l***@gmail.com

2018-07-29 14:13:08 UTC

Hungarian GP winner hasn't won the WDC in 14 years.

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l***@gmail.com

2018-07-29 14:13:08 UTC

Hungarian GP winner hasn't won the WDC in 14 years.

Alister

2018-07-29 14:47:31 UTC

Time to break the jinx then

Just like England & Penalty shoot outs

Just like England & Penalty shoot outs

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l***@gmail.com

2018-07-29 20:45:19 UTC

Vettel is the most overrated and luckiest WC the sport has ever seen.

Now watch him win an undeserved 5th title this year.

He can only win races starting 1st-3rd on the grid.

Now watch him win an undeserved 5th title this year.

He can only win races starting 1st-3rd on the grid.

Sir Tim

2018-07-29 20:58:58 UTC

Vettel is the most overrated and luckiest WC the sport has ever seen.

Now watch him win an undeserved 5th title this year.

He can only win races starting 1st-3rd on the grid.

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Sir Tim

Sir Tim

Brian W Lawrence

2018-07-30 09:19:48 UTC

Vettel is the most overrated and luckiest WC the sport has ever seen.

Now watch him win an undeserved 5th title this year.

He can only win races starting 1st-3rd on the grid.

correct. Of Seb's 51 victories 31 came from pole, 15 from P2 & 5 from P3.

I was surprised. Mind you Lewis only has 5 wins from P4 or lower. MSC

had 7.

Bigbird

2018-07-30 11:45:22 UTC

Vettel is the most overrated and luckiest WC the sport has ever seen.

Now watch him win an undeserved 5th title this year.

He can only win races starting 1st-3rd on the grid.

correct. Of Seb's 51 victories 31 came from pole, 15 from P2 & 5 from P3.

I was surprised. Mind you Lewis only has 5 wins from P4 or lower. MSC

had 7.

(of course you do).

Brian W Lawrence

2018-07-30 13:55:36 UTC

Vettel is the most overrated and luckiest WC the sport has ever seen.

Now watch him win an undeserved 5th title this year.

He can only win races starting 1st-3rd on the grid.

correct. Of Seb's 51 victories 31 came from pole, 15 from P2 & 5 from P3.

I was surprised. Mind you Lewis only has 5 wins from P4 or lower. MSC

had 7.

(of course you do).

Brian W Lawrence

2018-07-30 14:30:26 UTC

Vettel is the most overrated and luckiest WC the sport has ever seen.

Now watch him win an undeserved 5th title this year.

He can only win races starting 1st-3rd on the grid.

correct. Of Seb's 51 victories 31 came from pole, 15 from P2 & 5 from P3.

I was surprised. Mind you Lewis only has 5 wins from P4 or lower. MSC

had 7.

(of course you do).

Pole 67

2nd 47

3rd 53

He started 306 GPs, so 139 (45.4%) were outside top 3.

Hamilton

Pole 77

2nd 48

3rd 21

220 starts, 74 (33,6%).

Vettel

Pole 55

2nd 36

3rd 32

210 starts, 87 (41.4%).

Brian W Lawrence

2018-07-30 14:34:24 UTC

Sorry, I should have said - I assume that the grid positions I was

looking at do not include any where a driver was relegated to the back

of the grid. I think that happened to MSC at least once.

looking at do not include any where a driver was relegated to the back

of the grid. I think that happened to MSC at least once.

M2T

2018-07-30 14:53:14 UTC

Sorry, I should have said - I assume that the grid positions I was

looking at do not include any where a driver was relegated to the back

of the grid. I think that happened to MSC at least once.

Several drivers have made pole, but started from further back. Dumped

to back must be very rare.

Brian W Lawrence

2018-07-30 15:52:24 UTC

Sorry, I should have said - I assume that the grid positions I was

looking at do not include any where a driver was relegated to the back

of the grid. I think that happened to MSC at least once.

which was actually a pitlane start.

Several drivers have made pole, but started from further back. Dumped

to back must be very rare.

was aborted and MSC had to start from the back. Haven't located it though.

<pause>

Japan 1998, MSC trailed HAK by 4 points, qualified on Pole.

"The start of the race was aborted with the Prost car of Jarno Trulli

stalling from 14th position. Before the second attempt to start the

race, Schumacher's Ferrari moved forward from his starting position and

stalled as he put his car into gear. This promoted Häkkinen into pole

position as Schumacher started from the back of the grid."

He had a tyre problem and retired after 31 laps - at which point he was

in 3rd place, behind HAK & IRV.

That is listed as P1 in my data, because he lined up in P1 ready for the

start.

t***@gmail.com

2018-07-30 20:44:06 UTC

Calum

2018-07-30 09:29:27 UTC

So he's going to finish 4th then...

Dan the Man

2018-07-30 00:13:07 UTC

Jinxes are made to be broken; here in the States, Houston (baseball), Philadelphia (NFL Super Bowl), and Washington (hockey) have all won their first titles.

RzR

2018-07-30 10:45:57 UTC

that's ok, he will break schumi wins record soon, so he needs all the

victories he can get...even the jinxed ones...

victories he can get...even the jinxed ones...

l***@gmail.com

2018-07-30 11:44:28 UTC

Lewis is a rainmaster, unlike Vettel.

Bigbird

2018-07-30 11:54:06 UTC

that's ok, he will break schumi wins record soon, so he needs all the

victories he can get...even the jinxed ones...

LH 67/220

Halmyre

2018-07-30 12:10:12 UTC

that's ok, he will break schumi wins record soon, so he needs all the

victories he can get...even the jinxed ones...

LH 67/220

M2T

2018-07-30 12:35:23 UTC

that's ok, he will break schumi wins record soon, so he needs all the

victories he can get...even the jinxed ones...

LH 67/220

never stood a chance of winning in the Mercedes. On that basis a couple

of seasons should be dropped from LH's total as he was driving a camel

for McLaren and Mercedes.

Sir Tim

2018-07-30 13:03:19 UTC

It looks like seasons 2010 to 2012 have been discounted on the basis MS

never stood a chance of winning in the Mercedes.

Fred’s races with the current McLaren team in order to make his record look

better.

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Sir Tim

Sir Tim

M2T

2018-07-30 14:04:16 UTC

It looks like seasons 2010 to 2012 have been discounted on the basis MS

never stood a chance of winning in the Mercedes.

Fred’s races with the current McLaren team in order to make his record look

better.

https://formula1.markwessel.com/driver/Michael%20Schumacher

Bigbird

2018-07-30 14:28:06 UTC

that's ok, he will break schumi wins record soon, so he needs

all the victories he can get...even the jinxed ones...

LH 67/220

wins/race. And he only has to win the next 70 on the trot to beat

Fangio... (or the next 87 if you want to count Lee Wallard in the

statistics)

MS never stood a chance of winning in the Mercedes. On that basis a

couple of seasons should be dropped from LH's total as he was driving

a camel for McLaren and Mercedes.

last win.

RzR

2018-07-31 14:02:41 UTC

that's ok, he will break schumi wins record soon, so he needs

all the victories he can get...even the jinxed ones...

LH 67/220

wins/race. And he only has to win the next 70 on the trot to beat

Fangio... (or the next 87 if you want to count Lee Wallard in the

statistics)

MS never stood a chance of winning in the Mercedes. On that basis a

couple of seasons should be dropped from LH's total as he was driving

a camel for McLaren and Mercedes.

last win.

Bigbird

2018-07-31 16:08:54 UTC

that's ok, he will break schumi wins record soon, so he

needs all the victories he can get...even the jinxed ones...

LH 67/220

wins/race. And he only has to win the next 70 on the trot to

beat Fangio... (or the next 87 if you want to count Lee Wallard

in the statistics)

basis MS never stood a chance of winning in the Mercedes. On that

basis a couple of seasons should be dropped from LH's total as he

was driving a camel for McLaren and Mercedes.

his last win.

...you want to compare something else, go ahead.

M2T

2018-07-30 12:11:52 UTC

that's ok, he will break schumi wins record soon, so he needs all the

victories he can get...even the jinxed ones...

LH 67/220

Edmund

2018-07-31 07:46:30 UTC

So? He is likely to win easily, he has by far the best car

and an obedient wingman in the second fastest car.

No matter is constant whining about Red Bull has the bast package

or Ferrari has the fastest car, all plain BS.

Edmund

and an obedient wingman in the second fastest car.

No matter is constant whining about Red Bull has the bast package

or Ferrari has the fastest car, all plain BS.

Edmund

Bigbird

2018-07-31 09:08:35 UTC

So? He is likely to win easily, he has by far the best car

and an obedient wingman in the second fastest car.

Yeah, I hate guys constantly whining about the same old thing... even

when they know it is plain BS.

l***@gmail.com

2018-07-31 12:17:44 UTC

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l***@gmail.com

2018-07-31 12:21:02 UTC

Ferrari have the fastest and most reliable car this year. Not a single mechanical DNF for Vettel in 2018. Anyone can win the WDC with that car this year.

Brian W Lawrence

2018-07-31 14:03:15 UTC

I was curious so looked at the top 10 race winners - incl. Fangio, who

is joint 11th with only one win less than Clark & Lauda.

Won PP P2 P3 Tot Str <3 P1-3% P4+%

=============================================================

M Schumacher 91 67 47 53 167 306 139 54.58 45.42 L Hamilton 67

77 48 21 146 220 74 66.36 33.64 A Prost 51 33 53 19 105

199 94 52.76 47.24 S Vettel 51 55 22 31 108 210 102 51.43

48.57 A Senna 41 65 22 31 118 161 43 73.29 26.71 F Alonso 32

22 15 28 65 302 237 21.52 78.48 N Mansell 31 32 24 31 87

187 100 46.52 53.48 J Stewart 27 17 16 17 50 99 49 50.51

49.49 J Clark 25 33 9 8 50 72 22 69.44 30.56 N Lauda 25

24 7 17 48 171 123 28.07 71.93 JM Fangio 24 29 13 4 46

51 5 90.20 9.80

Race wins from P1/P2/P3 & P4+

PP P2 P3 P4+ Wins

=========================================

M Schumacher 40 27 17 7 91

L Hamilton 43 16 3 5 67

A Prost 18 11 6 16 51

S Vettel 31 15 5 0 51

A Senna 29 5 5 2 41

F Alonso 14 4 6 8 32

N Mansell 17 9 1 4 31

J Stewart 8 6 5 8 27

J Clark 15 5 1 4 25

N Lauda 9 3 4 9 25

JM Fangio 15 7 2 0 24

Note: Fangio's 15 wins from pole include his two shared wins, where he

started from pole but completed the race in a different car.

It would seem that Prost has the most wins from outside the top 3 on

the grid. The next driver in the list of most wins is Nelson Piquet,

and it seems that his 23 wins came from PP (5), P2 (2) & P3 (1), which

means he's a close second with 15 wins from lower down (8th being the

lowest).

Nico Rosberg (also 23 wins) - PP (15), P2 (6) & P3 (2). P3 was lowest.

Damon Hill (22) - PP (7), P2 (11) & P3 (3). One from 4th.

Mika Hakkinen (20) - PP (10), P2 (5) & P3 (3). One 4th, one 5th.

Kimi Raikkonen (20) - PP (6), P2 (4) & P3 (2). 4th (2), 6th, 7th (3),

10th & 17th

Stirling Moss (16) is next - PP (8), P2 (5) & P3 (1). 6th & 7th

One of Moss' wins was completed in another car, but he started from

pole in his own.

is joint 11th with only one win less than Clark & Lauda.

Won PP P2 P3 Tot Str <3 P1-3% P4+%

=============================================================

M Schumacher 91 67 47 53 167 306 139 54.58 45.42 L Hamilton 67

77 48 21 146 220 74 66.36 33.64 A Prost 51 33 53 19 105

199 94 52.76 47.24 S Vettel 51 55 22 31 108 210 102 51.43

48.57 A Senna 41 65 22 31 118 161 43 73.29 26.71 F Alonso 32

22 15 28 65 302 237 21.52 78.48 N Mansell 31 32 24 31 87

187 100 46.52 53.48 J Stewart 27 17 16 17 50 99 49 50.51

49.49 J Clark 25 33 9 8 50 72 22 69.44 30.56 N Lauda 25

24 7 17 48 171 123 28.07 71.93 JM Fangio 24 29 13 4 46

51 5 90.20 9.80

Race wins from P1/P2/P3 & P4+

PP P2 P3 P4+ Wins

=========================================

M Schumacher 40 27 17 7 91

L Hamilton 43 16 3 5 67

A Prost 18 11 6 16 51

S Vettel 31 15 5 0 51

A Senna 29 5 5 2 41

F Alonso 14 4 6 8 32

N Mansell 17 9 1 4 31

J Stewart 8 6 5 8 27

J Clark 15 5 1 4 25

N Lauda 9 3 4 9 25

JM Fangio 15 7 2 0 24

Note: Fangio's 15 wins from pole include his two shared wins, where he

started from pole but completed the race in a different car.

It would seem that Prost has the most wins from outside the top 3 on

the grid. The next driver in the list of most wins is Nelson Piquet,

and it seems that his 23 wins came from PP (5), P2 (2) & P3 (1), which

means he's a close second with 15 wins from lower down (8th being the

lowest).

Nico Rosberg (also 23 wins) - PP (15), P2 (6) & P3 (2). P3 was lowest.

Damon Hill (22) - PP (7), P2 (11) & P3 (3). One from 4th.

Mika Hakkinen (20) - PP (10), P2 (5) & P3 (3). One 4th, one 5th.

Kimi Raikkonen (20) - PP (6), P2 (4) & P3 (2). 4th (2), 6th, 7th (3),

10th & 17th

Stirling Moss (16) is next - PP (8), P2 (5) & P3 (1). 6th & 7th

One of Moss' wins was completed in another car, but he started from

pole in his own.

Brian W Lawrence

2018-07-31 15:08:20 UTC

I was curious so looked at the top 10 race winners - incl. Fangio, who

is joint 11th with only one win less than Clark & Lauda.

Won PP P2 P3 Tot Str <3 P1-3% P4+%

=============================================================

M Schumacher 91 67 47 53 167 306 139 54.58 45.42

L Hamilton 67 77 48 21 146 220 74 66.36 33.64

A Prost 51 33 53 19 105 199 94 52.76 47.24

S Vettel 51 55 22 31 108 210 102 51.43 48.57

A Senna 41 65 22 31 118 161 43 73.29 26.71

F Alonso 32 22 15 28 65 302 237 21.52 78.48

N Mansell 31 32 24 31 87 187 100 46.52 53.48

J Stewart 27 17 16 17 50 99 49 50.51 49.49

J Clark 25 33 9 8 50 72 22 69.44 30.56

N Lauda 25 24 7 17 48 171 123 28.07 71.93

JM Fangio 24 29 13 4 46 51 5 90.20 9.80

Race wins from P1/P2/P3 & P4+

PP P2 P3 P4+ Wins

=========================================

M Schumacher 40 27 17 7 91

L Hamilton 43 16 3 5 67

A Prost 18 11 6 16 51

S Vettel 31 15 5 0 51

A Senna 29 5 5 2 41

F Alonso 14 4 6 8 32

N Mansell 17 9 1 4 31

J Stewart 8 6 5 8 27

J Clark 15 5 1 4 25

N Lauda 9 3 4 9 25

JM Fangio 15 7 2 0 24

Note: Fangio's 15 wins from pole include his two shared wins, where he

started from pole but completed the race in a different car.

It would seem that Prost has the most wins from outside the top 3 on

the grid. The next driver in the list of most wins is Nelson Piquet,

and it seems that his 23 wins came from PP (5), P2 (2) & P3 (1), which

means he's a close second with 15 wins from lower down (8th being the

lowest).

Nico Rosberg (also 23 wins) - PP (15), P2 (6) & P3 (2). P3 was lowest.

Damon Hill (22) - PP (7), P2 (11) & P3 (3). One from 4th.

Mika Hakkinen (20) - PP (10), P2 (5) & P3 (3). One 4th, one 5th.

Kimi Raikkonen (20) - PP (6), P2 (4) & P3 (2). 4th (2), 6th, 7th (3),

10th & 17th

Stirling Moss (16) is next - PP (8), P2 (5) & P3 (1). 6th & 7th

One of Moss' wins was completed in another car, but he started from

pole in his own.

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