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Pit Error - The Definitive Word
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Heron
2020-09-07 13:20:54 UTC
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Analysis: Mercedes warned Hamilton not to
come into the pits four seconds too late
https://www.racefans.net/2020/09/07/analysis-mercedes-warned-hamilton-not-to-come-into-the-pits-four-seconds-too-late
Alan Baker
2020-09-07 18:57:05 UTC
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Analysis: Mercedes warned Hamilton not to
come into the pits four seconds too late
https://www.racefans.net/2020/09/07/analysis-mercedes-warned-hamilton-not-to-come-into-the-pits-four-seconds-too-late
Knowing where the signaling stations are and obeying the signals they
display is the driver's responsibility.
Dan the Man
2020-09-08 16:22:11 UTC
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Analysis: Mercedes warned Hamilton not to
come into the pits four seconds too late
https://www.racefans.net/2020/09/07/analysis-mercedes-warned-hamilton-not-to-come-into-the-pits-four-seconds-too-late
Knowing where the signaling stations are and obeying the signals they
display is the driver's responsibility.
Karun Chandok covered that topic; he analyzed the in-car video showing that the two warning signs for the pits were visible, though easy to miss if you're not looking for them. Nevertheless, it was HAM's and GIO's responsibility to see them.

Dan
Heron
2020-09-08 17:12:28 UTC
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Analysis: Mercedes warned Hamilton not to
come into the pits four seconds too late
https://www.racefans.net/2020/09/07/analysis-mercedes-warned-hamilton-not-to-come-into-the-pits-four-seconds-too-late
Knowing where the signaling stations are and obeying the signals they
display is the driver's responsibility.
Karun Chandok covered that topic; he analyzed the in-car video showing that the two warning signs for the pits were visible, though easy to miss if you're not looking for them.
Even Jenson Button admitted he had never seen anything like it.
Post by Dan the Man
Nevertheless, it was HAM's and GIO's responsibility to see them.
Dan
Lewis' closest competitor was more than 10 seconds behind him.
He was called into the pits, and the team apologized to Lewis
for their mistake, nevertheless he has accepted responsibility.
Alan Baker
2020-09-08 18:24:07 UTC
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Analysis: Mercedes warned Hamilton not to
come into the pits four seconds too late
https://www.racefans.net/2020/09/07/analysis-mercedes-warned-hamilton-not-to-come-into-the-pits-four-seconds-too-late
Knowing where the signaling stations are and obeying the signals they
display is the driver's responsibility.
Karun Chandok covered that topic; he analyzed the in-car video showing
that the two warning signs for the pits were visible, though easy to
miss if you're not looking for them.
Even Jenson Button admitted he had never seen anything like it.
What PRECISELY did he say?

Because I guarantee it wasn't about the position of the signals...

...which were at the standard marshaling positions...

...which every driver knows he has to check every time.

Checking each marshaling station you pass is an essential part of your
job as a racing driver. It's fundamental. Something you learn from
literally the first moment you take a lap in a racing car.
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Post by Dan the Man
Nevertheless, it was HAM's and GIO's responsibility to see them.
Dan
Lewis' closest competitor was more than 10 seconds behind him.
He was called into the pits, and the team apologized to Lewis
for their mistake, nevertheless he has accepted responsibility.
Bully for him!

Accepting responsibility...

...after going to complain to the stewards...

...and getting shot down.
Edmund
2020-09-08 20:14:24 UTC
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Analysis: Mercedes warned Hamilton not to
come into the pits four seconds too late
https://www.racefans.net/2020/09/07/analysis-mercedes-warned-hamilton-not-to-come-into-the-pits-four-seconds-too-late
Knowing where the signaling stations are and obeying the signals they
display is the driver's responsibility.
Karun Chandok covered that topic; he analyzed the in-car video showing
that the two warning signs for the pits were visible, though easy to
miss if you're not looking for them.
Even Jenson Button admitted he had never seen anything like it.
Post by Dan the Man
Nevertheless, it was HAM's and GIO's responsibility to see them.
Dan
Lewis' closest competitor was more than 10 seconds behind him.
He was called into the pits, and the team apologized to Lewis
Yup, just like the team apologized to the ignorant negro after they told
him repeatedly to stay out....
Whining whining whining he wanted to come in, they team obeyed ... he
lost and the team again apologized for obeying him, how funny that was :-)

Edmund
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the more it will hate those who speak it”

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geoff
2020-09-08 21:48:57 UTC
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Yup, just like the team apologized to the ignorant negro after they told
him repeatedly to stay out....
Whining whining whining he wanted to come in, they team obeyed ... he
lost and the team again apologized for obeying him, how funny that was :-)
Edmund
Best lay off that meth Eddie.

geoff
Edmund
2020-09-08 22:19:32 UTC
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Yup, just like the team apologized to the ignorant negro after they
told him repeatedly to stay out....
Whining whining whining he wanted to come in, they team obeyed ... he
lost and the team again apologized for obeying him, how funny that was :-)
Edmund
Best lay off that meth Eddie.
Why don't you try to prove me wrong?
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geoff
Edmund
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the more it will hate those who speak it”

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Alan Baker
2020-09-08 22:25:28 UTC
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Yup, just like the team apologized to the ignorant negro after they
told him repeatedly to stay out....
Whining whining whining he wanted to come in, they team obeyed ... he
lost and the team again apologized for obeying him, how funny that was :-)
Edmund
Best lay off that meth Eddie.
Why don't you try to prove me wrong?
I won't bother trying to prove any thing to a bigot, but you are wrong.

The team called for him to box and Hamilton simply told them his tire
preference.
Edmund
2020-09-09 06:56:11 UTC
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Yup, just like the team apologized to the ignorant negro after they
told him repeatedly to stay out....
Whining whining whining he wanted to come in, they team obeyed ...
he lost and the team again apologized for obeying him, how funny
that was :-)
Edmund
Best lay off that meth Eddie.
Why don't you try to prove me wrong?
I won't bother trying to prove any thing to a bigot, but you are wrong.
The team called for him to box and Hamilton simply told them his tire
preference.
Well that's one way of putting it :-)

Edmund
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“The further a society drift from the truth,
the more it will hate those who speak it”

George Orwell
geoff
2020-09-08 23:01:31 UTC
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Yup, just like the team apologized to the ignorant negro after they
told him repeatedly to stay out....
Whining whining whining he wanted to come in, they team obeyed ... he
lost and the team again apologized for obeying him, how funny that was :-)
Edmund
Best lay off that meth Eddie.
Why don't you try to prove me wrong?
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geoff
Edmund
Prove that HAM is not an "ignorant negro" ?

No thanks, won't indulge in that level of discussion.

geoff
Alan Baker
2020-09-08 22:21:49 UTC
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Post by Edmund
Yup, just like the team apologized to the ignorant negro after they
told him repeatedly to stay out....
Whining whining whining he wanted to come in, they team obeyed ... he
lost and the team again apologized for obeying him, how funny that was :-)
Edmund
Best lay off that meth Eddie.
geoff
I'm glad you said it.
Sir Tim
2020-09-09 07:34:06 UTC
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Post by Heron
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Post by Heron
Analysis: Mercedes warned Hamilton not to
come into the pits four seconds too late
https://www.racefans.net/2020/09/07/analysis-mercedes-warned-hamilton-not-to-come-into-the-pits-four-seconds-too-late
Knowing where the signaling stations are and obeying the signals they
display is the driver's responsibility.
Karun Chandok covered that topic; he analyzed the in-car video showing
that the two warning signs for the pits were visible, though easy to
miss if you're not looking for them.
Even Jenson Button admitted he had never seen anything like it.
Post by Dan the Man
Nevertheless, it was HAM's and GIO's responsibility to see them.
Dan
Lewis' closest competitor was more than 10 seconds behind him.
He was called into the pits, and the team apologized to Lewis
Yup, just like the team apologized to the ignorant negro after they told
him repeatedly to stay out....
Whining whining whining he wanted to come in, they team obeyed ... he
lost and the team again apologized for obeying him, how funny that was :-)
Edmund
So you, despicable little man, finally admit what most of us have long
suspected i.e. that your hatred of Hamilton is based on the colour of his
skin.
--
Sir Tim
Edmund
2020-09-09 08:54:13 UTC
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Post by Heron
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Post by Alan Baker
Post by Heron
Analysis: Mercedes warned Hamilton not to
come into the pits four seconds too late
https://www.racefans.net/2020/09/07/analysis-mercedes-warned-hamilton-not-to-come-into-the-pits-four-seconds-too-late
Knowing where the signaling stations are and obeying the signals they
display is the driver's responsibility.
Karun Chandok covered that topic; he analyzed the in-car video showing
that the two warning signs for the pits were visible, though easy to
miss if you're not looking for them.
Even Jenson Button admitted he had never seen anything like it.
Post by Dan the Man
Nevertheless, it was HAM's and GIO's responsibility to see them.
Dan
Lewis' closest competitor was more than 10 seconds behind him.
He was called into the pits, and the team apologized to Lewis
Yup, just like the team apologized to the ignorant negro after they told
him repeatedly to stay out....
Whining whining whining he wanted to come in, they team obeyed ... he
lost and the team again apologized for obeying him, how funny that was :-)
Edmund
So you, despicable little man, finally admit what most of us have long
suspected i.e. that your hatred of Hamilton is based on the colour of his
skin.
Don't be ridiculous man, I treat everyone the same although I know that
precisely that is labeled as racist nowadays. Louise (good name for that
drama queen) himself started calling people ignorant for saying that
some blacks are more racist than whites.
Louise himself started whining about his color and how disadvantaged he
was because of it.
He himself dresses in the clothes of a violent rioting movement.
Speaking of ignorance!
You know what, I don’t even blame him entirely for his extreme
ignorance, I can understand he didn’t notice much of the real world in
the very privileged bubble where he grew up.
I do however think he is a ignorant hypocrite and that is entirely due
to his behavior, I don’t care if he is red yellow black white or purple.

Edmund
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“The further a society drift from the truth,
the more it will hate those who speak it”

George Orwell
alister
2020-09-09 09:33:29 UTC
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Analysis: Mercedes warned Hamilton not to come into the pits four
seconds too late
https://www.racefans.net/2020/09/07/analysis-mercedes-warned-
hamilton-not-to-come-into-the-pits-four-seconds-too-late
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Post by Sir Tim
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Post by Heron
Post by Dan the Man
Post by Alan Baker
Knowing where the signaling stations are and obeying the signals
they display is the driver's responsibility.
Karun Chandok covered that topic; he analyzed the in-car video
showing that the two warning signs for the pits were visible, though
easy to miss if you're not looking for them.
Even Jenson Button admitted he had never seen anything like it.
Post by Dan the Man
Nevertheless, it was HAM's and GIO's responsibility to see them.
Dan
Lewis' closest competitor was more than 10 seconds behind him. He was
called into the pits, and the team apologized to Lewis
Yup, just like the team apologized to the ignorant negro after they
told him repeatedly to stay out....
Whining whining whining he wanted to come in, they team obeyed ... he
lost and the team again apologized for obeying him, how funny that was :-)
Edmund
So you, despicable little man, finally admit what most of us have long
suspected i.e. that your hatred of Hamilton is based on the colour of
his skin.
Don't be ridiculous man, I treat everyone the same although I know that
precisely that is labeled as racist nowadays. Louise (good name for that
drama queen) himself started calling people ignorant for saying that
some blacks are more racist than whites.
Louise himself started whining about his color and how disadvantaged he
was because of it.
He himself dresses in the clothes of a violent rioting movement.
Speaking of ignorance!
You know what, I don’t even blame him entirely for his extreme
ignorance, I can understand he didn’t notice much of the real world in
the very privileged bubble where he grew up.
I do however think he is a ignorant hypocrite and that is entirely due
to his behavior, I don’t care if he is red yellow black white or purple.
Edmund
"ignorant Negro "
A pure bigoted mark with clearly intended racist overtones

Appeal dismissed, Guilty as charged
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to see what they did, and scale it down and run his life that way.
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Edmund
2020-09-09 09:45:26 UTC
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Post by Heron
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Post by Alan Baker
Analysis: Mercedes warned Hamilton not to come into the pits four
seconds too late
https://www.racefans.net/2020/09/07/analysis-mercedes-warned-
hamilton-not-to-come-into-the-pits-four-seconds-too-late
Post by Edmund
Post by Sir Tim
Post by Edmund
Post by Heron
Post by Dan the Man
Post by Alan Baker
Knowing where the signaling stations are and obeying the signals
they display is the driver's responsibility.
Karun Chandok covered that topic; he analyzed the in-car video
showing that the two warning signs for the pits were visible, though
easy to miss if you're not looking for them.
Even Jenson Button admitted he had never seen anything like it.
Post by Dan the Man
Nevertheless, it was HAM's and GIO's responsibility to see them.
Dan
Lewis' closest competitor was more than 10 seconds behind him. He was
called into the pits, and the team apologized to Lewis
Yup, just like the team apologized to the ignorant negro after they
told him repeatedly to stay out....
Whining whining whining he wanted to come in, they team obeyed ... he
lost and the team again apologized for obeying him, how funny that was :-)
Edmund
So you, despicable little man, finally admit what most of us have long
suspected i.e. that your hatred of Hamilton is based on the colour of
his skin.
Don't be ridiculous man, I treat everyone the same although I know that
precisely that is labeled as racist nowadays. Louise (good name for that
drama queen) himself started calling people ignorant for saying that
some blacks are more racist than whites.
Louise himself started whining about his color and how disadvantaged he
was because of it.
He himself dresses in the clothes of a violent rioting movement.
Speaking of ignorance!
You know what, I don’t even blame him entirely for his extreme
ignorance, I can understand he didn’t notice much of the real world in
the very privileged bubble where he grew up.
I do however think he is a ignorant hypocrite and that is entirely due
to his behavior, I don’t care if he is red yellow black white or purple.
Edmund
"ignorant Negro"
A pure bigoted mark with clearly intended racist overtones
Appeal dismissed, Guilty as charged
You simply don't get it do you, and for your information, I couldn't
care less about
the opinion of ignorant people who bluntly label everything as racists.

Edmund
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“The further a society drift from the truth,
the more it will hate those who speak it”

George Orwell
Mark
2020-09-09 11:10:55 UTC
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You simply don't get it do you, and for your information, I couldn't
care less about the opinion of ignorant people who bluntly label
everything as racists.
Edmund,

I keep out of these discussions as a rule. I won't stay silent on this,
though.

It is not possible to raise a racial epithet - particularly one that is
particularly charged - in response to an open debate and then saying
there is no racial meaning...which is what you've done.

Similarly, if people cannot call out such a situation without being
accused of labelling "everything" as racist, then nothing is racist.
That's simply untenable.

It's possible to accidentally use the wrong language, but the right
response is to back down and apologise. It's possible to (accidentally)
use racist language without being a racist...but to insist on using it
pretty much defines being a racist.

Personally, I would suggest retracting your comments and apologising, or
I think people are entitled to draw the obvious inference.

It's entirely up to you, however.

Mark
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2020-09-10 01:44:23 UTC
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Post by Edmund
You simply don't get it do you, and for your information, I couldn't
care less about the opinion of ignorant people who bluntly label
everything as racists.
Edmund,
I keep out of these discussions as a rule. I won't stay silent on this,
though.
It is not possible to raise a racial epithet - particularly one that is
particularly charged - in response to an open debate and then saying
there is no racial meaning...which is what you've done.
Similarly, if people cannot call out such a situation without being
accused of labelling "everything" as racist, then nothing is racist.
That's simply untenable.
It's possible to accidentally use the wrong language, but the right
response is to back down and apologise. It's possible to (accidentally)
use racist language without being a racist...but to insist on using it
pretty much defines being a racist.
Personally, I would suggest retracting your comments and apologising, or
I think people are entitled to draw the obvious inference.
It's entirely up to you, however.
Mark
Well said!

There's a reason this guy's been in my killfile longer even than Texarse.
--
Shaun.

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in the DSM"
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This is not an email and hasn't been checked for viruses by any half-arsed self-promoting software.
Edmund
2020-09-11 12:26:25 UTC
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Post by Edmund
You simply don't get it do you, and for your information, I couldn't
care less about the opinion of ignorant people who bluntly label
everything as racists.
Edmund,
I keep out of these discussions as a rule. I won't stay silent on this,
though.
Ah you are a man who lives by his principles I see
Post by Mark
It is not possible to raise a racial epithet - particularly one that is
particularly charged - in response to an open debate and then saying
there is no racial meaning...which is what you've done.
That is your opinion sir and I do not agree.
BTW it was Louise who introduced the “ racial” thing, not me, that is
exactly
the reason I replied the way I did.
About an “open debate”, there is nothing open about to try shutting up
people by labeling them as racists and consider the matter closed.
Post by Mark
Similarly, if people cannot call out such a situation without being
accused of labelling "everything" as racist, then nothing is racist.
That's simply untenable.
Again that is your opinion, we probably have VERY different opinions
about what
is racism and what is not but you will have a very hard time to find
anything at all in my entire life where I treated someone different
because of the color of a skin.
The things Louise said are so utterly absurd I have no words for it.
He is so incredibly privileged his entire life but doesn’t have the
faintest idea about it nor what is going on in the real world outside
his multi million dollar bubble.

He is calling people ignorant for saying very obvious things, claiming
and whining how
disadvantaged he is because of his skin color as if he is rescued from a
cotton field, he’s calling NORMAL people out for eating meat, how
delusional can a person be?
He alone has a carbon footprint of whole continent and is telling us to
stop eating meat to save the world!? Still I may not respond to this
kind of stupidity because that will make me a racist? Yeah right!
People riding the high horse and telling they don’t respond to bigots
racists or whatever are actually saying they have absolutely NOTHING to
say or debunk and therefore avoid speaking about the actual content by
disqualifying others.

So, try to find some kind of argument or something to debunk anything I
said, if you cannot come up with anything better then bluntly calling me
a racist, don’t bother.
Post by Mark
It's possible to accidentally use the wrong language, but the right
response is to back down and apologise. It's possible to (accidentally)
use racist language without being a racist...but to insist on using it
pretty much defines being a racist.
It’s equally possible you are a little oversensitive to the word negro,
if so, there is no shame in admitting that you are.
Post by Mark
Personally, I would suggest retracting your comments and apologising, or
I think people are entitled to draw the obvious inference.
It's entirely up to you, however.
At least you’ve got that part right!
Post by Mark
Mark
Edmund
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“The further a society drift from the truth,
the more it will hate those who speak it”

George Orwell
Mark
2020-09-11 13:50:26 UTC
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I keep out of these discussions as a rule. I won't stay silent on this,
though.
Ah you are a man who lives by his principles I see
I do. Rules are not principles, and self-imposed rules can always be
sidelined. As I have done on this occasion.

I suspect that based on your response, I am wasting my time in writing
this, but I'll give it one more go.
Post by Edmund
Post by Mark
It is not possible to raise a racial epithet - particularly one that is
particularly charged - in response to an open debate and then saying
there is no racial meaning...which is what you've done.
That is your opinion sir and I do not agree.
On which bit do you not agree?

That it's not racial? It's related to race, so I can't imagine you
disagree with that.

That it's a particularly charged epithet? I think that there is plenty
of objective evidence that this is a sensitive term to use given its
connection in the anglophone world (and we are using English, after all)
to the United States and its undeniable race issue over many years.

That you raised it? Clearly you did.

That you denied it was racial? I'm going to assume you won't claim you
haven't rejected it as racial.

So, I'm going to *guess* you're claiming it's possible to do all of the
first few things and yet the denial was valid.

If you want anyone to take you seriously on this, you have to more than
deny it. You have to explain your thinking and rebut or (if you can)
refute it.
Post by Edmund
BTW it was Louise...
Incidentally, the "Louise" thing is just juvenile. Seriously, cut it
out.
Post by Edmund
...who introduced the “ racial” thing, not me, that is
exactly the reason I replied the way I did.
How did he? I seem to remember a number of occasions (and I'm sure
there are more) from his very start in F1 when race was raised against
him not vice versa.
Post by Edmund
About an “open debate”, there is nothing open about to try shutting up
people by labeling them as racists and consider the matter closed.
Who is trying to close down an open debate?

I have suggested that you clarify your use of what I (strongly) believe
to be racially-motivated language and consider apologising for it.

At no point did I try to close down the debate.

I *do* now consider that (given this response) you are confirming that
you are racist.

That doesn't stop the debate. On the contrary, if I were you I'd think
about that and continue the debate in order to clarify your position.
Or, as I said in my last post, people will be entitled to draw their own
conclusions. I know that I have.
Post by Edmund
Post by Mark
Similarly, if people cannot call out such a situation without being
accused of labelling "everything" as racist, then nothing is racist.
That's simply untenable.
Again that is your opinion,
Yes. That's why I wrote it.
Post by Edmund
we probably have VERY different opinions
about what is racism and what is not but you will have a very hard
time to find anything at all in my entire life where I treated someone
different because of the color of a skin.
Would you use the same words to (say) Kimi Raikkonen as the ones that
have triggered this debate?

If not, you have treated Lewis Hamilton differently because of the
colour of his skin, have you not?
Post by Edmund
The things Louise said are so utterly absurd I have no words for it.
And yet you have put a *lot* of words out, but they are ad hominem
(and, I would say racist) attacks rather than addressing what you view
to be the absurdity of his argument.

What do you object to in his words?

If you explain that, there can be a reasonable debate which might come
to a reasonable outcome.

Calling him (offensive) names creates great heat and no light.
Post by Edmund
He is so incredibly privileged his entire life but doesn’t have the
faintest idea about it nor what is going on in the real world outside
his multi million dollar bubble.
He certainly hasn't been privileged his *entire* life, but certainly he
has become very privileged. Much as I'm not a fan of people famous for
one area using their platform unduly, he has a right to express his
political opinion on this and other things. If he gets it wrong,
address his opinion not his skin colour or his perceived race.
Post by Edmund
He is calling people ignorant for saying very obvious things, claiming
and whining how disadvantaged he is because of his skin color as if he
is rescued from a cotton field,
Again, the attachment to slave-related tropes.
Post by Edmund
he’s calling NORMAL people out for
eating meat, how delusional can a person be?
Lots of people campaign against meat eating, either entirely or in terms
of volume.

I don't see you campaigning against PETA.

I also don't see the connection between this and blatant attacks against
him personally.
Post by Edmund
He alone has a carbon footprint of whole continent and is telling us to
stop eating meat to save the world!? Still I may not respond to this
kind of stupidity because that will make me a racist? Yeah right!
No.

It's really easy to quote his views and explain why you think they're
batshit crazy. Pick them apart line by line, provide context and
explain why you believe he's wrong.

None of it requires calling him what you called him.

It is *that* which will make you a racist, not disagreeing with him.

See the difference?
Post by Edmund
People riding the high horse and telling they don’t respond to bigots
racists or whatever are actually saying they have absolutely NOTHING to
say or debunk and therefore avoid speaking about the actual content by
disqualifying others.
Well, I'm not one of them. I have been very clear on the matter, and I
*am* explaining my position.

I'm struggling to see what your argument is because you have just
insulted the person (ad hominem) rather than going to the point (ad
rem).

Just focus on _what_ you don't agree with and avoid just attacking _who_
you don't agree with
Post by Edmund
So, try to find some kind of argument or something to debunk anything I
said, if you cannot come up with anything better then bluntly calling me
a racist, don’t bother.
How's that?
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Post by Mark
It's possible to accidentally use the wrong language, but the right
response is to back down and apologise. It's possible to (accidentally)
use racist language without being a racist...but to insist on using it
pretty much defines being a racist.
It’s equally possible you are a little oversensitive to the word negro,
if so, there is no shame in admitting that you are.
If I am speaking Spanish (which I do), I have no problem with the word
as it simply means "black" and has no racial overtones that I am aware
of, at least in the way in which I employ it. (Of course, I am not a
native Spanish speaker, so if I am wrong I am happy to be corrected at
which stage I would apologise).

If I am speaking English, I will not use the word. It has significant
racial overtones, and it's inappropriate.

I have a simple "rule of thumb": I do not use a word to describe someone
that I have good reason to believe they will find offensive *unless* I
am trying to offend them...and even then, I would choose my word
carefully and proportionately, and have to live with the consequences of
insulting the person to that level.

There are few situations where you can go wrong with that principle in
my experience, and conversely going against that principle will get you
into trouble.

I have good reason to believe that black people will find that word
offensive, so I will not use it. I don't think that makes me
oversensitive.

I think that makes me: _respectful_.
Post by Edmund
Post by Mark
Personally, I would suggest retracting your comments and apologising, or
I think people are entitled to draw the obvious inference.
It's entirely up to you, however.
At least you’ve got that part right!
I think I have a lot more than that right.

Feel free to address my arguments above if you believe I'm wrong.

Remember: address the argument not the individual.
Alan Baker
2020-09-10 23:47:52 UTC
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Post by Edmund
Post by Heron
Post by Edmund
Post by Sir Tim
Post by Edmund
Post by Heron
Post by Dan the Man
Post by Alan Baker
Analysis: Mercedes warned Hamilton not to come into the pits four
seconds too late
https://www.racefans.net/2020/09/07/analysis-mercedes-warned-
hamilton-not-to-come-into-the-pits-four-seconds-too-late
Post by Edmund
Post by Sir Tim
Post by Edmund
Post by Heron
Post by Dan the Man
Post by Alan Baker
Knowing where the signaling stations are and obeying the signals
they display is the driver's responsibility.
Karun Chandok covered that topic; he analyzed the in-car video
showing that the two warning signs for the pits were visible, though
easy to miss if you're not looking for them.
Even Jenson Button admitted he had never seen anything like it.
Post by Dan the Man
Nevertheless, it was HAM's and GIO's responsibility to see them.
Dan
Lewis' closest competitor was more than 10 seconds behind him. He was
called into the pits, and the team apologized to Lewis
Yup, just like the team apologized to the ignorant negro after they
told him repeatedly to stay out....
Whining whining whining he wanted to come in, they team obeyed ... he
lost and the team again apologized for obeying him, how funny that was :-)
Edmund
So you, despicable little man, finally admit what most of us have long
suspected i.e. that your hatred of Hamilton is based on the colour of
his skin.
Don't be ridiculous man, I treat everyone the same although I know that
precisely that is labeled as racist nowadays. Louise (good name for that
drama queen) himself started calling people ignorant for saying that
some blacks are more racist than whites.
Louise himself started whining about his color and how disadvantaged he
was because of it.
He himself dresses in the clothes of a violent rioting movement.
Speaking of ignorance!
You know what, I don’t even blame him entirely for his extreme
ignorance, I can understand he didn’t notice much of the real world in
the very privileged bubble where he grew up.
I do however think he is a ignorant hypocrite and that is entirely due
to his behavior, I don’t care if he is red yellow black white or purple.
Edmund
"ignorant Negro"
A pure bigoted mark with clearly intended racist overtones
Appeal dismissed, Guilty as charged
You simply don't get it do you, and for your information, I couldn't
care less about
the opinion of ignorant people who bluntly label everything as racists.
No one here is labeling "everything as racists"...

...we're labeling the racist a racist, racist.
geoff
2020-09-09 10:27:40 UTC
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Post by Edmund
Post by Sir Tim
Post by Edmund
Post by Heron
Post by Dan the Man
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Heron
Analysis: Mercedes warned Hamilton not to
come into the pits four seconds too late
https://www.racefans.net/2020/09/07/analysis-mercedes-warned-hamilton-not-to-come-into-the-pits-four-seconds-too-late
Knowing where the signaling stations are and obeying the signals they
display is the driver's responsibility.
Karun Chandok covered that topic; he analyzed the in-car video showing
that the two warning signs for the pits were visible, though easy to
miss if you're not looking for them.
Even Jenson Button admitted he had never seen anything like it.
Post by Dan the Man
Nevertheless, it was HAM's and GIO's responsibility to see them.
Dan
Lewis' closest competitor was more than 10 seconds behind him.
He was called into the pits, and the team apologized to Lewis
Yup, just like the team apologized to the ignorant negro after they told
him repeatedly to stay out....
Whining whining whining he wanted to come in, they team obeyed ... he
lost and the team again apologized for obeying him, how funny that was :-)
Edmund
So you, despicable little man, finally admit what most of us have long
suspected i.e. that your hatred of Hamilton is based on the colour of his
skin.
Don't be ridiculous man, I treat everyone the same although I know that
precisely that is labeled as racist nowadays. Louise (good name for that
drama queen) himself started calling people ignorant for saying that
some blacks are more racist than whites.
Louise himself started whining about his color and how disadvantaged he
was because of it.
He himself dresses in the clothes of a violent rioting movement.
Speaking of ignorance!
"Of ignorance" ?!!!

geoff
FB
2020-09-09 12:38:18 UTC
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Post by Edmund
Don't be ridiculous man, I treat everyone the same although I know
that precisely that is labeled as racist nowadays. Louise (good name
for that drama queen) himself started calling people ignorant for
saying that some blacks are more racist than whites.
Louise himself started whining about his color and how disadvantaged
he was because of it.
He himself dresses in the clothes of a violent rioting movement.
Speaking of ignorance!
You know what, I don’t even blame him entirely for his extreme
ignorance, I can understand he didn’t notice much of the real world in
the very privileged bubble where he grew up.
I do however think he is a ignorant hypocrite and that is entirely due
to his behavior, I don’t care if he is red yellow black white or purple.
Edmund
try calling Bottas a "dumb blonde" and let´s see how many "racist" cries
you´ll get... ;)

FB
Bob Latham
2020-09-09 13:13:21 UTC
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Post by Edmund
Don't be ridiculous man, I treat everyone the same although I
know that precisely that is labeled as racist nowadays. Louise
(good name for that drama queen) himself started calling people
ignorant for saying that some blacks are more racist than
whites. Louise himself started whining about his color and how
disadvantaged he was because of it. He himself dresses in the
clothes of a violent rioting movement. Speaking of ignorance! You
know what, I don‘t even blame him entirely for his extreme
ignorance, I can understand he didn‘t notice much of the real
world in the very privileged bubble where he grew up. I do
however think he is a ignorant hypocrite and that is entirely due
to his behavior, I don‘t care if he is red yellow black white or
purple.
Edmund
Yes, I have to say I think that is indeed both accurate and fair.

Bob.
~misfit~
2020-09-10 01:46:02 UTC
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Post by Edmund
Don't be ridiculous man, I treat everyone the same although I
know that precisely that is labeled as racist nowadays. Louise
(good name for that drama queen) himself started calling people
ignorant for saying that some blacks are more racist than
whites. Louise himself started whining about his color and how
disadvantaged he was because of it. He himself dresses in the
clothes of a violent rioting movement. Speaking of ignorance! You
know what, I don‘t even blame him entirely for his extreme
ignorance, I can understand he didn‘t notice much of the real
world in the very privileged bubble where he grew up. I do
however think he is a ignorant hypocrite and that is entirely due
to his behavior, I don‘t care if he is red yellow black white or
purple.
Edmund
Yes, I have to say I think that is indeed both accurate and fair.
So you think it's accurate and fair to call him Louise Babs?
--
Shaun.

"Humans will have advanced a long, long way when religious belief has a cozy little classification
in the DSM"
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Bob Latham
2020-09-10 08:41:51 UTC
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Post by ~misfit~
Post by Bob Latham
Post by Edmund
Don't be ridiculous man, I treat everyone the same although I
know that precisely that is labeled as racist nowadays. Louise
(good name for that drama queen) himself started calling people
ignorant for saying that some blacks are more racist than
whites. Louise himself started whining about his color and how
disadvantaged he was because of it. He himself dresses in the
clothes of a violent rioting movement. Speaking of ignorance! You
know what, I dont even blame him entirely for his extreme
ignorance, I can understand he didnt notice much of the real
world in the very privileged bubble where he grew up. I do
however think he is a ignorant hypocrite and that is entirely due
to his behavior, I dont care if he is red yellow black white or
purple.
Edmund
Yes, I have to say I think that is indeed both accurate and fair.
So you think it's accurate and fair to call him Louise Babs?
Not particularly, I'm not too keen on name calling for anyone. But
for me, that was not the key part of the comment, it wasn't
significant.

However, running to the stewards on Sunday was a bit cry baby.

Bob.
Brian Lawrence
2020-09-10 10:21:57 UTC
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Post by Bob Latham
However, running to the stewards on Sunday was a bit cry baby.
Drivers are able to discuss penalties with the stewards whenever
they wish, and the stewards welcome visits from the drivers. This
was unusual in that it was mid-race and TV viewers were able to
see that Hamilton paid them a visit. I doubt that such a visit had
been seen live before, but that doesn't mean it was unique.

Bear in mind that he apparently was unaware that there were two
status boards on the outside of Parabolica. He wasn't alone in
that, much of the paddock were unsure as well - even though it
is in the Notes and it is mentioned at the Drivers Briefing. I
imagine most drivers don't 'read the small print' or listen to
the briefing which, of necessity, repeats most of the information
that was dealt with at all of the previous events.

Do we know for certain that Giovinazzi didn't do the same thing?

Why does no one moan about GIO missing the LED screens too?

Keith Collantine muses about why Alfa got it wrong here:


<https://www.racefans.net/2020/09/09/mercedes-pit-error-was-understandable-alfa-romeos-was-not/>

There is also this:


<https://www.racefans.net/2020/09/06/why-hamilton-queried-10-second-stop-go-penalty-in-the-italian-gp/>
Mark
2020-09-10 11:33:18 UTC
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Post by Brian Lawrence
Post by Bob Latham
However, running to the stewards on Sunday was a bit cry baby.
Drivers are able to discuss penalties with the stewards whenever
they wish, and the stewards welcome visits from the drivers. This
was unusual in that it was mid-race and TV viewers were able to
see that Hamilton paid them a visit. I doubt that such a visit had
been seen live before, but that doesn't mean it was unique.
I'm certain that I've seen it before during red flagged periods. It
makes sense to get evidence early to avoid lengthy appeals ("but if we
had known that, we could have taken a different view") later.

While I think it's a little unfortunate for Hamilton, I think that they
had no choice but to apply it, and the fact that they heard from him at
that stage makes it a more satisfactory situation.
Post by Brian Lawrence
Bear in mind that he apparently was unaware that there were two
status boards on the outside of Parabolica. He wasn't alone in
that, much of the paddock were unsure as well - even though it
is in the Notes and it is mentioned at the Drivers Briefing. I
imagine most drivers don't 'read the small print' or listen to
the briefing which, of necessity, repeats most of the information
that was dealt with at all of the previous events.
I think it's understandable which is why (along with timing) he was
unfortunate. The thing is, ignorance is not a defence. The fact that
most people probably didn't see the boards and were reliant on the calls
from their engineers doesn't matter...until a mistake is made.
Post by Brian Lawrence
Do we know for certain that Giovinazzi didn't do the same thing?
We don't.
Post by Brian Lawrence
Why does no one moan about GIO missing the LED screens too?
Frankly, being the reigning champion makes you a focus of attention.
There may be other reasons, but whoever is at the front will take more
criticism.
Post by Brian Lawrence
<https://www.racefans.net/2020/09/09/mercedes-pit-error-was-understandable-alfa-romeos-was-not/>
<https://www.racefans.net/2020/09/06/why-hamilton-queried-10-second-stop-go-penalty-in-the-italian-gp/>
Both very interesting. The big question hanging is why it is taking
teams so long. My understanding is that the information was sent around
quite fast, but that the way it's transmitted isn't necessarily picked
up immediately; based on comments during the race, it was suggested that
an electronic alert appears somewhere other than on the pit wall and the
lag was to do with alerting the pit wall. I would like to know if
that's true and, if so, what teams can do to avoid this for the future.
~misfit~
2020-09-11 00:34:53 UTC
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Post by Mark
Post by Brian Lawrence
Post by Bob Latham
However, running to the stewards on Sunday was a bit cry baby.
Drivers are able to discuss penalties with the stewards whenever
they wish, and the stewards welcome visits from the drivers. This
was unusual in that it was mid-race and TV viewers were able to
see that Hamilton paid them a visit. I doubt that such a visit had
been seen live before, but that doesn't mean it was unique.
I'm certain that I've seen it before during red flagged periods. It
makes sense to get evidence early to avoid lengthy appeals ("but if we
had known that, we could have taken a different view") later.
While I think it's a little unfortunate for Hamilton, I think that they
had no choice but to apply it, and the fact that they heard from him at
that stage makes it a more satisfactory situation.
Post by Brian Lawrence
Bear in mind that he apparently was unaware that there were two
status boards on the outside of Parabolica. He wasn't alone in
that, much of the paddock were unsure as well - even though it
is in the Notes and it is mentioned at the Drivers Briefing. I
imagine most drivers don't 'read the small print' or listen to
the briefing which, of necessity, repeats most of the information
that was dealt with at all of the previous events.
I think it's understandable which is why (along with timing) he was
unfortunate. The thing is, ignorance is not a defence. The fact that
most people probably didn't see the boards and were reliant on the calls
from their engineers doesn't matter...until a mistake is made.
Post by Brian Lawrence
Do we know for certain that Giovinazzi didn't do the same thing?
We don't.
Post by Brian Lawrence
Why does no one moan about GIO missing the LED screens too?
Frankly, being the reigning champion makes you a focus of attention.
There may be other reasons, but whoever is at the front will take more
criticism.
Post by Brian Lawrence
<https://www.racefans.net/2020/09/09/mercedes-pit-error-was-understandable-alfa-romeos-was-not/>
<https://www.racefans.net/2020/09/06/why-hamilton-queried-10-second-stop-go-penalty-in-the-italian-gp/>
Both very interesting. The big question hanging is why it is taking
teams so long. My understanding is that the information was sent around
quite fast, but that the way it's transmitted isn't necessarily picked
up immediately; based on comments during the race, it was suggested that
an electronic alert appears somewhere other than on the pit wall and the
lag was to do with alerting the pit wall. I would like to know if
that's true and, if so, what teams can do to avoid this for the future.
Toto said the pit lane in red showed up "on the fourth screen" which shows track status and that by
the time it was noticed (by a team member in the UK who frantically contacted the pit wall) the
call had been made and Hamilton was in pit entry.

They can't watch all of the FIA screens all of the time with the few crew they have on the pit
wall. Maybe it should have been on 'the first screen'?
--
Shaun.

"Humans will have advanced a long, long way when religious belief has a cozy little classification
in the DSM"
David Melville

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Alan Baker
2020-09-11 00:37:55 UTC
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Post by ~misfit~
Post by Brian Lawrence
Post by Bob Latham
However, running to the stewards on Sunday was a bit cry baby.
Drivers are able to discuss penalties with the stewards whenever
they wish, and the stewards welcome visits from the drivers. This
was unusual in that it was mid-race and TV viewers were able to
see that Hamilton paid them a visit. I doubt that such a visit had
been seen live before, but that doesn't mean it was unique.
I'm certain that I've seen it before during red flagged periods.  It
makes sense to get evidence early to avoid lengthy appeals ("but if we
had known that, we could have taken a different view") later.
While I think it's a little unfortunate for Hamilton, I think that they
had no choice but to apply it, and the fact that they heard from him at
that stage makes it a more satisfactory situation.
Post by Brian Lawrence
Bear in mind that he apparently was unaware that there were two
status boards on the outside of Parabolica. He wasn't alone in
that, much of the paddock were unsure as well - even though it
is in the Notes and it is mentioned at the Drivers Briefing. I
imagine most drivers don't 'read the small print' or listen to
the briefing which, of necessity, repeats most of the information
that was dealt with at all of the previous events.
I think it's understandable which is why (along with timing) he was
unfortunate.  The thing is, ignorance is not a defence.  The fact that
most people probably didn't see the boards and were reliant on the calls
from their engineers doesn't matter...until a mistake is made.
Post by Brian Lawrence
Do we know for certain that Giovinazzi didn't do the same thing?
We don't.
Post by Brian Lawrence
Why does no one moan about GIO missing the LED screens too?
Frankly, being the reigning champion makes you a focus of attention.
There may be other reasons, but whoever is at the front will take more
criticism.
Post by Brian Lawrence
<https://www.racefans.net/2020/09/09/mercedes-pit-error-was-understandable-alfa-romeos-was-not/>
<https://www.racefans.net/2020/09/06/why-hamilton-queried-10-second-stop-go-penalty-in-the-italian-gp/>
Both very interesting.  The big question hanging is why it is taking
teams so long.  My understanding is that the information was sent around
quite fast, but that the way it's transmitted isn't necessarily picked
up immediately; based on comments during the race, it was suggested that
an electronic alert appears somewhere other than on the pit wall and the
lag was to do with alerting the pit wall.  I would like to know if
that's true and, if so, what teams can do to avoid this for the future.
Toto said the pit lane in red showed up "on the fourth screen" which
shows track status and that by the time it was noticed (by a team member
in the UK who frantically contacted the pit wall) the call had been made
and Hamilton was in pit entry.
They can't watch all of the FIA screens all of the time with the few
crew they have on the pit wall. Maybe it should have been on 'the first
screen'?
I wonder how programmable the screens that display the official
information are. Can the teams just display the data "verbatim", or can
then customize?
CS
2020-09-11 06:36:02 UTC
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Toto said the pit lane in red showed up "on the fourth screen"
Well, that is pretty dumb of the FIA.
Something as important as pit lane closure should appear on all screens.
Together with the inconsistent red and yellow on the dismal signs.
Ferrari International Assistance have some work to do.
keithr0
2020-09-11 07:58:54 UTC
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Post by ~misfit~
Post by Brian Lawrence
Post by Bob Latham
However, running to the stewards on Sunday was a bit cry baby.
Drivers are able to discuss penalties with the stewards whenever
they wish, and the stewards welcome visits from the drivers. This
was unusual in that it was mid-race and TV viewers were able to
see that Hamilton paid them a visit. I doubt that such a visit had
been seen live before, but that doesn't mean it was unique.
I'm certain that I've seen it before during red flagged periods.  It
makes sense to get evidence early to avoid lengthy appeals ("but if we
had known that, we could have taken a different view") later.
While I think it's a little unfortunate for Hamilton, I think that they
had no choice but to apply it, and the fact that they heard from him at
that stage makes it a more satisfactory situation.
Post by Brian Lawrence
Bear in mind that he apparently was unaware that there were two
status boards on the outside of Parabolica. He wasn't alone in
that, much of the paddock were unsure as well - even though it
is in the Notes and it is mentioned at the Drivers Briefing. I
imagine most drivers don't 'read the small print' or listen to
the briefing which, of necessity, repeats most of the information
that was dealt with at all of the previous events.
I think it's understandable which is why (along with timing) he was
unfortunate.  The thing is, ignorance is not a defence.  The fact that
most people probably didn't see the boards and were reliant on the calls
from their engineers doesn't matter...until a mistake is made.
Post by Brian Lawrence
Do we know for certain that Giovinazzi didn't do the same thing?
We don't.
Post by Brian Lawrence
Why does no one moan about GIO missing the LED screens too?
Frankly, being the reigning champion makes you a focus of attention.
There may be other reasons, but whoever is at the front will take more
criticism.
Post by Brian Lawrence
<https://www.racefans.net/2020/09/09/mercedes-pit-error-was-understandable-alfa-romeos-was-not/>
<https://www.racefans.net/2020/09/06/why-hamilton-queried-10-second-stop-go-penalty-in-the-italian-gp/>
Both very interesting.  The big question hanging is why it is taking
teams so long.  My understanding is that the information was sent around
quite fast, but that the way it's transmitted isn't necessarily picked
up immediately; based on comments during the race, it was suggested that
an electronic alert appears somewhere other than on the pit wall and the
lag was to do with alerting the pit wall.  I would like to know if
that's true and, if so, what teams can do to avoid this for the future.
Toto said the pit lane in red showed up "on the fourth screen" which
shows track status and that by the time it was noticed (by a team member
in the UK who frantically contacted the pit wall) the call had been made
and Hamilton was in pit entry.
They can't watch all of the FIA screens all of the time with the few
crew they have on the pit wall. Maybe it should have been on 'the first
screen'?
Mercedes have said that they have programmed alerts on their screens
triggered by various similar events (yellow or red flags, safety car
etc) but they missed that one.

The onus is on the team to notice things like that in the same way as
saying "I wasn't watching the speedo" won't get you off a speeding charge.
~misfit~
2020-09-11 09:18:28 UTC
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Toto said the pit lane in red showed up "on the fourth screen" which shows track status and that
by the time it was noticed (by a team member in the UK who frantically contacted the pit wall)
the call had been made and Hamilton was in pit entry.
They can't watch all of the FIA screens all of the time with the few crew they have on the pit
wall. Maybe it should have been on 'the first screen'?
Mercedes have said that they have programmed alerts on their screens triggered by various similar
events (yellow or red flags, safety car etc) but they missed that one.
That was in the same interview where he said about the fourth screen. You can bet they're
programming in an alert for it now, it's just a shame that it cost them so much. It's also a shame
that the FIA don't perhaps have audible alerts that go out to the teams for things like this rather
than put it on the fourth screen. In a sport where hundredths of a second count it's a no brainer
really.
The onus is on the team to notice things like that in the same way as saying "I wasn't watching the
speedo" won't get you off a speeding charge.
No shit? I haven't tried that, thanks.

Seriously though, at a time when the FIA are trying to cut costs for teams and when there's so much
data to keep abreast of you can hardly expect a team to pay someone to sit on the pit wall glued
to each of the screens of information they're making available to the team.

As it is Mercedes (and likely other teams) have had to programme alert systems to tell them about
changes of track status. Surely the FIA can come up with a simple and user-friendly way to do this
themselves for all teams so they're then not having to employ even more people to make the system work?
--
Shaun.

"Humans will have advanced a long, long way when religious belief has a cozy little classification
in the DSM"
David Melville

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texas gate
2020-09-11 10:11:49 UTC
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Post by ~misfit~
Toto said the pit lane in red showed up "on the fourth screen" which shows track status and that
by the time it was noticed (by a team member in the UK who frantically contacted the pit wall)
the call had been made and Hamilton was in pit entry.
They can't watch all of the FIA screens all of the time with the few crew they have on the pit
wall. Maybe it should have been on 'the first screen'?
Mercedes have said that they have programmed alerts on their screens triggered by various similar
events (yellow or red flags, safety car etc) but they missed that one.
That was in the same interview where he said about the fourth screen. You can bet they're
programming in an alert for it now, it's just a shame that it cost them so much. It's also a shame
that the FIA don't perhaps have audible alerts that go out to the teams for things like this rather
than put it on the fourth screen. In a sport where hundredths of a second count it's a no brainer
really.
The onus is on the team to notice things like that in the same way as saying "I wasn't watching the
speedo" won't get you off a speeding charge.
No shit? I haven't tried that, thanks.
Seriously though, at a time when the FIA are trying to cut costs for teams and when there's so much
data to keep abreast of you can hardly expect a team to pay someone to sit on the pit wall glued
to each of the screens of information they're making available to the team.
As it is Mercedes (and likely other teams) have had to programme alert systems to tell them about
changes of track status. Surely the FIA can come up with a simple and user-friendly way to do this
themselves for all teams so they're then not having to employ even more people to make the system work?
--
Shaun.
"Humans will have advanced a long, long way when religious belief has a cozy little classification
in the DSM"
David Melville
This is not an email and hasn't been checked for viruses by any half-arsed self-promoting software.
fuck off
you pirating fool
you have no say in the sport
log the fuck off
and fuck the fuck off
texas gate
2020-09-11 10:23:17 UTC
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Seriously though
--
Shaun.
"Humans will have advanced a long, long way when religious belief has a cozy little classification
in the DSM"
David Melville
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wtf? log the fuck off
texas gate
2020-09-11 10:32:36 UTC
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I haven't tried that,
--
Shaun.
"Humans will have advanced a long, long way when religious belief has a cozy little classification
in the DSM"
David Melville
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yes. do not get crazy
stay with the task of opening
your daily can of beans from the government
texas gate
2020-09-11 10:39:06 UTC
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I haven't tried that,
--
Shaun.
"Humans will have advanced a long, long way when religious belief has a cozy little classification
in the DSM"
David Melville
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yes. do not get crazy
stay with the task of opening
your daily can of beans from the government
Geoff could help you open those beans
but then that pig would want a sexual favour
Alan Baker
2020-09-11 17:10:10 UTC
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Post by ~misfit~
Toto said the pit lane in red showed up "on the fourth screen" which
shows track status and that by the time it was noticed (by a team
member in the UK who frantically contacted the pit wall) the call had
been made and Hamilton was in pit entry.
They can't watch all of the FIA screens all of the time with the few
crew they have on the pit wall. Maybe it should have been on 'the
first screen'?
Mercedes have said that they have programmed alerts on their screens
triggered by various similar events (yellow or red flags, safety car
etc) but they missed that one.
That was in the same interview where he said about the fourth screen.
You can bet they're programming in an alert for it now, it's just a
shame that it cost them so much. It's also a shame that the FIA don't
perhaps have audible alerts that go out to the teams for things like
this rather than put it on the fourth screen. In a sport where
hundredths of a second count it's a no brainer really.
Post by keithr0
The onus is on the team to notice things like that in the same way as
saying "I wasn't watching the speedo" won't get you off a speeding charge.
No shit? I haven't tried that, thanks.
Seriously though, at a time when the FIA are trying to cut costs for
teams and when there's so much data to keep abreast of you can hardly
expect a team to pay someone to sit on the  pit wall glued to each of
the screens of information they're making available to the team.
As it is Mercedes (and likely other teams) have had to programme alert
systems to tell them about changes of track status. Surely the FIA can
come up with a simple and user-friendly way to do this themselves for
all teams so they're then not having to employ even more people to make
the system work?
There's already a very reliable system that is mandatory in every car:

The driver is required to see, recognize and obey the signals displayed
at the marshaling posts.

:-)
keithr0
2020-09-12 06:57:06 UTC
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Toto said the pit lane in red showed up "on the fourth screen" which
shows track status and that by the time it was noticed (by a team
member in the UK who frantically contacted the pit wall) the call had
been made and Hamilton was in pit entry.
They can't watch all of the FIA screens all of the time with the few
crew they have on the pit wall. Maybe it should have been on 'the
first screen'?
Mercedes have said that they have programmed alerts on their screens
triggered by various similar events (yellow or red flags, safety car
etc) but they missed that one.
That was in the same interview where he said about the fourth screen.
You can bet they're programming in an alert for it now, it's just a
shame that it cost them so much. It's also a shame that the FIA don't
perhaps have audible alerts that go out to the teams for things like
this rather than put it on the fourth screen. In a sport where
hundredths of a second count it's a no brainer really.
Post by keithr0
The onus is on the team to notice things like that in the same way as
saying "I wasn't watching the speedo" won't get you off a speeding charge.
No shit? I haven't tried that, thanks.
Seriously though, at a time when the FIA are trying to cut costs for
teams and when there's so much data to keep abreast of you can hardly
expect a team to pay someone to sit on the  pit wall glued to each of
the screens of information they're making available to the team.
It would take probably less than 15 minutes of the apprentice
programmers time to add the alert to the list at a cost of three parts
of 1% of bugger all. Maybe now they will go through the list and see if
they've missed anything else.
Post by ~misfit~
As it is Mercedes (and likely other teams) have had to programme alert
systems to tell them about changes of track status. Surely the FIA can
come up with a simple and user-friendly way to do this themselves for
all teams so they're then not having to employ even more people to make
the system work?
The FIA supply the data, you choose what you do with it. The FIA could,
though, mark it better on the track. Maybe a big red sign over the pit
entrance flashing the message "Bugger off".

I do think that much less would have been made of this incident had it
been some driver other than Hamilton.

DISCLAIMER: No I don't hate Hamilton, I think that he is a talented
driver, I just don't think that he is the Second Coming.
alister
2020-09-10 14:37:25 UTC
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Do we know for certain that Giovinazzi didn't do the same thing?
Why does no one moan about GIO missing the LED screens too?
Indeed
especially as they were considerably later than Hamilton so would have
had more notice that the pit lane was closed
(I would have not considered it unreasonable if Hamilton had received a
slightly lesser penalty because to the timing)
Post by Brian Lawrence
<https://www.racefans.net/2020/09/09/mercedes-pit-error-was-
understandable-alfa-romeos-was-not/>

Perhaps I may read this at some point
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<https://www.racefans.net/2020/09/06/why-hamilton-queried-10-second-
stop-go-penalty-in-the-italian-gp/>
--
A large number of installed systems work by fiat. That is, they work
by being declared to work.
-- Anatol Holt
Alan Baker
2020-09-10 23:48:44 UTC
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Post by Edmund
Don't be ridiculous man, I treat everyone the same although I
know that precisely that is labeled as racist nowadays. Louise
(good name for that drama queen) himself started calling people
ignorant for saying that some blacks are more racist than
whites. Louise himself started whining about his color and how
disadvantaged he was because of it. He himself dresses in the
clothes of a violent rioting movement. Speaking of ignorance! You
know what, I don‘t even blame him entirely for his extreme
ignorance, I can understand he didn‘t notice much of the real
world in the very privileged bubble where he grew up. I do
however think he is a ignorant hypocrite and that is entirely due
to his behavior, I don‘t care if he is red yellow black white or
purple.
Edmund
Yes, I have to say I think that is indeed both accurate and fair.
Bob.
Lie down with dogs...
Bob Latham
2020-09-11 11:00:43 UTC
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Post by Edmund
Don't be ridiculous man, I treat everyone the same although I
know that precisely that is labeled as racist nowadays. Louise
(good name for that drama queen) himself started calling people
ignorant for saying that some blacks are more racist than
whites. Louise himself started whining about his color and how
disadvantaged he was because of it. He himself dresses in the
clothes of a violent rioting movement. Speaking of ignorance! You
know what, I dont even blame him entirely for his extreme
ignorance, I can understand he didnt notice much of the real
world in the very privileged bubble where he grew up. I do
however think he is a ignorant hypocrite and that is entirely due
to his behavior, I dont care if he is red yellow black white or
purple.
Edmund
Yes, I have to say I think that is indeed both accurate and fair.
Bob.
Lie down with dogs...
Whatever.

I do not support BLM because they are marxist, violent and believe in
defunding the police, ending the nuclear family and capitalism. They
also like using intimidation and burning down whole cities. I do not
agree with any of that.

I do support the idea of prevention programmes to help prevent people
falling into a criminal lifestyle.

Bob.
geoff
2020-09-11 11:16:04 UTC
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I do not support BLM because they are marxist, violent and believe in
defunding the police, ending the nuclear family and capitalism. They
also like using intimidation and burning down whole cities. I do not
agree with any of that.
You forgot the smiley. Or do you actually believe that ?

geoff
Bob Latham
2020-09-11 11:59:26 UTC
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Post by Bob Latham
I do not support BLM because they are marxist, violent and
believe in defunding the police, ending the nuclear family and
capitalism. They also like using intimidation and burning down
whole cities. I do not agree with any of that.
You forgot the smiley. Or do you actually believe that ?
Stated aims and observation of behaviour. Who is burning cities and
threatening people? Seen plenty of it.

Bob.
Alan Baker
2020-09-11 16:07:11 UTC
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Post by Bob Latham
I do not support BLM because they are marxist, violent and
believe in defunding the police, ending the nuclear family and
capitalism. They also like using intimidation and burning down
whole cities. I do not agree with any of that.
You forgot the smiley. Or do you actually believe that ?
Stated aims and observation of behaviour. Who is burning cities and
threatening people? Seen plenty of it.
You've seen protests get out of hand; at least in part BECAUSE of the
way police have responded.
Bob Latham
2020-09-11 16:19:31 UTC
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Post by Bob Latham
I do not support BLM because they are marxist, violent and
believe in defunding the police, ending the nuclear family and
capitalism. They also like using intimidation and burning down
whole cities. I do not agree with any of that.
You forgot the smiley. Or do you actually believe that ?
Stated aims and observation of behaviour. Who is burning cities
and threatening people? Seen plenty of it.
You've seen protests get out of hand; at least in part BECAUSE of
the way police have responded.
Yes, we'll go as a mob and threaten people in restaurants and make
them give the black fist salute with intimidation. Being annoyed at
the police would obviously cause that.

Then we'll go and burn down a city, our city, such a sensible
approach.

Have you not seen these violent horrible people looting shops,
punching white people in the face as they just pass in the street?

I will never support BLM and I question the sanity/motives of anyone
who does.


Bob.
Alan Baker
2020-09-11 16:52:15 UTC
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Post by Bob Latham
I do not support BLM because they are marxist, violent and
believe in defunding the police, ending the nuclear family and
capitalism. They also like using intimidation and burning down
whole cities. I do not agree with any of that.
You forgot the smiley. Or do you actually believe that ?
Stated aims and observation of behaviour. Who is burning cities
and threatening people? Seen plenty of it.
You've seen protests get out of hand; at least in part BECAUSE of
the way police have responded.
Yes, we'll go as a mob and threaten people in restaurants and make
them give the black fist salute with intimidation. Being annoyed at
the police would obviously cause that.
Tell me, bigot:

Why is it the police had less response to WHITE protestors...

...who were fully armed?
Post by Bob Latham
Then we'll go and burn down a city, our city, such a sensible
approach.
Have you not seen these violent horrible people looting shops,
punching white people in the face as they just pass in the street?
I will never support BLM and I question the sanity/motives of anyone
who does.
Do you support the chief reason they began to protest; that black people
shouldn't be murdered by the police?
Bob Latham
2020-09-11 17:47:28 UTC
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Post by Bob Latham
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Bob Latham
Post by geoff
Post by Bob Latham
I do not support BLM because they are marxist, violent and
believe in defunding the police, ending the nuclear family and
capitalism. They also like using intimidation and burning down
whole cities. I do not agree with any of that.
You forgot the smiley. Or do you actually believe that ?
Stated aims and observation of behaviour. Who is burning cities
and threatening people? Seen plenty of it.
You've seen protests get out of hand; at least in part BECAUSE of
the way police have responded.
Yes, we'll go as a mob and threaten people in restaurants and make
them give the black fist salute with intimidation. Being annoyed at
the police would obviously cause that.
Oh right, now I know you're level.
Post by Alan Baker
Why is it the police had less response to WHITE protestors...
...who were fully armed?
What were they protesting about?

Were they Burning and Looting?
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Bob Latham
Then we'll go and burn down a city, our city, such a sensible
approach.
Have you not seen these violent horrible people looting shops,
punching white people in the face as they just pass in the street?
I will never support BLM and I question the sanity/motives of
anyone who does.
Do you support the chief reason they began to protest; that black
people shouldn't be murdered by the police?
I've answered this before. The murder of the guy during an arrest was
wrong and the officer should face the full legal consequences. The
guy was a persistent criminal high on drugs. Do I think that is an
excuse to burn cities? Of course not.

There are plenty of black people on both sides of the pond who do not
support BLM. BLM is about left/right politics not protecting black
people. The vast majority of black people who get murdered are
murdered by........ black people not the police.


Bob.
Alan Baker
2020-09-11 17:59:31 UTC
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Post by Alan Baker
Post by Bob Latham
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Bob Latham
Post by geoff
Post by Bob Latham
I do not support BLM because they are marxist, violent and
believe in defunding the police, ending the nuclear family and
capitalism. They also like using intimidation and burning down
whole cities. I do not agree with any of that.
You forgot the smiley. Or do you actually believe that ?
Stated aims and observation of behaviour. Who is burning cities
and threatening people? Seen plenty of it.
You've seen protests get out of hand; at least in part BECAUSE of
the way police have responded.
Yes, we'll go as a mob and threaten people in restaurants and make
them give the black fist salute with intimidation. Being annoyed at
the police would obviously cause that.
Oh right, now I know you're level.
As I know yours.
Post by Bob Latham
Post by Alan Baker
Why is it the police had less response to WHITE protestors...
...who were fully armed?
What were they protesting about?
They were fully armed.

What do you imagine would have been the respond to armed protestors if
they'd been black?
Post by Bob Latham
Were they Burning and Looting?
Did the BLM protests BEGIN with burning and looting?
Post by Bob Latham
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Bob Latham
Then we'll go and burn down a city, our city, such a sensible
approach.
Have you not seen these violent horrible people looting shops,
punching white people in the face as they just pass in the street?
I will never support BLM and I question the sanity/motives of
anyone who does.
Do you support the chief reason they began to protest; that black
people shouldn't be murdered by the police?
I've answered this before. The murder of the guy during an arrest was
wrong and the officer should face the full legal consequences. The
guy was a persistent criminal high on drugs. Do I think that is an
excuse to burn cities? Of course not.
So why include the third sentence of that paragraph at all?

It's almost like you're trying to mitigate the murder.
Post by Bob Latham
There are plenty of black people on both sides of the pond who do not
support BLM. BLM is about left/right politics not protecting black
people. The vast majority of black people who get murdered are
murdered by........ black people not the police.
But you get that police murder far more black people than white people,
right?
Bob Latham
2020-09-11 19:44:19 UTC
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It's almost like you're trying to mitigate the murder.
Almost? Why not go the whole hog, I don't care.

I'll say it once more.

I'm not racist. I believe all people should be treated the same
regardless of colour or creed. I believe in a meritocracy because any
other model is stupid.

I do not support marxist organisations pretending they are something
they are not.

This lady says it better than me.

https://twitter.com/dominiquetaegon/status/1304378980263432193?s=21

You don't like the fact I think BLM is a marxist domestic terror
organisation and not good for anyone fine, I DON'T CARE, it's my view
and I'll damn well keep it!
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Bob Latham
There are plenty of black people on both sides of the pond who do
not support BLM. BLM is about left/right politics not protecting
black people. The vast majority of black people who get murdered
are murdered by........ black people not the police.
But you get that police murder far more black people than white
people, right?
Maybe, but even if true that doesn't in itself tell you much as I'm
sure you must know.

*If* there is more crime committed by black people and that more
black people resist arrest etc... Your argument is too simplistic.
Basically it's emotional and not rational.

Put it this way, if you wanted to arrest someone in london for
carrying a weapon do you think you would get the same success rate
searching blacks and whites?

Why do you think the home office hide the crime statistics by colour
information?

Bob.
Alan Baker
2020-09-11 19:59:30 UTC
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Post by Alan Baker
It's almost like you're trying to mitigate the murder.
Almost? Why not go the whole hog, I don't care.
I'll say it once more.
I'm not racist. I believe all people should be treated the same
regardless of colour or creed. I believe in a meritocracy because any
other model is stupid.
I do not support marxist organisations pretending they are something
they are not.
This lady says it better than me.
https://twitter.com/dominiquetaegon/status/1304378980263432193?s=21
You don't like the fact I think BLM is a marxist domestic terror
organisation and not good for anyone fine, I DON'T CARE, it's my view
and I'll damn well keep it!
No. You misunderstand.

You get to support your ASSERTIONS.

What is your support for that claim?
Post by Bob Latham
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Bob Latham
There are plenty of black people on both sides of the pond who do
not support BLM. BLM is about left/right politics not protecting
black people. The vast majority of black people who get murdered
are murdered by........ black people not the police.
But you get that police murder far more black people than white
people, right?
Maybe, but even if true that doesn't in itself tell you much as I'm
sure you must know.
No maybe about it.
Post by Bob Latham
*If* there is more crime committed by black people and that more
black people resist arrest etc... Your argument is too simplistic.
Basically it's emotional and not rational.
And again, you reach to mitigate violence against black people.
Post by Bob Latham
Put it this way, if you wanted to arrest someone in london for
carrying a weapon do you think you would get the same success rate
searching blacks and whites?
Do you think that justifies stopping blacks without probable cause?

That is a yes or no question.
Post by Bob Latham
Why do you think the home office hide the crime statistics by colour
information?
I don't know that they do do that.

And you don't support your assertions, so...
CS
2020-09-11 21:39:18 UTC
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What a load of bollards from you all. Seriously following Texarses's limited intellect.
~misfit~
2020-09-11 23:55:02 UTC
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I do not support marxist organisations pretending they are something
they are not.
This lady says it better than me.
https://twitter.com/dominiquetaegon/status/1304378980263432193?s=21
Well done! Out of the millions of people who use twatter you've found one who approximately agrees
with you - and it's a black woman! Kudos for calling her 'lady', I bet that stung a bit.
Post by Bob Latham
You don't like the fact I think BLM is a marxist domestic terror
organisation and not good for anyone fine, I DON'T CARE, it's my view
and I'll damn well keep it!
Opinions are like arseholes. Everyone has one but repeatedly forcing yours into peoples faces when
they've already seen (heard/read) it and don't care for it is simply self-gratification.
--
Shaun.

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in the DSM"
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Bob Latham
2020-09-12 10:18:58 UTC
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Post by Bob Latham
I do not support marxist organisations pretending they are something
they are not.
This lady says it better than me.
https://twitter.com/dominiquetaegon/status/1304378980263432193?s=21
Well done! Out of the millions of people who use twatter you've
found one who approximately agrees with you - and it's a black
woman! Kudos for calling her 'lady', I bet that stung a bit.
Oh dear are you that twisted, seems so. No one telling the truth
except you eh?
Post by ~misfit~
Post by Bob Latham
You don't like the fact I think BLM is a marxist domestic terror
organisation and not good for anyone fine, I DON'T CARE, it's my
view and I'll damn well keep it!
Opinions are like arseholes. Everyone has one but repeatedly
forcing yours into peoples faces when they've already seen
(heard/read) it and don't care for it is simply self-gratification.
Firstly my opinions are based on the behaviour I've seen going on in
the states and to a lesser degree in the UK. I cannot support people
who behave anything like that.

Having said that, I do think that if black people in the states are
treated differently to whites then that should be addressed properly
by the law.

If you think that is unreasonable, tough and it says more about your
politics/lunacy than it does about me.

Bob.
Alan Baker
2020-09-12 14:22:53 UTC
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Post by ~misfit~
Post by Bob Latham
I do not support marxist organisations pretending they are something
they are not.
This lady says it better than me.
https://twitter.com/dominiquetaegon/status/1304378980263432193?s=21
Well done! Out of the millions of people who use twatter you've
found one who approximately agrees with you - and it's a black
woman! Kudos for calling her 'lady', I bet that stung a bit.
Oh dear are you that twisted, seems so. No one telling the truth
except you eh?
Post by ~misfit~
Post by Bob Latham
You don't like the fact I think BLM is a marxist domestic terror
organisation and not good for anyone fine, I DON'T CARE, it's my
view and I'll damn well keep it!
Opinions are like arseholes. Everyone has one but repeatedly
forcing yours into peoples faces when they've already seen
(heard/read) it and don't care for it is simply self-gratification.
Firstly my opinions are based on the behaviour I've seen going on in
the states and to a lesser degree in the UK. I cannot support people
who behave anything like that.
No one is suggesting you should support people who commit violence...

...but you want to lump everyone in together, don't you?
Post by Bob Latham
Having said that, I do think that if black people in the states are
treated differently to whites then that should be addressed properly
by the law.
Just as long as all you need to do about it is "tsk,tisk"...
Post by Bob Latham
If you think that is unreasonable, tough and it says more about your
politics/lunacy than it does about me.
Bob.
Bob Latham
2020-09-12 15:07:05 UTC
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Post by Alan Baker
No one is suggesting you should support people who commit
violence...
...but you want to lump everyone in together, don't you?
Oh, we're back to BLM A and BLM B again. I've looked into this, BLM
is BLM.
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Bob Latham
Having said that, I do think that if black people in the states
are treated differently to whites then that should be addressed
properly by the law.
Just as long as all you need to do about it is "tsk,tisk"...
That's right put words in my mouth and thoughts in my head.

I don't need to do anything because since around 1970 all of the none
white people I have encountered at work and socially are fine and
don't agree with this narrative. I've seen no evidence of any
anti-black action in the UK in 50 years.

I have little knowledge of the real situation in the States I've
never been there but I've seen what BLM has done.

In view of the prevailing lunacy in this group I've now realised this
isn't about the plight of poor black people in the UK at all.

Looks increasingly as though it is people trying to trigger a left
wing revolution because the people in these stupid Western countries
keep voting capitalist.

Try reading some sense.

https://capx.co/the-sympathetic-magic-of-identity-politics-has-cast-an-awful-spell/

As the black American writer Thomas Sowell puts it, "It is
self-destructive for any society to create a situation where a baby
who is born into the world today automatically has pre-existing
grievances against another baby born at the same time, because of
what their ancestors did centuries ago."


Bob.
Post by Alan Baker
If you think that is unreasonable, tough and it says more about
Post by Bob Latham
your politics/lunacy than it does about me.
Bob.
Alan Baker
2020-09-12 15:24:53 UTC
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Post by Alan Baker
No one is suggesting you should support people who commit
violence...
...but you want to lump everyone in together, don't you?
Oh, we're back to BLM A and BLM B again. I've looked into this, BLM
is BLM.
But you're lumping in everyone who PROTESTS, doofus.
Post by Bob Latham
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Bob Latham
Having said that, I do think that if black people in the states
are treated differently to whites then that should be addressed
properly by the law.
Just as long as all you need to do about it is "tsk,tisk"...
That's right put words in my mouth and thoughts in my head.
When they're accurate.
Post by Bob Latham
I don't need to do anything because since around 1970 all of the none
white people I have encountered at work and socially are fine and
don't agree with this narrative. I've seen no evidence of any
anti-black action in the UK in 50 years.
If you keep your eyes closed...
Post by Bob Latham
I have little knowledge of the real situation in the States I've
never been there but I've seen what BLM has done.
In view of the prevailing lunacy in this group I've now realised this
isn't about the plight of poor black people in the UK at all.
Looks increasingly as though it is people trying to trigger a left
wing revolution because the people in these stupid Western countries
keep voting capitalist.
Try reading some sense.
https://capx.co/the-sympathetic-magic-of-identity-politics-has-cast-an-awful-spell/
As the black American writer Thomas Sowell puts it, "It is
self-destructive for any society to create a situation where a baby
who is born into the world today automatically has pre-existing
grievances against another baby born at the same time, because of
what their ancestors did centuries ago."
It isn't a matter of "grievances", doofus: it is a matter of FACT.
geoff
2020-09-12 01:47:39 UTC
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Post by Alan Baker
It's almost like you're trying to mitigate the murder.
Almost? Why not go the whole hog, I don't care.
I'll say it once more.
I'm not racist. I believe all people should be treated the same
regardless of colour or creed. I believe in a meritocracy because any
other model is stupid.
I do not support marxist organisations pretending they are something
they are not.
You haven't got a clue what a marxist is ! Or what a socialist is.
Unfortunately ignorance reigns supreme in the USA.
Post by Bob Latham
This lady says it better than me.
https://twitter.com/dominiquetaegon/status/1304378980263432193?s=21
You don't like the fact I think BLM is a marxist domestic terror
organisation and not good for anyone fine, I DON'T CARE, it's my view
and I'll damn well keep it!
That is because you are totally away with the fairies on this one.

geoff
Bob Latham
2020-09-12 10:25:49 UTC
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You haven't got a clue what a marxist is ! Or what a socialist is.
I'm guessing you and your mates have inside knowledge .
Post by geoff
Unfortunately ignorance reigns supreme in the USA.
Good job I've never been there then.
Post by geoff
That is because you are totally away with the fairies on this one.
Sorry it is as always, leftie idiots that are away with the fairies.

Basic principal - why start your own company or work hard or develop
something if the the rewards for doing so are then evenly distributed.

Capitalism = unequal distribution of wealth.
Socialism = equal distribution of misery.

Bob.
Alan Baker
2020-09-12 14:24:51 UTC
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Post by geoff
You haven't got a clue what a marxist is ! Or what a socialist is.
I'm guessing you and your mates have inside knowledge .
Post by geoff
Unfortunately ignorance reigns supreme in the USA.
Good job I've never been there then.
And you show that ignorance knows know bordes.
Post by Bob Latham
Post by geoff
That is because you are totally away with the fairies on this one.
Sorry it is as always, leftie idiots that are away with the fairies.
Nope. There are idiots on both sides.
Post by Bob Latham
Basic principal - why start your own company or work hard or develop
something if the the rewards for doing so are then evenly distributed.
Capitalism = unequal distribution of wealth.
Socialism = equal distribution of misery.
Ah, slogans.

How do you feel about a privatized police force?

Fire department?

Armed forces?
Bob Latham
2020-09-12 15:11:17 UTC
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Post by geoff
You haven't got a clue what a marxist is ! Or what a socialist is.
I'm guessing you and your mates have inside knowledge .
Post by geoff
Unfortunately ignorance reigns supreme in the USA.
Good job I've never been there then.
And you show that ignorance knows know bordes.
<shrugs> yeah yeah.
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Post by Bob Latham
Post by geoff
That is because you are totally away with the fairies on this one.
Sorry it is as always, leftie idiots that are away with the
fairies.
Nope. There are idiots on both sides.
Post by Bob Latham
Basic principal - why start your own company or work hard or
develop something if the the rewards for doing so are then evenly
distributed.
Capitalism = unequal distribution of wealth. Socialism = equal
distribution of misery.
Ah, slogans.
How do you feel about a privatized police force?
Fire department?
Armed forces?
I can honestly say I've never given any of those much thought. *With
proper checks and balances in position* do private services have any
advantages. Something tells me that's not what you're driving at.

Bob.
Alan Baker
2020-09-12 15:25:33 UTC
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Post by geoff
You haven't got a clue what a marxist is ! Or what a socialist is.
I'm guessing you and your mates have inside knowledge .
Post by geoff
Unfortunately ignorance reigns supreme in the USA.
Good job I've never been there then.
And you show that ignorance knows know bordes.
<shrugs> yeah yeah.
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Bob Latham
Post by geoff
That is because you are totally away with the fairies on this one.
Sorry it is as always, leftie idiots that are away with the
fairies.
Nope. There are idiots on both sides.
Post by Bob Latham
Basic principal - why start your own company or work hard or
develop something if the the rewards for doing so are then evenly
distributed.
Capitalism = unequal distribution of wealth. Socialism = equal
distribution of misery.
Ah, slogans.
How do you feel about a privatized police force?
Fire department?
Armed forces?
I can honestly say I've never given any of those much thought. *With
proper checks and balances in position* do private services have any
advantages. Something tells me that's not what you're driving at.
You not having giving something much thought comes as no surprise.
Bob Latham
2020-09-12 16:04:02 UTC
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I can honestly say I've never given any of those much thought.
*With proper checks and balances in position* do private services
have any advantages. Something tells me that's not what you're
driving at.
You not having giving something much thought comes as no surprise.
Cheap and silly.

Bob.
geoff
2020-09-12 01:44:47 UTC
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I do not support BLM because they are marxist, violent and
believe in defunding the police, ending the nuclear family and
capitalism. They also like using intimidation and burning down
whole cities. I do not agree with any of that.
You forgot the smiley. Or do you actually believe that ?
Stated aims and observation of behaviour. Who is burning cities
and threatening people? Seen plenty of it.
You've seen protests get out of hand; at least in part BECAUSE of
the way police have responded.
Yes, we'll go as a mob and threaten people in restaurants and make
them give the black fist salute with intimidation. Being annoyed at
the police would obviously cause that.
Then we'll go and burn down a city, our city, such a sensible
approach.
Have you not seen these violent horrible people looting shops,
punching white people in the face as they just pass in the street?
I will never support BLM and I question the sanity/motives of anyone
who does.
Bob.
Watch real news. Not Fox News.

geoff
Bob Latham
2020-09-12 10:28:01 UTC
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Post by Bob Latham
I do not support BLM because they are marxist, violent and
believe in defunding the police, ending the nuclear family and
capitalism. They also like using intimidation and burning down
whole cities. I do not agree with any of that.
You forgot the smiley. Or do you actually believe that ?
Stated aims and observation of behaviour. Who is burning cities
and threatening people? Seen plenty of it.
You've seen protests get out of hand; at least in part BECAUSE of
the way police have responded.
Yes, we'll go as a mob and threaten people in restaurants and make
them give the black fist salute with intimidation. Being annoyed at
the police would obviously cause that.
Then we'll go and burn down a city, our city, such a sensible
approach.
Have you not seen these violent horrible people looting shops,
punching white people in the face as they just pass in the street?
I will never support BLM and I question the sanity/motives of anyone
who does.
Bob.
Watch real news. Not Fox News.
How many more time. I'm not in the states!

I'm unaware if Fox news is even available here.

Bob.
geoff
2020-09-12 01:43:40 UTC
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Post by Bob Latham
I do not support BLM because they are marxist, violent and
believe in defunding the police, ending the nuclear family and
capitalism. They also like using intimidation and burning down
whole cities. I do not agree with any of that.
You forgot the smiley. Or do you actually believe that ?
Stated aims and observation of behaviour. Who is burning cities and
threatening people? Seen plenty of it.
Bob.
Who ? An incredibly small number of people who may also happen to
support the BLM thing, or purport to.

Equally likely to be far-right anarchists hoping to foment attitudes
like yours, and assist in returning Trump to office. No shortage of
far-right in the USA - pretty much mainstream really.

geoff
Bob Latham
2020-09-12 10:30:15 UTC
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Post by Bob Latham
I do not support BLM because they are marxist, violent and
believe in defunding the police, ending the nuclear family and
capitalism. They also like using intimidation and burning down
whole cities. I do not agree with any of that.
You forgot the smiley. Or do you actually believe that ?
Stated aims and observation of behaviour. Who is burning cities and
threatening people? Seen plenty of it.
Bob.
Who ? An incredibly small number of people who may also happen to
support the BLM thing, or purport to.
Equally likely to be far-right anarchists hoping to foment
attitudes like yours, and assist in returning Trump to office. No
shortage of far-right in the USA - pretty much mainstream really.
What a desperate argument to defend the utterly indefensible.


Bob.
Alan Baker
2020-09-12 14:25:16 UTC
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Post by Bob Latham
I do not support BLM because they are marxist, violent and
believe in defunding the police, ending the nuclear family and
capitalism. They also like using intimidation and burning down
whole cities. I do not agree with any of that.
You forgot the smiley. Or do you actually believe that ?
Stated aims and observation of behaviour. Who is burning cities and
threatening people? Seen plenty of it.
Bob.
Who ? An incredibly small number of people who may also happen to
support the BLM thing, or purport to.
Equally likely to be far-right anarchists hoping to foment
attitudes like yours, and assist in returning Trump to office. No
shortage of far-right in the USA - pretty much mainstream really.
What a desperate argument to defend the utterly indefensible.
You think it doesn't happen?
~misfit~
2020-09-11 12:14:44 UTC
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Post by Bob Latham
I do not support BLM because they are marxist, violent and believe in
defunding the police, ending the nuclear family and capitalism. They
also like using intimidation and burning down whole cities. I do not
agree with any of that.
You forgot the smiley. Or do you actually believe that ?
geoff
FFS why get him started on this shit again? There used to be groups for people who just want to
argue and rile others up.
--
Shaun.

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in the DSM"
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texas gate
2020-09-11 15:41:26 UTC
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FFS why get him started on this shit again? There used to be groups for people who just want to
argue and rile others up.
--
Shaun.
"Humans will have advanced a long, long way when religious belief has a cozy little classification
in the DSM"
David Melville
This is not an email and hasn't been checked for viruses by any half-arsed self-promoting software.
Here comes the group moderator.
Useless as tits on a bulls.
Dumb as a post.
Alan Baker
2020-09-11 16:06:25 UTC
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Post by Edmund
Don't be ridiculous man, I treat everyone the same although I
know that precisely that is labeled as racist nowadays. Louise
(good name for that drama queen) himself started calling people
ignorant for saying that some blacks are more racist than
whites. Louise himself started whining about his color and how
disadvantaged he was because of it. He himself dresses in the
clothes of a violent rioting movement. Speaking of ignorance! You
know what, I dont even blame him entirely for his extreme
ignorance, I can understand he didnt notice much of the real
world in the very privileged bubble where he grew up. I do
however think he is a ignorant hypocrite and that is entirely due
to his behavior, I dont care if he is red yellow black white or
purple.
Edmund
Yes, I have to say I think that is indeed both accurate and fair.
Bob.
Lie down with dogs...
Whatever.
I do not support BLM because they are marxist,
Wrong.
Post by Bob Latham
violent
Wrong.
Post by Bob Latham
and believe in
defunding the police,
Wrong.
Post by Bob Latham
ending the nuclear family
So wrong.
Post by Bob Latham
and capitalism.
And wrong.
Post by Bob Latham
They
also like using intimidation and burning down whole cities. I do not
agree with any of that.
I do support the idea of prevention programmes to help prevent people
falling into a criminal lifestyle.
LOL

Look up "dog whistle"
Bob Latham
2020-09-11 16:21:13 UTC
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Post by Edmund
Don't be ridiculous man, I treat everyone the same although I
know that precisely that is labeled as racist nowadays. Louise
(good name for that drama queen) himself started calling people
ignorant for saying that some blacks are more racist than
whites. Louise himself started whining about his color and how
disadvantaged he was because of it. He himself dresses in the
clothes of a violent rioting movement. Speaking of ignorance! You
know what, I dont even blame him entirely for his extreme
ignorance, I can understand he didnt notice much of the real
world in the very privileged bubble where he grew up. I do
however think he is a ignorant hypocrite and that is entirely due
to his behavior, I dont care if he is red yellow black white or
purple.
Edmund
Yes, I have to say I think that is indeed both accurate and fair.
Bob.
Lie down with dogs...
Whatever.
I do not support BLM because they are marxist,
Wrong.
Post by Bob Latham
violent
Wrong.
Post by Bob Latham
and believe in
defunding the police,
Wrong.
Post by Bob Latham
ending the nuclear family
So wrong.
Post by Bob Latham
and capitalism.
And wrong.
Post by Bob Latham
They
also like using intimidation and burning down whole cities. I do not
agree with any of that.
I do support the idea of prevention programmes to help prevent people
falling into a criminal lifestyle.
LOL
Look up "dog whistle"
Selectively blind idiot.

Bob.
Alan Baker
2020-09-11 16:52:38 UTC
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Post by Alan Baker
Post by Bob Latham
Post by Edmund
Don't be ridiculous man, I treat everyone the same although I
know that precisely that is labeled as racist nowadays. Louise
(good name for that drama queen) himself started calling people
ignorant for saying that some blacks are more racist than
whites. Louise himself started whining about his color and how
disadvantaged he was because of it. He himself dresses in the
clothes of a violent rioting movement. Speaking of ignorance! You
know what, I dont even blame him entirely for his extreme
ignorance, I can understand he didnt notice much of the real
world in the very privileged bubble where he grew up. I do
however think he is a ignorant hypocrite and that is entirely due
to his behavior, I dont care if he is red yellow black white or
purple.
Edmund
Yes, I have to say I think that is indeed both accurate and fair.
Bob.
Lie down with dogs...
Whatever.
I do not support BLM because they are marxist,
Wrong.
Post by Bob Latham
violent
Wrong.
Post by Bob Latham
and believe in
defunding the police,
Wrong.
Post by Bob Latham
ending the nuclear family
So wrong.
Post by Bob Latham
and capitalism.
And wrong.
Post by Bob Latham
They
also like using intimidation and burning down whole cities. I do not
agree with any of that.
I do support the idea of prevention programmes to help prevent people
falling into a criminal lifestyle.
LOL
Look up "dog whistle"
Selectively blind idiot.
Yes... ...you really are.
Bob Latham
2020-09-11 17:48:59 UTC
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Post by Alan Baker
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Post by Alan Baker
Post by Bob Latham
Post by Edmund
Don't be ridiculous man, I treat everyone the same although I
know that precisely that is labeled as racist nowadays. Louise
(good name for that drama queen) himself started calling people
ignorant for saying that some blacks are more racist than
whites. Louise himself started whining about his color and how
disadvantaged he was because of it. He himself dresses in the
clothes of a violent rioting movement. Speaking of ignorance! You
know what, I dont even blame him entirely for his extreme
ignorance, I can understand he didnt notice much of the real
world in the very privileged bubble where he grew up. I do
however think he is a ignorant hypocrite and that is entirely due
to his behavior, I dont care if he is red yellow black white or
purple.
Edmund
Yes, I have to say I think that is indeed both accurate and fair.
Bob.
Lie down with dogs...
Whatever.
I do not support BLM because they are marxist,
Wrong.
Post by Bob Latham
violent
Wrong.
Post by Bob Latham
and believe in
defunding the police,
Wrong.
Post by Bob Latham
ending the nuclear family
So wrong.
Post by Bob Latham
and capitalism.
And wrong.
Post by Bob Latham
They
also like using intimidation and burning down whole cities. I do not
agree with any of that.
I do support the idea of prevention programmes to help prevent people
falling into a criminal lifestyle.
LOL
Look up "dog whistle"
Selectively blind idiot.
Yes... ...you really are.
I'm not the one pretending the above is not true, that's you.


Bob.
Alan Baker
2020-09-11 17:56:46 UTC
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Post by Alan Baker
Post by Bob Latham
Post by Edmund
Don't be ridiculous man, I treat everyone the same although I
know that precisely that is labeled as racist nowadays. Louise
(good name for that drama queen) himself started calling people
ignorant for saying that some blacks are more racist than
whites. Louise himself started whining about his color and how
disadvantaged he was because of it. He himself dresses in the
clothes of a violent rioting movement. Speaking of ignorance! You
know what, I dont even blame him entirely for his extreme
ignorance, I can understand he didnt notice much of the real
world in the very privileged bubble where he grew up. I do
however think he is a ignorant hypocrite and that is entirely due
to his behavior, I dont care if he is red yellow black white or
purple.
Edmund
Yes, I have to say I think that is indeed both accurate and fair.
Bob.
Lie down with dogs...
Whatever.
I do not support BLM because they are marxist,
Wrong.
Post by Bob Latham
violent
Wrong.
Post by Bob Latham
and believe in
defunding the police,
Wrong.
Post by Bob Latham
ending the nuclear family
So wrong.
Post by Bob Latham
and capitalism.
And wrong.
Post by Bob Latham
They
also like using intimidation and burning down whole cities. I do not
agree with any of that.
I do support the idea of prevention programmes to help prevent people
falling into a criminal lifestyle.
LOL
Look up "dog whistle"
Selectively blind idiot.
Yes... ...you really are.
I'm not the one pretending the above is not true, that's you.
No. You're the one making unsupported claims.
Bigbird
2020-09-11 17:51:17 UTC
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Yes, I have to say I think that is indeed both accurate and fair.
Bob.
How unsurprising that Bob comes to the defence of someone just called
out for his bigotry.
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geoff
2020-09-10 00:01:22 UTC
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Post by Edmund
Don't be ridiculous man, I treat everyone the same although I know
that precisely that is labeled as racist nowadays. Louise (good name
for that drama queen) himself started calling people ignorant for
saying that some blacks are more racist than whites.
Louise himself started whining about his color and how disadvantaged
he was because of it.
He himself dresses in the clothes of a violent rioting movement.
Speaking of ignorance!
You know what, I don’t even blame him entirely for his extreme
ignorance, I can understand he didn’t notice much of the real world in
the very privileged bubble where he grew up.
I do however think he is a ignorant hypocrite and that is entirely due
to his behavior, I don’t care if he is red yellow black white or purple.
Edmund
try calling Bottas a "dumb blonde" and let´s see how many "racist" cries
you´ll get... ;)
FB
A coloured person saying that certainly would get heaps.

geoff
~misfit~
2020-09-10 01:47:09 UTC
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Don't be ridiculous man, I treat everyone the same although I know that precisely that is
labeled as racist nowadays. Louise (good name for that drama queen) himself started calling
people ignorant for saying that some blacks are more racist than whites.
Louise himself started whining about his color and how disadvantaged he was because of it.
He himself dresses in the clothes of a violent rioting movement.
Speaking of ignorance!
You know what, I don’t even blame him entirely for his extreme ignorance, I can understand he
didn’t notice much of the real world in the very privileged bubble where he grew up.
I do however think he is a ignorant hypocrite and that is entirely due to his behavior, I don’t
care if he is red yellow black white or purple.
Edmund
try calling Bottas a "dumb blonde" and let´s see how many "racist" cries you´ll get... ;)
FB
A coloured person saying that certainly would get heaps.
geoff
That's the point that these social media warriors (or outright racists) miss entirely.
--
Shaun.

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in the DSM"
David Melville

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Bob Latham
2020-09-10 08:48:15 UTC
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Post by geoff
Don't be ridiculous man, I treat everyone the same although I know that precisely that is
labeled as racist nowadays. Louise (good name for that drama queen) himself started calling
people ignorant for saying that some blacks are more racist than whites.
Louise himself started whining about his color and how disadvantaged he was because of it.
He himself dresses in the clothes of a violent rioting movement.
Speaking of ignorance!
You know what, I don‘t even blame him entirely for his extreme ignorance, I can understand he
didn‘t notice much of the real world in the very privileged bubble where he grew up.
I do however think he is a ignorant hypocrite and that is entirely due to his behavior, I don‘t
care if he is red yellow black white or purple.
Edmund
try calling Bottas a "dumb blonde" and let´s see how many "racist" cries you´ll get... ;)
FB
A coloured person saying that certainly would get heaps.
geoff
That's the point that these social media warriors (or outright
racists) miss entirely.
Racism is always wrong. I matters not if it's black on white or white
on black both are equally wrong. So called positive discrimination is
also wrong. Setting short list from particular races is evil racism,
there can be no argument.

People should get success on merit and merit alone all else is stupid
if not wicked.

Bob.
Alan Baker
2020-09-10 23:49:47 UTC
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Post by geoff
Don't be ridiculous man, I treat everyone the same although I know that precisely that is
labeled as racist nowadays. Louise (good name for that drama queen) himself started calling
people ignorant for saying that some blacks are more racist than whites.
Louise himself started whining about his color and how disadvantaged he was because of it.
He himself dresses in the clothes of a violent rioting movement.
Speaking of ignorance!
You know what, I don‘t even blame him entirely for his extreme ignorance, I can understand he
didn‘t notice much of the real world in the very privileged bubble where he grew up.
I do however think he is a ignorant hypocrite and that is entirely due to his behavior, I don‘t
care if he is red yellow black white or purple.
Edmund
try calling Bottas a "dumb blonde" and let´s see how many "racist" cries you´ll get... ;)
FB
A coloured person saying that certainly would get heaps.
geoff
That's the point that these social media warriors (or outright racists) miss entirely.
Racism is always wrong. I matters not if it's black on white or white
on black both are equally wrong. So called positive discrimination is
also wrong. Setting short list from particular races is evil racism,
there can be no argument.
People should get success on merit and merit alone all else is stupid
if not wicked.
Bob.
Then what do you feel about someone calling a black person an "ignorant
negro"?
Bob Latham
2020-09-11 10:54:00 UTC
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Racism is always wrong. I matters not if it's black on white or
white on black both are equally wrong. So called positive
discrimination is also wrong. Setting short list from particular
races is evil racism, there can be no argument.
People should get success on merit and merit alone all else is
stupid if not wicked.
Bob.
Then what do you feel about someone calling a black person an
"ignorant negro"?
Your question seems to suggest I should get all upset by the word
"Negro"? Sorry I thought the problem was the other N word.

How many words do you snowflakes wish to ban?

Having said that, I do question why it was necessary to involve
someone's race just to say you think they're ignorant. You wouldn't
often say someone was a ignorant tall bloke would you.

Bob.
geoff
2020-09-11 11:19:27 UTC
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Post by Bob Latham
Racism is always wrong. I matters not if it's black on white or
white on black both are equally wrong. So called positive
discrimination is also wrong. Setting short list from particular
races is evil racism, there can be no argument.
People should get success on merit and merit alone all else is
stupid if not wicked.
Bob.
Then what do you feel about someone calling a black person an
"ignorant negro"?
Your question seems to suggest I should get all upset by the word
"Negro"? Sorry I thought the problem was the other N word.
How many words do you snowflakes wish to ban?
Having said that, I do question why it was necessary to involve
someone's race just to say you think they're ignorant. You wouldn't
often say someone was a ignorant tall bloke would you.
Bob.
A bit like saying somebody is an ignorant American, potentially lumping
all into that category.

Patently untrue of course, but if you watch Fox News you could easily be
mistaken ...

geoff
Bob Latham
2020-09-11 12:02:14 UTC
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A bit like saying somebody is an ignorant American, potentially
lumping all into that category.
You do like double reading things don't you.
Post by geoff
Patently untrue of course, but if you watch Fox News you could
easily be mistaken ...
I don't have the pleasure unless unknown to me it is available in the
UK.

Bob.
geoff
2020-09-12 01:54:42 UTC
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Post by geoff
A bit like saying somebody is an ignorant American, potentially
lumping all into that category.
You do like double reading things don't you.
Post by geoff
Patently untrue of course, but if you watch Fox News you could
easily be mistaken ...
I don't have the pleasure unless unknown to me it is available in the
UK.
Bob.
Of course it is available in the UK. 10 seconds on Google finds :

How can I watch Fox in the UK?
FOX is available for Sky, NOW TV, Virgin Media and TalkTalk customers.
If don't have TV, you can still watch FOX series with an Entertainment
pass from NOW TV.Aug 25, 2020"


Great for a laugh. Well actually would be a laugh if the ramifications
of its drivel being the main source of 'news' that the USA watches.

geoff
Bob Latham
2020-09-12 10:34:50 UTC
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Post by geoff
A bit like saying somebody is an ignorant American, potentially
lumping all into that category.
You do like double reading things don't you.
Post by geoff
Patently untrue of course, but if you watch Fox News you could
easily be mistaken ...
I don't have the pleasure unless unknown to me it is available in the
UK.
Bob.
OK fine, I didn't know. I've never looked for it, I'm not interested
in it.
Post by geoff
How can I watch Fox in the UK?
FOX is available for Sky, NOW TV, Virgin Media and TalkTalk
customers.
If don't have TV, you can still watch FOX series with an
Entertainment pass from NOW TV.Aug 25, 2020"
Great for a laugh. Well actually would be a laugh if the
ramifications of its drivel being the main source of 'news' that
the USA watches.
Now talking of biased drivel, I used to watch the once respected CNN
and the BBC. Both are now clearly political activists not news feeds.

Bob.
geoff
2020-09-12 11:27:27 UTC
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A bit like saying somebody is an ignorant American, potentially
lumping all into that category.
You do like double reading things don't you.
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Patently untrue of course, but if you watch Fox News you could
easily be mistaken ...
I don't have the pleasure unless unknown to me it is available in the
UK.
Bob.
OK fine, I didn't know. I've never looked for it, I'm not interested
in it.
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How can I watch Fox in the UK?
FOX is available for Sky, NOW TV, Virgin Media and TalkTalk
customers.
If don't have TV, you can still watch FOX series with an
Entertainment pass from NOW TV.Aug 25, 2020"
Great for a laugh. Well actually would be a laugh if the
ramifications of its drivel being the main source of 'news' that
the USA watches.
Now talking of biased drivel, I used to watch the once respected CNN
and the BBC. Both are now clearly political activists not news feeds.
Bob.
You'd possibly love Faux News then.

geoff
Alan Baker
2020-09-12 14:25:42 UTC
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A bit like saying somebody is an ignorant American, potentially
lumping all into that category.
You do like double reading things don't you.
Post by geoff
Patently untrue of course, but if you watch Fox News you could
easily be mistaken ...
I don't have the pleasure unless unknown to me it is available in the
UK.
Bob.
OK fine, I didn't know. I've never looked for it, I'm not interested
in it.
Post by geoff
How can I watch Fox in the UK?
FOX is available for Sky, NOW TV, Virgin Media and TalkTalk
customers.
If don't have TV, you can still watch FOX series with an
Entertainment pass from NOW TV.Aug 25, 2020"
Great for a laugh. Well actually would be a laugh if the
ramifications of its drivel being the main source of 'news' that
the USA watches.
Now talking of biased drivel, I used to watch the once respected CNN
and the BBC. Both are now clearly political activists not news feeds.
Give a concrete example of this.
Bob Latham
2020-09-12 15:14:35 UTC
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Now talking of biased drivel, I used to watch the once respected
CNN and the BBC. Both are now clearly political activists not
news feeds.
Give a concrete example of this.
In that one line I now know you're a lefty.
CBA arguing with lefties.


Bob.
Alan Baker
2020-09-12 15:23:11 UTC
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Now talking of biased drivel, I used to watch the once respected
CNN and the BBC. Both are now clearly political activists not
news feeds.
Give a concrete example of this.
In that one line I now know you're a lefty.
CBA arguing with lefties.
In that response, I know you can't actually think of a concrete example.
Bigbird
2020-09-12 15:31:10 UTC
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Now talking of biased drivel, I used to watch the once respected
CNN and the BBC. Both are now clearly political activists not
news feeds.
Give a concrete example of this.
In that one line I now know you're a lefty.
CBA arguing with lefties.
Back to the safety of your right wing bubble.
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Bozo bin
Texasgate
Heron
Enjoy!
Bob Latham
2020-09-12 16:07:24 UTC
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Now talking of biased drivel, I used to watch the once respected
CNN and the BBC. Both are now clearly political activists not
news feeds.
Give a concrete example of this.
In that one line I now know you're a lefty.
CBA arguing with lefties.
Back to the safety of your right wing bubble.
If not subscribing to prevailing lunacy of identity politics
stupidity mean I'm right wing then so be it.

Perhaps you believe men can menstruate and that there are more that
two sexes and genders. Go on, please tell me you do so I can laugh at
you.

Bob.



Bob.

texas gate
2020-09-12 13:53:07 UTC
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USA
You have a sick obsession with the US.
You would be speaking japanese
if not for the US in WW2.
You thankless moron.
geoff
2020-09-10 00:03:12 UTC
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He himself dresses in the clothes of a violent rioting movement.
Speaking of ignorance!
Edmund
Are you for real ?

geoff
alister
2020-09-10 15:14:50 UTC
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He himself dresses in the clothes of a violent rioting movement.
Speaking of ignorance!
Edmund
Are you for real ?
geoff
unfortunately yes he is & now he has confirmed my suspicions of him I
will not waist any more time discussing things with him
--
greenrd's law
Evey post disparaging someone else's spelling or grammar, or
lauding
one's own spelling or grammar, will inevitably contain a spelling
or
grammatical error.
-- greenrd in http://www.kuro5hin.org/comments/
2002/4/16/61744/5230?pid=5#6
alister
2020-09-10 15:22:23 UTC
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He himself dresses in the clothes of a violent rioting movement.
Speaking of ignorance!
Edmund
Are you for real ?
Unfortunately yet he is
But as he has now confirmed it himself I wont be wasting any more time on
him
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geoff
--
The qotc (quote of the con) was Liz's:
"My brain is paged out to my liver."
Sir Tim
2020-09-10 08:34:28 UTC
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Edmund <***@hotmail.com> wrote:
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Speaking of ignorance!
You know what, I don’t even blame him entirely for his extreme
ignorance, I can understand he didn’t notice much of the real world in
the very privileged bubble where he grew up.
Speaking of ignorance, Lewis was bullied at primary school (and took up
karate to defend himself) and went to a voluntary aided state secondary
school. His parents were divorced and his father sometimes worked up to
three jobs at a time to support his early racing career. Doesn’t sound much
like a “very privileged bubble” to me.
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Sir Tim
CS
2020-09-10 09:04:04 UTC
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social media warriors ...
No, anti-social media warriors. Time to stop calling it social media when it is anything but.
Martin Harran
2020-09-11 11:19:44 UTC
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Analysis: Mercedes warned Hamilton not to
come into the pits four seconds too late
https://www.racefans.net/2020/09/07/analysis-mercedes-warned-hamilton-not-to-come-into-the-pits-four-seconds-too-late
Knowing where the signaling stations are and obeying the signals they
display is the driver's responsibility.
Karun Chandok covered that topic; he analyzed the in-car video showing
that the two warning signs for the pits were visible, though easy to
miss if you're not looking for them.
Even Jenson Button admitted he had never seen anything like it.
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Nevertheless, it was HAM's and GIO's responsibility to see them.
Dan
Lewis' closest competitor was more than 10 seconds behind him.
He was called into the pits, and the team apologized to Lewis
Yup, just like the team apologized to the ignorant negro after they told
him repeatedly to stay out....
Whining whining whining he wanted to come in, they team obeyed ... he
lost and the team again apologized for obeying him, how funny that was :-)
Edmund
So you, despicable little man, finally admit what most of us have long
suspected i.e. that your hatred of Hamilton is based on the colour of his
skin.
+1
texas gate
2020-09-11 15:46:05 UTC
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+1
thanks harry martin
Alan Baker
2020-09-08 17:38:36 UTC
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Analysis: Mercedes warned Hamilton not to come into the pits four
seconds too late
https://www.racefans.net/2020/09/07/analysis-mercedes-warned-hamilton-not-to-come-into-the-pits-four-seconds-too-late
Knowing where the signaling stations are and obeying the signals they
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display is the driver's responsibility.
Karun Chandok covered that topic; he analyzed the in-car video
showing that the two warning signs for the pits were visible, though
easy to miss if you're not looking for them. Nevertheless, it was
HAM's and GIO's responsibility to see them.
Except, as has already been posted, the signals were displayed at the
normal marshaling post for ALL "flags"...

...and drivers are ALWAYS checking those posts for flags/signals.
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