Discussion:
An excellent point: was Hamilton 4 wheels off?
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Alan Baker
2019-06-10 16:17:51 UTC
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Because if you consider that the normal racing line takes drivers beyond
the white line...

...then Vettel did leave Hamilton a car width between his Ferrari and
the wall.
Bigbird
2019-06-11 06:26:12 UTC
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Because if you consider that the normal racing line takes drivers
beyond the white line...
...then Vettel did leave Hamilton a car width between his Ferrari and
the wall.
No it isn't. It's desperate straw clutching.
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Alan Baker
2019-06-11 08:19:10 UTC
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Post by Bigbird
Post by Alan Baker
<https://twitter.com/autosport/status/1137805535242334209>
Because if you consider that the normal racing line takes drivers
beyond the white line...
...then Vettel did leave Hamilton a car width between his Ferrari and
the wall.
No it isn't. It's desperate straw clutching.
How so?

The rule says that you have to leave a cars width of the track...

...and the portion outside the white line right there was being used as
the track.
Bigbird
2019-06-11 09:04:53 UTC
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Post by Alan Baker
Post by Bigbird
Post by Alan Baker
<https://twitter.com/autosport/status/1137805535242334209>
Because if you consider that the normal racing line takes drivers
beyond the white line...
...then Vettel did leave Hamilton a car width between his Ferrari
and the wall.
No it isn't. It's desperate straw clutching.
How so?
The rule says that you have to leave a cars width of the track...
...and the portion outside the white line right there was being used
as the track.
That so! A closing gap off the track is not racing room in anyone's
book.

Stop being so desperate, your embarrassing yourself.

Call yourself a racing driver?! Really.
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Trump fact check:
The grand total as of Sunday: 4,913 false claims
Last week’s total: 31 false claims
That’s the 75th-worst week of his presidency out of 116 weeks so far.
Alan Baker
2019-06-12 02:57:54 UTC
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Post by Alan Baker
Post by Bigbird
Post by Alan Baker
<https://twitter.com/autosport/status/1137805535242334209>
Because if you consider that the normal racing line takes drivers
beyond the white line...
...then Vettel did leave Hamilton a car width between his Ferrari
and the wall.
No it isn't. It's desperate straw clutching.
How so?
The rule says that you have to leave a cars width of the track...
...and the portion outside the white line right there was being used
as the track.
That so! A closing gap off the track is not racing room in anyone's
book.
Then every driver who exceed the limit there should have been penalized.
Post by Bigbird
Stop being so desperate, your embarrassing yourself.
Call yourself a racing driver?! Really.
I am a racing driver... ...and instructor.
Bigbird
2019-06-12 07:15:23 UTC
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Post by Alan Baker
Post by Bigbird
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Bigbird
Post by Alan Baker
<https://twitter.com/autosport/status/1137805535242334209>
Because if you consider that the normal racing line takes
drivers beyond the white line...
...then Vettel did leave Hamilton a car width between his
Ferrari and the wall.
No it isn't. It's desperate straw clutching.
How so?
The rule says that you have to leave a cars width of the track...
...and the portion outside the white line right there was being
used as the track.
That so! A closing gap off the track is not racing room in anyone's
book.
Then every driver who exceed the limit there should have been
penalized.
Not only does that ridiculous non-sequitur not address the point just
demonstrates that going "racing" does not give you any claims to
intelligent comment of insight.

Drivers are not penalised for running through the gravel but you imply
it would be alright to push one out there. Forcing a driver off circuit
is an offence.

You are embarrassing yourself.
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Bigbird
Stop being so desperate, your embarrassing yourself.
Call yourself a racing driver?! Really.
I am a racing driver... ...and instructor.
That's a sad indictment.

You are embarrassing yourself.
--
Trump fact check:
The grand total as of Sunday: 4,913 false claims
Last week’s total: 31 false claims
That’s the 75th-worst week of his presidency out of 116 weeks so far.
Alan Baker
2019-06-12 15:36:49 UTC
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Post by Bigbird
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Bigbird
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Bigbird
Post by Alan Baker
<https://twitter.com/autosport/status/1137805535242334209>
Because if you consider that the normal racing line takes
drivers beyond the white line...
...then Vettel did leave Hamilton a car width between his
Ferrari and the wall.
No it isn't. It's desperate straw clutching.
How so?
The rule says that you have to leave a cars width of the track...
...and the portion outside the white line right there was being
used as the track.
That so! A closing gap off the track is not racing room in anyone's
book.
Then every driver who exceed the limit there should have been
penalized.
Not only does that ridiculous non-sequitur not address the point just
demonstrates that going "racing" does not give you any claims to
intelligent comment of insight.
Drivers are not penalised for running through the gravel but you imply
it would be alright to push one out there. Forcing a driver off circuit
is an offence.
You are embarrassing yourself.
There was no gravel at the exit of turn 4.
Bigbird
2019-06-13 09:36:52 UTC
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Post by Alan Baker
Post by Bigbird
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Post by Alan Baker
Post by Bigbird
Post by Alan Baker
<https://twitter.com/autosport/status/1137805535242334209>
Because if you consider that the normal racing line takes
drivers beyond the white line...
...then Vettel did leave Hamilton a car width between his
Ferrari and the wall.
No it isn't. It's desperate straw clutching.
How so?
The rule says that you have to leave a cars width of the track...
...and the portion outside the white line right there was
being used as the track.
That so! A closing gap off the track is not racing room in
anyone's book.
Then every driver who exceed the limit there should have been penalized.
Not only does that ridiculous non-sequitur not address the point
just demonstrates that going "racing" does not give you any claims
to intelligent comment of insight.
Drivers are not penalised for running through the gravel but you
imply it would be alright to push one out there. Forcing a driver
off circuit is an offence.
You are embarrassing yourself.
There was no gravel at the exit of turn 4.
No-one said there was.

You are embarrassing yourself.
--
Trump fact check:
The grand total as of Sunday: 4,913 false claims
Last week’s total: 31 false claims
That’s the 75th-worst week of his presidency out of 116 weeks so far.
Alan Baker
2019-06-13 16:41:19 UTC
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Post by Bigbird
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Bigbird
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Bigbird
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Bigbird
Post by Alan Baker
<https://twitter.com/autosport/status/1137805535242334209>
Because if you consider that the normal racing line takes
drivers beyond the white line...
...then Vettel did leave Hamilton a car width between his
Ferrari and the wall.
No it isn't. It's desperate straw clutching.
How so?
The rule says that you have to leave a cars width of the
track...
...and the portion outside the white line right there was
being used as the track.
That so! A closing gap off the track is not racing room in
anyone's book.
Then every driver who exceed the limit there should have been penalized.
Not only does that ridiculous non-sequitur not address the point
just demonstrates that going "racing" does not give you any claims
to intelligent comment of insight.
Drivers are not penalised for running through the gravel but you
imply it would be alright to push one out there. Forcing a driver
off circuit is an offence.
You are embarrassing yourself.
There was no gravel at the exit of turn 4.
No-one said there was.
You are embarrassing yourself.
You tried to draw an analogy with the current situation, but driver's
don't deliberately put four wheels into the gravel.
Bigbird
2019-06-13 17:03:08 UTC
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Post by Alan Baker
Post by Bigbird
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Bigbird
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Bigbird
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Bigbird
Post by Alan Baker
Because if you consider that the normal racing line
takes drivers beyond the white line...
...then Vettel did leave Hamilton a car width between
his Ferrari and the wall.
No it isn't. It's desperate straw clutching.
How so?
The rule says that you have to leave a cars width of the track...
...and the portion outside the white line right there was
being used as the track.
That so! A closing gap off the track is not racing room in
anyone's book.
Then every driver who exceed the limit there should have been penalized.
Not only does that ridiculous non-sequitur not address the point
just demonstrates that going "racing" does not give you any
claims to intelligent comment of insight.
Drivers are not penalised for running through the gravel but you
imply it would be alright to push one out there. Forcing a
driver off circuit is an offence.
You are embarrassing yourself.
There was no gravel at the exit of turn 4.
No-one said there was.
You are embarrassing yourself.
You tried to draw an analogy with the current situation, but driver's
don't deliberately put four wheels into the gravel.
Neither do they voluntarily put themselves off track between another
car and the wall.

You can stop embarrassing yourself anytime... with a little effort.
--
Trump fact check:
The grand total as of Sunday: 4,913 false claims
Last week’s total: 31 false claims
That’s the 75th-worst week of his presidency out of 116 weeks so far.
Alan Baker
2019-06-13 17:04:48 UTC
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Post by Alan Baker
<https://twitter.com/autosport/status/1137805535242334209>
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Bigbird
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Bigbird
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Bigbird
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Bigbird
Post by Alan Baker
Because if you consider that the normal racing line
takes drivers beyond the white line...
...then Vettel did leave Hamilton a car width between
his Ferrari and the wall.
No it isn't. It's desperate straw clutching.
How so?
The rule says that you have to leave a cars width of the track...
...and the portion outside the white line right there was
being used as the track.
That so! A closing gap off the track is not racing room in
anyone's book.
Then every driver who exceed the limit there should have been penalized.
Not only does that ridiculous non-sequitur not address the point
just demonstrates that going "racing" does not give you any
claims to intelligent comment of insight.
Drivers are not penalised for running through the gravel but you
imply it would be alright to push one out there. Forcing a
driver off circuit is an offence.
You are embarrassing yourself.
There was no gravel at the exit of turn 4.
No-one said there was.
You are embarrassing yourself.
You tried to draw an analogy with the current situation, but driver's
don't deliberately put four wheels into the gravel.
Neither do they voluntarily put themselves off track between another
car and the wall.
The did voluntarily put themselves outside the white line at the exit of
turn 4 on the Circuit de Gilles Villeneuve. That makes that part of the
track a de facto part of the course.
Post by Alan Baker
You can stop embarrassing yourself anytime... with a little effort.
Bigbird
2019-06-13 17:37:54 UTC
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Post by Alan Baker
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Post by Alan Baker
Post by Bigbird
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Bigbird
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Bigbird
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Bigbird
Post by Alan Baker
Because if you consider that the normal racing
line takes drivers beyond the white line...
...then Vettel did leave Hamilton a car width
between his Ferrari and the wall.
No it isn't. It's desperate straw clutching.
How so?
The rule says that you have to leave a cars width of
the track...
...and the portion outside the white line right there
was being used as the track.
That so! A closing gap off the track is not racing room
in anyone's book.
Then every driver who exceed the limit there should have
been penalized.
Not only does that ridiculous non-sequitur not address the
point just demonstrates that going "racing" does not give
you any claims to intelligent comment of insight.
Drivers are not penalised for running through the gravel
but you imply it would be alright to push one out there.
Forcing a driver off circuit is an offence.
You are embarrassing yourself.
There was no gravel at the exit of turn 4.
No-one said there was.
You are embarrassing yourself.
You tried to draw an analogy with the current situation, but
driver's don't deliberately put four wheels into the gravel.
Neither do they voluntarily put themselves off track between another
car and the wall.
The did voluntarily put themselves outside the white line at the exit
of turn 4 on the Circuit de Gilles Villeneuve.
So not the same at all then. Your argument is erroneous.
Post by Alan Baker
That makes that part
of the track a de facto part of the course.
A completely meaningless reach. The track is defined as the bit between
the white lines.
--
Trump fact check:
The grand total as of Sunday: 4,913 false claims
Last week’s total: 31 false claims
That’s the 75th-worst week of his presidency out of 116 weeks so far.
Alan Baker
2019-06-13 17:42:20 UTC
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Post by Alan Baker
Because if you consider that the normal racing
line takes drivers beyond the white line...
...then Vettel did leave Hamilton a car width
between his Ferrari and the wall.
No it isn't. It's desperate straw clutching.
How so?
The rule says that you have to leave a cars width of
the track...
...and the portion outside the white line right there
was being used as the track.
That so! A closing gap off the track is not racing room
in anyone's book.
Then every driver who exceed the limit there should have been penalized.
Not only does that ridiculous non-sequitur not address the
point just demonstrates that going "racing" does not give
you any claims to intelligent comment of insight.
Drivers are not penalised for running through the gravel
but you imply it would be alright to push one out there.
Forcing a driver off circuit is an offence.
You are embarrassing yourself.
There was no gravel at the exit of turn 4.
No-one said there was.
You are embarrassing yourself.
You tried to draw an analogy with the current situation, but
driver's don't deliberately put four wheels into the gravel.
Neither do they voluntarily put themselves off track between another
car and the wall.
The did voluntarily put themselves outside the white line at the exit
of turn 4 on the Circuit de Gilles Villeneuve.
So not the same at all then. Your argument is erroneous.
It isn't the same. That's MY point.
Post by Bigbird
Post by Alan Baker
That makes that part
of the track a de facto part of the course.
A completely meaningless reach. The track is defined as the bit between
the white lines.
Nope. If the officials of the race aren't penalizing drivers for using
the area outside the white lines, then how can they turn around and
claim Vettel was wrong to force someone out there?
geoff
2019-06-13 21:46:50 UTC
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Post by Bigbird
A completely meaningless reach. The track is defined as the bit between
the white lines.
Nope. If the officials of the race aren't penalizing drivers for using
the area outside the white lines, then how can they turn around and
claim Vettel was wrong to force someone out there?
Getting desperate with increasingly bizarre theories now ?

geoff
t***@gmail.com
2019-06-13 22:29:41 UTC
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Getting desperate with increasingly bizarre theories now ?
and you, the useless peanut gallery, like clockwork
Alan Baker
2019-06-14 06:15:57 UTC
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Post by Alan Baker
Post by Bigbird
A completely meaningless reach. The track is defined as the bit between
the white lines.
Nope. If the officials of the race aren't penalizing drivers for using
the area outside the white lines, then how can they turn around and
claim Vettel was wrong to force someone out there?
Getting desperate with increasingly bizarre theories now ?
geoff
It's not a bizarre theory.

The way the race was called, running beyond the white line was allowed.

Ergo, it must be deemed to have been a part of the track.

Therefore, if Vettel's position caused Hamilton to go beyond the white
line, he didn't force Hamilton OFF the track.
geoff
2019-06-14 11:26:45 UTC
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Post by Alan Baker
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Post by Bigbird
A completely meaningless reach. The track is defined as the bit between
the white lines.
Nope. If the officials of the race aren't penalizing drivers for
using the area outside the white lines, then how can they turn around
and claim Vettel was wrong to force someone out there?
Getting desperate with increasingly bizarre theories now ?
geoff
It's not a bizarre theory.
The way the race was called, running beyond the white line was allowed.
Ergo, it must be deemed to have been a part of the track.
Therefore, if Vettel's position caused Hamilton to go beyond the white
line, he didn't force Hamilton OFF the track.
Desperation shnowing in your argument here. Was it officially stated
that the 4-wheels-white-line thing didn't apply for this race or something ?

Is into the Armco also still "on the track" ?

geoff
Alan Baker
2019-06-14 15:32:57 UTC
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Post by Bigbird
A completely meaningless reach. The track is defined as the bit between
the white lines.
Nope. If the officials of the race aren't penalizing drivers for
using the area outside the white lines, then how can they turn
around and claim Vettel was wrong to force someone out there?
Getting desperate with increasingly bizarre theories now ?
geoff
It's not a bizarre theory.
The way the race was called, running beyond the white line was allowed.
Ergo, it must be deemed to have been a part of the track.
Therefore, if Vettel's position caused Hamilton to go beyond the white
line, he didn't force Hamilton OFF the track.
Desperation shnowing in your argument here. Was it officially stated
that the 4-wheels-white-line thing didn't apply for this race or something ?
Officially stated or not, how can Vettel be penalized for forcing
someone to drive where they're normally driving.
Post by geoff
Is into the Armco also still "on the track" ?
There was no armco there. And can you show us that Vettel didn't leave a
bare car width between his car and the wall?

t***@gmail.com
2019-06-12 04:02:44 UTC
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Post by Bigbird
Stop being so desperate, your embarrassing yourself.
need any more hand outs for saving your ass in ww2?
t***@gmail.com
2019-06-12 06:05:23 UTC
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Post by Bigbird
your embarrassing yourself.
That would be you're or you are.
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