and asian all my working life, never saw a problem.
Then it is very clearly one of those.
Post by Bigbird
Hint: it does exist.
Does it, sorry to hear that, where's that then?
...and there you confirm the same.
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Post by Edmund
Well I see your point I do however think this whole hype is going
Post by Edmund
way over the top. Here on TV there was another black man
whining about slavery and they did some research,guess what,
his ancestors belonged to a tribe that enslaved other blacks
and sold them. Hilarious! Where do you want to draw the line,
by women, because Eve eat the apple?
Exactly.
Exactly? Really?
Oh come on this whole thing is madness. There's a black lady in New
York yesterday saying how it will be wonderful when NY is free of the
police. What sort of idiot do you have to be to want to get rid of
the police? It would be a blood bath.
If the UK police were banished the very first thing I would do is
obtain firearms to protect my self and my family.
Post by Bigbird
So what "exactly" is your heritage?
Clearly not white privileged because that would be far to
stereotypical.
Yes, I'm white and proud and I've not harmed or damaged any person
from another race or culture. Where exactly is my white privilege? I
was lucky enough to be born into a civilised UK, that's it.
I went to school, I got a job, I worked hard all my life to provide
food and shelter. I retired.
Plenty of black and asian people I know have done better than me but
I don't resent that but I resent the idea that I'm privileged.
It appears to all boil down to you choosing not to recognise racism in
any form in a country where it is a very real issue.
If you haven't been touched by discrimination you are very fucking
privileged.
--
"However much you deny the truth, the truth goes on existing."
~ George Orwell
Impeached President Trump 16,241 false or misleading claims in his
first three years
"So if you only watch Fox News, because it's
reinforcing what you believe, you are not an informed citizen."
Bob Latham
2020-06-13 10:37:41 UTC
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Post by Dex
Post by Edmund
Post by Yousuf Khan
Post by Nomen Nescio
He wants people to tear down statues of white heroes
with links to slavery....
Good, so what's wrong with that?
Nothing, always a good idea trying to erase and change the
history :-)
Post by Dex
So the toppling of the statue of Stalin in Hungry or Saddam
in >> Iraq somehow re-wrote history?
Indeed not but in those cases they were a people suddenly freed
from tyranny and taking revenge on their oppressors. No one is
oppressed in the UK and all UK connections with slavery were
killed in 1833.
Seems the people throwing statues of slavers into the harbour disagree.
well I'll agree they're all wound up but no-one in the UK is affected
by slavery it ended in 1833. It's just an excuse to kick off that's
all.
Post by Bigbird
Post by Bob Latham
What we've had over the last few days is rent-a-mob taking
advantage of trouble in another continent to kick off here
without the slightest justification.
So who do you think is behind funding them?
Well there are some rumours but I don't know anything concrete.
So you admit it was an entirely false accusation. OK.
No, I do not. Not having evidence does not mean something is false.

Is this about picking an argument or debating the current situation?
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Post by Bob Latham
Post by Bigbird
I assumed they were just a bunch of hooligans.
Mostly indeed yes, I agree.
"mostly"? Elaborate, who you are referring to.
There was also a large number of posh middle class champagne
socialists, Plenty of "OK Yah" interviews showed that.
Post by Bigbird
Post by Bob Latham
Post by Bigbird
Post by Bob Latham
The only racial discrimination I am aware of is the BBC
advertising jobs for none whites and various people telling
us how much they hate white people.
Well that is problematic. Does you saying you don't see
discrimination against minorities indicates that you are blind
to it, oblivious or that it doesn't exist?
None of those. I have not seen it since school days. I have
worked with black and asian all my working life, never saw a
problem.
Then it is very clearly one of those.
Post by Bob Latham
Post by Bigbird
Hint: it does exist.
Does it, sorry to hear that, where's that then?
...and there you confirm the same.
It appears to all boil down to you choosing not to recognise racism
in any form in a country where it is a very real issue.
In complete honesty, I do see racism in the media, Day after day I
see none white people on the box telling us how much they hate
whites. I do see that racism, you can't miss it.
Post by Bigbird
If you haven't been touched by discrimination you are very fucking
privileged.
Inverted logic and lefty nonsense.

Yes, ok got your number. Don't want to look at the facts in a
sensible manner just likes to argue and argue and push the agenda.

OK bye.

Bob.
Bigbird
2020-06-13 11:09:17 UTC
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Post by Edmund
Post by Dex
Post by Edmund
Post by Yousuf Khan
Post by Nomen Nescio
He wants people to tear down statues of white heroes
with links to slavery....
Good, so what's wrong with that?
Nothing, always a good idea trying to erase and change
the history :-)
Post by Dex
So the toppling of the statue of Stalin in Hungry or
Saddam in >> Iraq somehow re-wrote history?
Indeed not but in those cases they were a people suddenly
freed from tyranny and taking revenge on their oppressors. No
one is oppressed in the UK and all UK connections with
slavery were killed in 1833.
Seems the people throwing statues of slavers into the harbour disagree.
well I'll agree they're all wound up but no-one in the UK is
affected by slavery it ended in 1833. It's just an excuse to kick
off that's all.
Post by Bigbird
Post by Bob Latham
What we've had over the last few days is rent-a-mob taking
advantage of trouble in another continent to kick off here
without the slightest justification.
So who do you think is behind funding them?
Well there are some rumours but I don't know anything concrete.
So you admit it was an entirely false accusation. OK.
No, I do not. Not having evidence does not mean something is false.
Do you want to think about that one a while? I'd say that making an
assertion in the absence of any evidence or qualification is a
falsehood.

Perhaps you would like to reword your original claim such that it
doesn't read like a deliberate falsehood or that you are deliberately
spreading "a rumour" because it serves your purposes of painting a
certain picture.

I think this subject deserves more form you that unqualified rumours
asserted as facts.
Post by Bob Latham
Is this about picking an argument or debating the current situation?
What's the rumour?
Post by Bob Latham
Post by Bigbird
Post by Bob Latham
Post by Bigbird
I assumed they were just a bunch of hooligans.
Mostly indeed yes, I agree.
"mostly"? Elaborate, who you are referring to.
There was also a large number of posh middle class champagne
socialists, Plenty of "OK Yah" interviews showed that.
Well you do dig yourself deeper with your stereotypes.

So the people you describe above were not hooligans how do they fit
into your imagined "rent a mob" scenario?
Post by Bob Latham
Post by Bigbird
Post by Bob Latham
Post by Bigbird
Post by Bob Latham
The only racial discrimination I am aware of is the BBC
advertising jobs for none whites and various people telling
us how much they hate white people.
Well that is problematic. Does you saying you don't see
discrimination against minorities indicates that you are blind
to it, oblivious or that it doesn't exist?
None of those. I have not seen it since school days. I have
worked with black and asian all my working life, never saw a
problem.
Then it is very clearly one of those.
Post by Bob Latham
Post by Bigbird
Hint: it does exist.
Does it, sorry to hear that, where's that then?
...and there you confirm the same.
It appears to all boil down to you choosing not to recognise racism
in any form in a country where it is a very real issue.
In complete honesty, I do see racism in the media, Day after day I
see none white people on the box telling us how much they hate
whites. I do see that racism, you can't miss it.
Post by Bigbird
If you haven't been touched by discrimination you are very fucking
privileged.
Inverted logic and lefty nonsense.
https://www.google.com/search?q=racism+uk

288,000,000 results

...and you haven't been touched by racism in 30 years.

Do you want to explain how that works?
Post by Bob Latham
Yes, ok got your number. Don't want to look at the facts in a
sensible manner just likes to argue and argue and push the agenda.
I would love some facts. You tried to sell imagined rumours as fact so
you don't try to play the victim.

I have no agenda other than to question your falsehoods.

Are you offended by honesty?
--
"However much you deny the truth, the truth goes on existing."
~ George Orwell

Impeached President Trump 16,241 false or misleading claims in his
first three years

"So if you only watch Fox News, because it's
reinforcing what you believe, you are not an informed citizen."
Bob Latham
2020-06-13 11:51:54 UTC
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No, I do not. Not having evidence does not mean something is
false.
Do you want to think about that one a while?
No. Do you?
Post by Bigbird
I'd say that making an assertion in the absence of any evidence or
qualification is a falsehood.
Perhaps you would like to reword your original claim such that it
doesn't read like a deliberate falsehood or that you are
deliberately spreading "a rumour" because it serves your purposes
of painting a certain picture.
I think this subject deserves more form you that unqualified rumours
asserted as facts.
Hardly the core of the issue is it? Just something you think you've
found to attack.
Post by Bigbird
Post by Bob Latham
Is this about picking an argument or debating the current
situation?
What's the rumour?
I can't say that, you've already told me I shouldn't.
Post by Bigbird
Post by Bob Latham
Post by Bigbird
Post by Bob Latham
Post by Bigbird
I assumed they were just a bunch of hooligans.
Mostly indeed yes, I agree.
"mostly"? Elaborate, who you are referring to.
There was also a large number of posh middle class champagne
socialists, Plenty of "OK Yah" interviews showed that.
Well you do dig yourself deeper with your stereotypes.
So the people you describe above were not hooligans how do they fit
into your imagined "rent a mob" scenario?
It was mob rule with additional poshos. End.
Post by Bigbird
Post by Bob Latham
Post by Bigbird
Post by Bob Latham
Post by Bigbird
Post by Bob Latham
The only racial discrimination I am aware of is the BBC
advertising jobs for none whites and various people
telling us how much they hate white people.
Well that is problematic. Does you saying you don't see
discrimination against minorities indicates that you are
blind to it, oblivious or that it doesn't exist?
None of those. I have not seen it since school days. I have
worked with black and asian all my working life, never saw a
problem.
Then it is very clearly one of those.
Post by Bob Latham
Post by Bigbird
Hint: it does exist.
Does it? In the UK? Must be in some unsavoury places I don't visit.
Post by Bigbird
Post by Bob Latham
Post by Bigbird
It appears to all boil down to you choosing not to recognise
racism in any form in a country where it is a very real issue.
In complete honesty, I do see racism in the media, Day after day I
see none white people on the box telling us how much they hate
whites. I do see that racism, you can't miss it.
Post by Bigbird
If you haven't been touched by discrimination you are very
fucking privileged.
Nice. Great intellectual argument.
Post by Bigbird
Post by Bob Latham
Inverted logic and lefty nonsense.
https://www.google.com/search?q=racism+uk
288,000,000 results
So?
Are they all UK?
Are they all white people being racist?
Are they all true?
Post by Bigbird
...and you haven't been touched by racism in 30 years.
Much longer than that. Not seen the slightest bit of racism since the
60s when I was at school.
Post by Bigbird
Do you want to explain how that works?
I have seen some dislike of some *cultures* but not races.

A current example is that people are upset by the grooming gangs
issue which does appear to be mainly associated with certain
cultures. That's not racist.

People cannot choose the colour of their skin or their race. Racism
is stupid. A person can choose their beliefs and behaviour and it is
right to hold people to account for their behaviour.
Post by Bigbird
Post by Bob Latham
Yes, ok got your number. Don't want to look at the facts in a
sensible manner just likes to argue and argue and push the
agenda.
I would love some facts. You tried to sell imagined rumours as fact
so you don't try to play the victim.
I have no agenda other than to question your falsehoods.
Are you offended by honesty?
I'm not offended I just have your number, argumentative trickster.

Bob.
Bigbird
2020-06-13 13:43:24 UTC
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No, I do not. Not having evidence does not mean something is false.
Do you want to think about that one a while?
No. Do you?
Okay, I conclude, in the absence of any mitigation, that it was a
deliberate lie.
Post by Bob Latham
Post by Bigbird
I'd say that making an assertion in the absence of any evidence or
qualification is a falsehood.
Perhaps you would like to reword your original claim such that it
doesn't read like a deliberate falsehood or that you are
deliberately spreading "a rumour" because it serves your purposes
of painting a certain picture.
I think this subject deserves more form you that unqualified rumours
asserted as facts.
Hardly the core of the issue is it? Just something you think you've
found to attack.
Actually claiming the hooligans were not spontaneous but an organised
and funded entity is rather a serious charge and certainly would be a
core issue *if* it were true.

So you wish to retract?
Post by Bob Latham
Post by Bigbird
Post by Bob Latham
Is this about picking an argument or debating the current
situation?
What's the rumour?
I can't say that, you've already told me I shouldn't.
Whoosh!
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Post by Bigbird
Post by Bob Latham
Post by Bigbird
Post by Bob Latham
Post by Bigbird
I assumed they were just a bunch of hooligans.
Mostly indeed yes, I agree.
"mostly"? Elaborate, who you are referring to.
There was also a large number of posh middle class champagne
socialists, Plenty of "OK Yah" interviews showed that.
Well you do dig yourself deeper with your stereotypes.
So the people you describe above were not hooligans how do they fit
into your imagined "rent a mob" scenario?
It was mob rule with additional poshos. End.
So "poshos" are not part of "the mob"? Would you like to define who
was? Was "the mob" more colourful?

I think your inability to actually put what you mean into words is key.

You are not making much sense.
Post by Bob Latham
Post by Bigbird
Post by Bob Latham
Post by Bigbird
Post by Bob Latham
Post by Bigbird
Post by Bob Latham
The only racial discrimination I am aware of is the BBC
advertising jobs for none whites and various people
telling us how much they hate white people.
Well that is problematic. Does you saying you don't see
discrimination against minorities indicates that you are
blind to it, oblivious or that it doesn't exist?
None of those. I have not seen it since school days. I have
worked with black and asian all my working life, never saw a
problem.
Then it is very clearly one of those.
Post by Bob Latham
Post by Bigbird
Hint: it does exist.
Does it? In the UK? Must be in some unsavoury places I don't visit.
That is one of the key things about systemic casual racism; people
pretending it doesn't exist until they are called out for it.
Post by Bob Latham
Post by Bigbird
Post by Bob Latham
Post by Bigbird
It appears to all boil down to you choosing not to recognise
racism in any form in a country where it is a very real issue.
In complete honesty, I do see racism in the media, Day after day I
see none white people on the box telling us how much they hate
whites. I do see that racism, you can't miss it.
Post by Bigbird
If you haven't been touched by discrimination you are very
fucking privileged.
Nice. Great intellectual argument.
Post by Bigbird
Post by Bob Latham
Inverted logic and lefty nonsense.
https://www.google.com/search?q=racism+uk
288,000,000 results
So?
Are they all UK?
Are they all white people being racist?
Are they all true?
Congratulations. Those are such fucking dumb questions, so dumb they
expose your agenda to ignore all racism and pretend it doesn't exist.

Let me ask a simple question to test your honesty.

How many of those results, out of 288 million have to relate directly
to "UK", "white people being racist" for you to admit racism exists?
Post by Bob Latham
Post by Bigbird
...and you haven't been touched by racism in 30 years.
Much longer than that. Not seen the slightest bit of racism since the
60s when I was at school.
Blind privilege.
Post by Bob Latham
Post by Bigbird
Do you want to explain how that works?
I have seen some dislike of some cultures but not races.
A current example is that people are upset by the grooming gangs
issue which does appear to be mainly associated with certain
cultures. That's not racist.
People cannot choose the colour of their skin or their race. Racism
is stupid. A person can choose their beliefs and behaviour and it is
right to hold people to account for their behaviour.
Post by Bigbird
Post by Bob Latham
Yes, ok got your number. Don't want to look at the facts in a
sensible manner just likes to argue and argue and push the
agenda.
I would love some facts. You tried to sell imagined rumours as fact
so you don't try to play the victim.
I have no agenda other than to question your falsehoods.
Are you offended by honesty?
I'm not offended I just have your number, argumentative trickster.
...and I yours white privileged liar.

So what you don't like about my questions is that they tripped you up.
--
"However much you deny the truth, the truth goes on existing."
~ George Orwell

Impeached President Trump 16,241 false or misleading claims in his
first three years

"So if you only watch Fox News, because it's
reinforcing what you believe, you are not an informed citizen."
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2020-06-13 13:59:24 UTC
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Actually claiming the hooligans were not spontaneous but an
organised and funded entity is rather a serious charge and
certainly would be a core issue *if* it were true.
So you wish to retract?
Argumentative for the sake of it and a shit stirrer.

No point in wasting my time. I'm sure I'm not the first realise that.


Bob.
Bigbird
2020-06-13 14:44:36 UTC
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Post by Bigbird
Actually claiming the hooligans were not spontaneous but an
organised and funded entity is rather a serious charge and
certainly would be a core issue if it were true.
So you wish to retract?
Argumentative for the sake of it and a shit stirrer.
It is not simply "argumentative" to call someone out on a deliberate
falsehood that fundamentally changes a debate especially when on
investigation it makes them look somewhat prejudiced.
Post by Bob Latham
No point in wasting my time.
Yeah, racism is a complete waste of *your* time. It is such a minor
problem in this country compared to so many other first world
problems...

...until it negatively affects you.

Go white privilege!
Post by Bob Latham
I'm sure I'm not the first realise that.
Maybe just think before you write indefensible bullshit and run away.

Good night Bob.
--
"However much you deny the truth, the truth goes on existing."
~ George Orwell

Impeached President Trump 16,241 false or misleading claims in his
first three years

"So if you only watch Fox News, because it's
reinforcing what you believe, you are not an informed citizen."
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2020-06-13 15:24:21 UTC
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Post by Bigbird
Actually claiming the hooligans were not spontaneous but an
organised and funded entity is rather a serious charge and
certainly would be a core issue *if* it were true.
So you wish to retract?
Argumentative for the sake of it and a shit stirrer.
No point in wasting my time. I'm sure I'm not the first realise that.
Check!
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Bob.
Edmund
Bigbird
2020-06-13 17:17:39 UTC
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Check
Bob.
Edmund
Straw poll:

Either of you two ever been mistaken for racists?

Check that Edmund. :)
--
"However much you deny the truth, the truth goes on existing."
~ George Orwell

Impeached President Trump 16,241 false or misleading claims in his
first three years

"So if you only watch Fox News, because it's
reinforcing what you believe, you are not an informed citizen."
Edmund
2020-06-13 17:52:58 UTC
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Check
Bob.
Edmund
Either of you two ever been mistaken for racists?
Check that Edmund. :)
I can only speak for myself and no, not by reasonable people ever.
Bob Latham
2020-06-13 18:36:50 UTC
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Check
Bob.
Edmund
Either of you two ever been mistaken for racists?
Check that Edmund. :)
I can only speak for myself and no, not by reasonable people ever.
When someone makes that (in this case slightly guarded) accusation
you know all you need to know about the accuser. The nasty extreme
left use that to provoke and to shut down arguments they doesn't like.

Play the man not the ball.

Bob.
Bigbird
2020-06-13 21:39:14 UTC
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Check
Bob.
Edmund
Either of you two ever been mistaken for racists?
Check that Edmund. :)
I can only speak for myself and no, not by reasonable people ever.
When someone makes that (in this case slightly guarded) accusation
you know all you need to know about the accuser. The nasty extreme
left use that to provoke and to shut down arguments they doesn't like.
Well that sounds like a "slightly guarded" accusation that I am of the
extreme left.

That is the kind of completely unfounded accusation made only by the
extreme right to justify their prejudices.
Post by Bob Latham
Play the man not the ball.
I played the man and he ran like a coward.

I did no more than ask you about what you wrote which you had to admit
was a falsehood.

It's so unfair to be caught in a lie isn't it, Bob.
--
"However much you deny the truth, the truth goes on existing."
~ George Orwell

Impeached President Trump 16,241 false or misleading claims in his
first three years

"So if you only watch Fox News, because it's
reinforcing what you believe, you are not an informed citizen."
Bigbird
2020-06-13 21:32:51 UTC
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Check
Bob.
Edmund
Either of you two ever been mistaken for racists?
Check that Edmund. :)
I can only speak for myself and no, not by reasonable people ever.
So only unreasonable people are mistaken when they suggest your a
little bit racist; fair enough.

:)
--
"However much you deny the truth, the truth goes on existing."
~ George Orwell

Impeached President Trump 16,241 false or misleading claims in his
first three years

"So if you only watch Fox News, because it's
reinforcing what you believe, you are not an informed citizen."
Edmund
2020-06-14 11:09:41 UTC
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Check
Bob.
Edmund
Either of you two ever been mistaken for racists?
Check that Edmund. :)
I can only speak for myself and no, not by reasonable people ever.
So only unreasonable people are mistaken when they suggest your a
little bit racist; fair enough.
:)
Pssst between you and me, my response was aimed at you personally.
Didn't even get that did you.

Edmund
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2020-06-14 12:54:57 UTC
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Check
Bob.
Edmund
Either of you two ever been mistaken for racists?
Check that Edmund. :)
I can only speak for myself and no, not by reasonable people ever.
So only unreasonable people are mistaken when they suggest your a
little bit racist; fair enough.
:)
Pssst between you and me, my response was aimed at you personally.
Didn't even get that did you.
How would I unless you declared that it was a lie.

So you admit lying. Does that make you feel better?
Post by Edmund
Edmund
--
"However much you deny the truth, the truth goes on existing."
~ George Orwell

Impeached President Trump 16,241 false or misleading claims in his
first three years

"So if you only watch Fox News, because it's
reinforcing what you believe, you are not an informed citizen."
Bigbird
2020-06-13 13:55:16 UTC
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Much longer than that. Not seen the slightest bit of racism since the
60s when I was at school.
For some reason you brought this to mind:

"The Devil’s Greatest Trick is Convincing You He Doesn’t Exist"

Applies to racists too, don't you think; it's rhetorical you have
already told me you refuse to think.
--
"However much you deny the truth, the truth goes on existing."
~ George Orwell

Impeached President Trump 16,241 false or misleading claims in his
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geoff
2020-06-14 01:21:44 UTC
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In complete honesty, I do see racism in the media, Day after day I
see none white people on the box telling us how much they hate
whites. I do see that racism, you can't miss it.
I take it you mean "non-white".

That's odd - I've never seem that. Maybe you are extrapolating a bit much.

geoff
AnthonyL
2020-06-13 11:49:52 UTC
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He wants people to tear down statues of white heroes
with links to slavery....
Good, so what's wrong with that?
Nothing, always a good idea trying to erase and change the
history :-)
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Post by Dex
So the toppling of the statue of Stalin in Hungry or Saddam in
Iraq somehow re-wrote history?
Indeed not but in those cases they were a people suddenly freed
from tyranny and taking revenge on their oppressors. No one is
oppressed in the UK and all UK connections with slavery were
killed in 1833.
Seems the people throwing statues of slavers into the harbour
disagree.
well I'll agree they're all wound up but no-one in the UK is affected
by slavery it ended in 1833. It's just an excuse to kick off that's
all.
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Post by Bob Latham
What we've had over the last few days is rent-a-mob taking
advantage of trouble in another continent to kick off here
without the slightest justification.
So who do you think is behind funding them?
Well there are some rumours but I don't know anything concrete.
Post by Bigbird
I assumed they were just a bunch of hooligans.
Mostly indeed yes, I agree.
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Post by Bob Latham
The only racial discrimination I am aware of is the BBC
advertising jobs for none whites and various people telling us
how much they hate white people.
Well that is problematic. Does you saying you don't see
discrimination against minorities indicates that you are blind to
it, oblivious or that it doesn't exist?
None of those. I have not seen it since school days. I have worked
with black and asian all my working life, never saw a problem.
Post by Bigbird
Hint: it does exist.
Does it, sorry to hear that, where's that then?
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Well I see your point I do however think this whole hype is going
Post by Edmund
way over the top. Here on TV there was another black man
whining about slavery and they did some research,guess what,
his ancestors belonged to a tribe that enslaved other blacks
and sold them. Hilarious! Where do you want to draw the line,
by women, because Eve eat the apple?
Exactly.
Exactly? Really?
Oh come on this whole thing is madness. There's a black lady in New
York yesterday saying how it will be wonderful when NY is free of the
police. What sort of idiot do you have to be to want to get rid of
the police? It would be a blood bath.
If the UK police were banished the very first thing I would do is
obtain firearms to protect my self and my family.
Post by Bigbird
So what "exactly" is your heritage?
Clearly not white privileged because that would be far to
stereotypical.
Yes, I'm white and proud and I've not harmed or damaged any person
from another race or culture. Where exactly is my white privilege? I
was lucky enough to be born into a civilised UK, that's it.
I went to school, I got a job, I worked hard all my life to provide
food and shelter. I retired.
Plenty of black and asian people I know have done better than me but
I don't resent that but I resent the idea that I'm privileged.
Isn't it somewhat ironic that a non-white man under the leadership of
an Aryan origin has gone on to be the richest sportsman in British
history? How he must have suffered.

Some interesting stuff here:

https://sdp.org.uk/sdptalk/black-lives-matter-how-should-we-respond/

#HistoryIsUs
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Bigbird
2020-06-13 13:49:30 UTC
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Isn't it somewhat ironic that a non-white man under the leadership of
an Aryan origin has gone on to be the richest sportsman in British
history?
Is it? do explain, without making yourself look like a racist prick, if
possible.

Is this ironic? "Lewis Hamilton scarred for life by childhood racist
abuse"

I am sure you think so.

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2019/oct/25/f1-lewis-hamilton-scarred-for-life-childhood-racist-abuse

Are you trying to imply racism doesn't exist because most people aren't
racist and people from minorities can succeed?
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2020-06-14 12:29:52 UTC
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Post by AnthonyL
Isn't it somewhat ironic that a non-white man under the leadership of
an Aryan origin has gone on to be the richest sportsman in British
history?
Is it? do explain, without making yourself look like a racist prick, if
possible.
Is this ironic? "Lewis Hamilton scarred for life by childhood racist
abuse"
I am sure you think so.
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2019/oct/25/f1-lewis-hamilton-scarred-for-life-childhood-racist-abuse
Are you trying to imply racism doesn't exist because most people aren't
racist and people from minorities can succeed?
I'm not saying he didn't get racial abuse. I'm saying that for all
the racism that has supposedly damaged him so much he is making his
best impression under an Ayran white guy for a German team. That's a
good thing because it means in that arena racism isn't prevalent and
Hamilton is not the right person to be squealing about it.

If Hamilton had understood any history he wouldn't even have
considered for a minute to take up the position he has as a matter of
principle if he was so scarred.

He should shut up and stick to doing what he does best and does very
well at.
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Bigbird
2020-06-14 12:53:21 UTC
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Isn't it somewhat ironic that a non-white man under the leadership
of >> an Aryan origin has gone on to be the richest sportsman in
British >> history?
Post by Bigbird
Is it? do explain, without making yourself look like a racist
prick, if possible.
Is this ironic? "Lewis Hamilton scarred for life by childhood racist
abuse"
I am sure you think so.
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2019/oct/25/f1-lewis-hamilton-scarred-for-life-childhood-racist-abuse
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Post by Bigbird
Are you trying to imply racism doesn't exist because most people
aren't racist and people from minorities can succeed?
I'm not saying he didn't get racial abuse. I'm saying that for all
the racism that has supposedly damaged him so much he is making his
best impression under an Ayran white guy for a German team. That's a
good thing because it means in that arena racism isn't prevalent and
Hamilton is not the right person to be squealing about it.
What?!

You are saying because Mercedes is not systemically racist Hamilton
shouldn't have an opinion about racism?

Are you for real?

So because your wife is not a bitch you never criticise any women? Is
that analogous?
Post by AnthonyL
If Hamilton had understood any history he wouldn't even have
considered for a minute to take up the position he has as a matter of
principle if he was so scarred.
Why?

Are you of the opinion we should still be at war with Germany because
you "understand history".
Post by AnthonyL
He should shut up and stick to doing what he does best and does very
well at.
So what is your ongoing trauma that enables you to have an opinion?

Do you realise how fucking ridiculous you sound?

You fluffed.
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Bob Latham
2020-06-14 14:02:53 UTC
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I'm not saying he didn't get racial abuse. I'm saying that for all
the racism that has supposedly damaged him so much he is making his
best impression under an Ayran white guy for a German team. That's a
good thing because it means in that arena racism isn't prevalent and
Hamilton is not the right person to be squealing about it.
If Hamilton had understood any history he wouldn't even have
considered for a minute to take up the position he has as a matter of
principle if he was so scarred.
He should shut up and stick to doing what he does best and does very
well at.
I've been a serious Lewis fan since he came to f1. I spent as much
time shouting 'come on Lewis' as I did for Nigel. Now for the first
time I feel very disappointed and let down. Thinking he's in effect
saying I have white privilege whilst he lives in a tax haven and has
his own plane.

He advocates violence and riots that are BLM and thinks he has the
right to remove/damage monuments.

Very, very sad but not a Lewis fan any more.

Nothing to do with race, everything to do with behaviour.


Bob.
Bigbird
2020-06-14 19:40:31 UTC
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He advocates violence and riots that are BLM and thinks he has the
right to remove/damage monuments.
Would you mind citing what you have been reading?

Your account appears somewhat coloured.

Seeing as you attempted to colour me as an extreme leftist with zero
evidence suggesting that was anything but a lie your judgement and what
colours it is somewhat in question.

I only read that he agreed with the tearing down of the statue of a
slaver.
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Very, very sad but not a Lewis fan any more.
Nothing to do with race, everything to do with behaviour.
Offended by anti-racism? I doubt he'll miss you.
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AnthonyL
2020-06-15 11:16:18 UTC
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Post by AnthonyL
I'm not saying he didn't get racial abuse. I'm saying that for all
the racism that has supposedly damaged him so much he is making his
best impression under an Ayran white guy for a German team. That's a
good thing because it means in that arena racism isn't prevalent and
Hamilton is not the right person to be squealing about it.
If Hamilton had understood any history he wouldn't even have
considered for a minute to take up the position he has as a matter of
principle if he was so scarred.
He should shut up and stick to doing what he does best and does very
well at.
I've been a serious Lewis fan since he came to f1. I spent as much
time shouting 'come on Lewis' as I did for Nigel. Now for the first
time I feel very disappointed and let down. Thinking he's in effect
saying I have white privilege whilst he lives in a tax haven and has
his own plane.
He advocates violence and riots that are BLM and thinks he has the
right to remove/damage monuments.
Very, very sad but not a Lewis fan any more.
Nothing to do with race, everything to do with behaviour.
Thank you for understanding my point.
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geoff
2020-06-15 23:41:42 UTC
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Post by AnthonyL
I'm not saying he didn't get racial abuse. I'm saying that for all
the racism that has supposedly damaged him so much he is making his
best impression under an Ayran white guy for a German team. That's a
good thing because it means in that arena racism isn't prevalent and
Hamilton is not the right person to be squealing about it.
If Hamilton had understood any history he wouldn't even have
considered for a minute to take up the position he has as a matter of
principle if he was so scarred.
He should shut up and stick to doing what he does best and does very
well at.
I've been a serious Lewis fan since he came to f1. I spent as much
time shouting 'come on Lewis' as I did for Nigel. Now for the first
time I feel very disappointed and let down. Thinking he's in effect
saying I have white privilege whilst he lives in a tax haven and has
his own plane.
He advocates violence and riots that are BLM and thinks he has the
right to remove/damage monuments.
Very, very sad but not a Lewis fan any more.
Nothing to do with race, everything to do with behaviour.
Thank you for understanding my point.
Good to see you two happily sucking each other off.

Grateful quote where LH advocates violence and riots.

geoff
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2020-06-16 00:05:35 UTC
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Good to see you two happily sucking each other off.
Good? You fucking faggot.
geoff
2020-06-14 21:24:50 UTC
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I'm not saying he didn't get racial abuse. I'm saying that for all
the racism that has supposedly damaged him so much he is making his
best impression under an Ayran white guy for a German team. That's a
good thing because it means in that arena racism isn't prevalent and
Hamilton is not the right person to be squealing about it.
So because his circumstances have been different to most, he shouldn't
have an opinion or conscience ?
Post by AnthonyL
If Hamilton had understood any history he wouldn't even have
considered for a minute to take up the position he has as a matter of
principle if he was so scarred.
So anybody who understands history or has had experience of a problem
should be allowed to have or express an opinion ?
Post by AnthonyL
He should shut up and stick to doing what he does best and does very
well at.
Naughty darky eh ?

geoff
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2020-06-15 02:30:31 UTC
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Naughty darky
you racist piece of shit
Yousuf Khan
2020-06-14 12:43:21 UTC
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He wants people to tear down statues of white heroes
with links to slavery....
Good, so what's wrong with that?
Nothing, always a good idea trying to erase and change the history :-)
Not erase, but to acknowledge the reality of those historical figures
that have had their histories whitewashed over the years.

Yousuf Khan
Calum
2020-06-16 16:42:59 UTC
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He wants people to tear down statues of white heroes
with links to slavery....
Good, so what's wrong with that?
Nothing, always a good idea trying to erase and change the history :-)
Removing statues changes nothing, it just means we don't want to
celebrate the same parts of our history that we used to.
Bob Latham
2020-06-16 17:03:49 UTC
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Removing statues changes nothing, it just means we don't want to
celebrate the same parts of our history that we used to.
Who is "we" ?

Has there been a vote on this?


Bob.
Philip
2020-06-11 13:25:49 UTC
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He wants people to tear down statues of white heroes
with links to slavery....
Good, so what's wrong with that?
Well, firstly I suspect that it has much more to do with the fact that he
knows that he will never get a "K" as a tax dodger, so he's trying another
route, rather than actually having any deeply held views on the matter.

Secondly, I'm a bit uneasy with any attempt to rewrite history, especially
when it's done by mob rule rather than as a result of reasoned debate and
democratic agreement.

Thirdly, I think that there are far more important ways to deal with the
dreadful injustices of racism than tearing down a few old statues. Smacks
of tokenism - "we've taken down a few statues, renamed a couple of
places/streets, so that's racism sorted out. Let's move on to something
else". The effort that's going in to removing statues would be better spent
tackling economic and social deprevation, etc.
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2020-06-14 12:57:56 UTC
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Thirdly, I think that there are far more important ways to deal with the
dreadful injustices of racism than tearing down a few old statues. Smacks
of tokenism - "we've taken down a few statues, renamed a couple of
places/streets, so that's racism sorted out. Let's move on to something
else". The effort that's going in to removing statues would be better spent
tackling economic and social deprevation, etc.
Maybe it's tokenism, but in the case of Christopher Columbus, it was
tokenism that led to him having statues in the first place. The United
States is just full of Columbus statues, you could say it's infested
with them! But why? Columbus never stepped foot in any land that is now
a part of the territory of the USA. Yet he is credited with
"discovering" it? Never mind the fact that that land was inhabited for
tens of thousands of years by people, so how do you discover something
that already had people living there. Even if you're just going on the
criterion of "first European" to discover America, then even there he
falls short, as the Vikings were there 500 years before him, yet no
statues of Leif Erikson (which is the appropriate situation, he deserves
no statues either). Columbus deserves statues or paintings in museums
only, not out in public squares in cities throughout the US.

Even the country named after Columbus, Columbia, doesn't have as many
public statues of Columbus as the US has. The US has built a mythology
of its own superiority around Columbus, which definitely needs to stop now.

Yousuf Khan
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2020-06-14 13:59:11 UTC
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Even if you're just going on the criterion of "first European" to
discover America, then even there he falls short, as the Vikings were
there 500 years before him, yet no statues of Leif Erikson (which is
the appropriate situation, he deserves no statues either).
Yes, there are, mostly in US cities with a significant population of
Nordic descent of course.
Columbus deserves statues or paintings in museums only, not out in
public squares in cities throughout the US.
Agreed, but there's a lot of pushback. Lionizing Columbus was a big
part of the ritual Americanization of immigrant Italians - and hence
their admission into "whiteness."
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2020-06-16 16:47:15 UTC
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Secondly, I'm a bit uneasy with any attempt to rewrite history, especially
when it's done by mob rule rather than as a result of reasoned debate and
democratic agreement.
People were trying to get the Colston statue taken down via official
channels when I lived in Bristol, and that was over 20 years ago.

Removing statues does nothing to rewrite history, and nor should it. It
just means there are parts of it that we no longer feel the need to
celebrate or glorify, and moving statues to more suitable locations --
whether that's a museum, or a scrap heap -- is one relatively simple way
to reflect that.
FB
2020-06-13 23:39:45 UTC
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He wants people to tear down statues of white heroes
with links to slavery....
then he shouldn't drive for a german car company that used slaves 75
years ago...

FB
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2020-06-13 23:50:36 UTC
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then he shouldn't drive for a german car company that used slaves 75
years ago...
Do explain your reasoning...
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It seems to me that when a young black man tells me he has been scarred
by racism when growing up in this country, given my own experiences, I
am more inclined to believe and sympathise with him that the likes of
Bob Latham and Edmund and AnthonyL who variously deny racism exists
and/or blame the victims.
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2020-06-15 02:28:46 UTC
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It seems to me that when a young black man tells me he has been scarred
by racism when growing up in this country, given my own experiences, I
am more inclined to believe and sympathise with him that the likes of
Bob Latham and Edmund and AnthonyL who variously deny racism exists
and/or blame the victims.
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fuck off
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2020-06-16 03:16:46 UTC
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Post by Bigbird
It seems to me that when a young black man tells me he has been scarred
by racism when growing up in this country, given my own experiences, I
am more inclined to believe and sympathise with him that the likes of
Bob Latham and Edmund and AnthonyL who variously deny racism exists
and/or blame the victims.
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fuck off
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