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FIA corruption strike again
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Dai Jones
2020-08-13 13:36:33 UTC
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Formula 1 teams have been informed by the FIA of plans for new restrictions on engine modes for qualifying which will be put in place by the Belgian Grand Prix.
Engineering excellence is banned as Ferrari can't get there without
cheating.
Heron
2020-08-13 14:19:59 UTC
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Post by Dai Jones
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Formula 1 teams have been informed by the FIA of plans for new
restrictions on engine modes for qualifying which will be put in place
by the Belgian Grand Prix.
Engineering excellence is banned as Ferrari can't get there without
cheating.
Yes, they continue to harass Mercedes for their brilliant
innovations (DAS, superior engines, tire optimization) while
making secret deals for Ferrari's blatant rules violations.
~misfit~
2020-08-14 06:37:38 UTC
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Formula 1 teams have been informed by the FIA of plans for new restrictions on engine modes for
qualifying which will be put in place by the Belgian Grand Prix.
Engineering excellence is banned as Ferrari can't get there without cheating.
Yes, they continue to harass Mercedes for their brilliant
innovations (DAS, superior engines, tire optimization) while
making secret deals for Ferrari's blatant rules violations.
Yet there are people who say Formula 1 wouldn't be the same without Ferrari. I say bring it on -
let the cheating bastards take their toys and go home. They're dragging down the whole sport with
their cheating and favoured position.
--
Shaun.

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in the DSM"
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Sir Tim
2020-08-14 10:15:54 UTC
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Post by Heron
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Formula 1 teams have been informed by the FIA of plans for new
restrictions on engine modes for
qualifying which will be put in place by the Belgian Grand Prix.
Engineering excellence is banned as Ferrari can't get there without cheating.
Yes, they continue to harass Mercedes for their brilliant
innovations (DAS, superior engines, tire optimization) while
making secret deals for Ferrari's blatant rules violations.
Yet there are people who say Formula 1 wouldn't be the same without
Ferrari. I say bring it on -
let the cheating bastards take their toys and go home. They're dragging
down the whole sport with
their cheating and favoured position.
Couldn’t agree more. This is a blatant attempt by Ferrari International
Assistance to slow Mercedes down. It may or may not be a good thing for the
future but should not be introduced mid season simply to penalise Mercedes
(and Williams an RP of course) for being cleverer than the other teams.
--
Sir Tim
Slang
2020-08-15 14:04:13 UTC
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Post by Sir Tim
Couldn’t agree more. This is a blatant attempt by Ferrari International
Assistance to slow Mercedes down. It may or may not be a good thing for the
future but should not be introduced mid season simply to penalise Mercedes
(and Williams an RP of course) for being cleverer than the other teams.
Ferrari cheated last year by scrubbing the flow meter. I think it's clear.
Where does MB find the absurd speeds in qualifying (they gain from 5 to
10 km / h in the maximum speeds in the various sectors from Q1 to Q3,
without changing the aerodynamics)? Miracle fuel? or do they also have
some illegal tricks?
Remember that the agreement between Ferrari and the FIA provided for
SF's advice to help eliminate the "gray areas" and make things more
"regular".
Since the FIA, alone, can't control NOTHING.
This is one of the first results of this counseling and other things
will come.
S
Dai Jones
2020-08-16 23:18:09 UTC
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Post by Slang
Post by Sir Tim
Couldn’t agree more. This is a blatant attempt by Ferrari International
Assistance to slow Mercedes down. It may or may not be a good thing for the
future but should not be introduced mid season simply to penalise Mercedes
(and Williams an RP of course) for being cleverer than the other teams.
Ferrari cheated last year by scrubbing the flow meter. I think it's clear.
Where does MB find the absurd speeds in qualifying (they gain from 5 to
10 km / h in the maximum speeds in the various sectors from Q1 to Q3,
without changing the aerodynamics)? Miracle fuel? or do they also have
some illegal tricks?
Remember that the agreement between Ferrari and the FIA provided for
SF's advice to help eliminate the "gray areas" and make things more
"regular".
Since the FIA, alone, can't control NOTHING.
This is one of the first results of this counseling and other things
will come.
S
Mercedes just do enough to get through to Q3. According to someone on
Sky, Mercedes didn't use *party time* at all on Saturday. Without
cheating, they've got enough engine power to see off the other
manufacturers.
t***@gmail.com
2020-08-17 04:49:10 UTC
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Without cheating, they've got enough engine power to see off the other
manufacturers.
'see off'? What does that mean Gai Jones?
t***@gmail.com
2020-08-17 04:57:07 UTC
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Without cheating, they've got enough engine power to see off the other
manufacturers.
Hi Gai Jones. What do mean 'see off'?
Brian Lawrence
2020-08-18 08:29:41 UTC
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On 15/08/2020 15:04, Slang wrote:

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Post by Slang
Where does MB find the absurd speeds in qualifying (they gain from 5 to
10 km / h in the maximum speeds in the various sectors from Q1 to Q3,
without changing the aerodynamics)? Miracle fuel? or do they also have
some illegal tricks?
Just curious, does anyone know how long each sector is? The circuit maps
show where each sector ends, but how many metres is each one?

If we had the sector lengths we could work out the average speed over
each sector.

We do have lap lengths and average speeds of course - so far in 2020
the biggest increase from Q1 to Q2 was 4.5kph (Albon in Styrian GP,
where qualifying took place in wet conditions). If you exclude the
sessions where a driver was slower in Q2 than they were in Q1, the
avg increase (of 79) was 1.5kph.

Same with Q2 to Q3 - exclude slower runs in Q3 - avg increase 1.2kph
(of 40).
Geoff May
2020-08-18 09:30:48 UTC
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Post by Brian Lawrence
[snip]
Post by Slang
Where does MB find the absurd speeds in qualifying (they gain from 5
to 10 km / h in the maximum speeds in the various sectors from Q1 to
Q3, without changing the aerodynamics)? Miracle fuel? or do they also
have some illegal tricks?
Just curious, does anyone know how long each sector is? The circuit maps
show where each sector ends, but how many metres is each one?
If we had the sector lengths we could work out the average speed over
each sector.
We do have lap lengths and average speeds of course - so far in 2020
the biggest increase from Q1 to Q2 was 4.5kph (Albon in Styrian GP,
where qualifying took place in wet conditions). If you exclude the
sessions where a driver was slower in Q2 than they were in Q1, the
avg increase (of 79) was 1.5kph.
Same with Q2 to Q3 - exclude slower runs in Q3 - avg increase 1.2kph
(of 40).
Not sure of exact lengths but www.f1.com defines a sector as about 1/3 a
lap:
https://www.formula1.com/en/championship/inside-f1/glossary.html

Cheers

Geoff
Slang
2020-08-22 01:09:05 UTC
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Post by Brian Lawrence
[snip]
Post by Slang
Where does MB find the absurd speeds in qualifying (they gain from 5
to 10 km / h in the maximum speeds in the various sectors from Q1 to
Q3, without changing the aerodynamics)? Miracle fuel? or do they also
have some illegal tricks?
Just curious, does anyone know how long each sector is? The circuit maps
show where each sector ends, but how many metres is each one?
If we had the sector lengths we could work out the average speed over
each sector.
We do have lap lengths and average speeds of course - so far in 2020
the biggest increase from Q1 to Q2 was 4.5kph (Albon in Styrian GP,
where qualifying took place in wet conditions). If you exclude the
sessions where a driver was slower in Q2 than they were in Q1, the
avg increase (of 79) was 1.5kph.
Same with Q2 to Q3 - exclude slower runs in Q3 - avg increase 1.2kph
(of 40).
I do not mean the average speeds, but maximum speeds increments.
This is the parameter that shows the real PU power of each car.
S
Brian Lawrence
2020-08-22 08:56:27 UTC
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Post by Slang
Post by Brian Lawrence
[snip]
Post by Slang
Where does MB find the absurd speeds in qualifying (they gain from 5
to 10 km / h in the maximum speeds in the various sectors from Q1 to
Q3, without changing the aerodynamics)? Miracle fuel? or do they also
have some illegal tricks?
Just curious, does anyone know how long each sector is? The circuit maps
show where each sector ends, but how many metres is each one?
If we had the sector lengths we could work out the average speed over
each sector.
We do have lap lengths and average speeds of course - so far in 2020
the biggest increase from Q1 to Q2 was 4.5kph (Albon in Styrian GP,
where qualifying took place in wet conditions). If you exclude the
sessions where a driver was slower in Q2 than they were in Q1, the
avg increase (of 79) was 1.5kph.
Same with Q2 to Q3 - exclude slower runs in Q3 - avg increase 1.2kph
(of 40).
I do not mean the average speeds, but maximum speeds increments.
This is the parameter that shows the real PU power of each car.
Yes I read what you wrote, which prompted me to ask about actual sector
lengths at each track. Were that data available it would be easier to
analyse performance in Qually.

FWIW in the last GP (ESP), the Max speeds in Qually were:

Speed Trap Sainz 329.0 kph
Finish Line Stroll 291.4 kph
Int. 1 Stroll 295.6 kph
Int. 2 Hamilton 310.1 kph

The Catalunya Speed Trap is 220m before Turn 1.
Int. 1/2 are the ends of Sectors 1 & 2 (Finish Line obv. is end of S3).

Again, FWIW, Bottas was 15th, 7th, 8th & 2nd at the above timing points.
Hamilton was 17th, 8th, 6th & 1st. Bottas was quicker at SP & FL, and
Hamilton at I1 & I2.

texas gate
2020-08-14 11:43:57 UTC
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cheating bastards
like you pirating f1 tv coverage
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their cheating
like you pirating f1 tv coverage
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Shaun.
"Humans will have advanced a long, long way when religious belief has a cozy little classification
in the DSM"
David Melville
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texas gate
2020-08-14 11:47:47 UTC
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I say bring it on -
--
Shaun.
"Humans will have advanced a long, long way when religious belief has a cozy little classification
in the DSM"
David Melville
This is not an email and hasn't been checked for viruses by any half-arsed self-promoting software.
You have no say because you steal from the sport.
You mouthpiece, pirating, piece of shit, cock sucker.
XYXPDQ
2020-08-18 09:20:43 UTC
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Post by Dai Jones
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Formula 1 teams have been informed by the FIA of plans for new
restrictions on engine modes for qualifying which will be put in place
by the Belgian Grand Prix.
Engineering excellence is banned as Ferrari can't get there without
cheating.
Yes, they continue to harass Mercedes for their brilliant
innovations (DAS, superior engines, tire optimization) while
making secret deals for Ferrari's blatant rules violations.
ROFDLOL
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