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Mercedes cheat steering in Austria
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Ar
2020-07-04 19:17:59 UTC
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Now seen on Channel 4's F1 coverage, how is Mercedes cheat steering
system not illegal, changing the toe angle and hence contact patch is an
aero aid, and other than DRS, the driver is not allowed to change the
aero on a car.

No wonder the cheats are so far in front of everyone in the Austrian GP
qualifying.


CS
2020-07-04 21:51:04 UTC
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changing the toe angle and hence contact patch is an aero aid, and other than DRS, the driver is not allowed to change the aero on a car.
You are well behind the curve. The tyre contact patch changes all the time in normal cornering. So by your definition is also illegal.
Alan Baker
2020-07-04 21:58:25 UTC
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Post by CS
changing the toe angle and hence contact patch is an aero aid, and other than DRS, the driver is not allowed to change the aero on a car.
You are well behind the curve. The tyre contact patch changes all the time in normal cornering. So by your definition is also illegal.
This is the absurdity of modern F1: a team finds a completely legal way
to improve their cars...

...and so the FIA change the rules to ban it the next year.

They do it for one reason and one reason only:

If they don't, everyone will have to spend money to add it to their own
cars.
Alan Baker
2020-07-04 21:53:48 UTC
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Post by Ar
Now seen on Channel 4's F1 coverage, how is Mercedes cheat steering
system not illegal, changing the toe angle and hence contact patch is an
aero aid, and other than DRS, the driver is not allowed to change the
aero on a car.
No wonder the cheats are so far in front of everyone in the Austrian GP
qualifying.
http://youtu.be/U_uKHNJLSQs
1. How is changing the contact patch an AERO change?

2. Steering ALWAYS changes the angles of the wheels: that's its purpose.

3. Steering the wheels ALWAYS changes the aerodynamics of the car. It's
not its purpose directly, but I can guarantee you that if there is a way
to get a positive interaction from steering the front tires and the
downforce the car generates, teams are already doing it.
John
2020-07-05 19:26:06 UTC
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Post by Ar
Now seen on Channel 4's F1 coverage, how is Mercedes cheat steering
system not illegal, changing the toe angle and hence contact patch is an
aero aid, and other than DRS, the driver is not allowed to change the
aero on a car.
No wonder the cheats are so far in front of everyone in the Austrian GP
qualifying.
http://youtu.be/U_uKHNJLSQs
If it was on any other than the Merc it wouldn't be.
Yousuf Khan
2020-07-07 10:10:44 UTC
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Post by Ar
Now seen on Channel 4's F1 coverage, how is Mercedes cheat steering
system not illegal, changing the toe angle and hence contact patch is an
aero aid, and other than DRS, the driver is not allowed to change the
aero on a car.
No wonder the cheats are so far in front of everyone in the Austrian GP
qualifying.
http://youtu.be/U_uKHNJLSQs
Not according to the FIA. Mercedes submitted the design to the FIA a few
years ago, and the FIA ruled their initial design was illegal, but then
they approved a subsequent revision. So the FIA actually helped design
the version that got approved, by telling them what they could or
couldn't do with it.

Yousuf Khan
CS
2020-07-07 12:24:51 UTC
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Post by Yousuf Khan
Not according to the FIA. Mercedes submitted the design to the FIA a few
years ago, and the FIA ruled their initial design was illegal, but then
they approved a subsequent revision. So the FIA actually helped design
the version that got approved, by telling them what they could or
couldn't do with it.
The version I heard was that the FIA told Mercedes what would be OK. The FIA engineers thought they had set the bar so high that Mercedes would not be able to meet the requirements. Well, they did and FIA had to admit early in 2020 that it was OK.
Yousuf Khan
2020-07-08 09:33:07 UTC
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Post by CS
Post by Yousuf Khan
Not according to the FIA. Mercedes submitted the design to the FIA a few
years ago, and the FIA ruled their initial design was illegal, but then
they approved a subsequent revision. So the FIA actually helped design
the version that got approved, by telling them what they could or
couldn't do with it.
The version I heard was that the FIA told Mercedes what would be OK. The FIA engineers thought they had set the bar so high that Mercedes would not be able to meet the requirements. Well, they did and FIA had to admit early in 2020 that it was OK.
I think that's pretty much exactly the same story.

Yousuf Khan

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