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Martin Harran
2020-08-30 20:26:33 UTC
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He makes it look easy which is the hallmark of a true craftsman.
Alan Baker
2020-08-30 21:13:21 UTC
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He makes it look easy which is the hallmark of a true craftsman.
He's in the best car out there...

...and he's better than his teammate.

Bottas finished 2nd and made it look pretty easy too.
Edmund
2020-08-30 21:51:06 UTC
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He makes it look easy which is the hallmark of a true craftsman.
He's in the best car out there...
...and he's better than his teammate.
Bottas finished 2nd and made it look pretty easy too.
Yup, after he was denied more power.
Wrong skin color I suppose.

Edmund
Alan Baker
2020-08-30 21:57:18 UTC
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He makes it look easy which is the hallmark of a true craftsman.
He's in the best car out there...
...and he's better than his teammate.
Bottas finished 2nd and made it look pretty easy too.
Yup, after he was denied more power.
Wrong skin color I suppose.
That's just as ridiculous as declaring Hamilton the GOAT.
Edmund
2020-08-30 22:08:02 UTC
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He makes it look easy which is the hallmark of a true craftsman.
He's in the best car out there...
...and he's better than his teammate.
Bottas finished 2nd and made it look pretty easy too.
Yup, after he was denied more power.
Wrong skin color I suppose.
That's just as ridiculous as declaring Hamilton the GOAT.
What exactly, denying Bottas power, something Hamilton ALWAYS get or
making fun of that ridiculous black insanity?

Edmund
geoff
2020-08-30 23:18:50 UTC
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Post by Alan Baker
Post by Edmund
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Martin Harran
He makes it look easy which is the hallmark of a true craftsman.
He's in the best car out there...
...and he's better than his teammate.
Bottas finished 2nd and made it look pretty easy too.
Yup, after he was denied more power.
Wrong skin color I suppose.
That's just as ridiculous as declaring Hamilton the GOAT.
What exactly, denying Bottas power, something Hamilton ALWAYS get or
making fun of that ridiculous black insanity?
Edmund
No, agreeing NEITHER of them would use an opposing power mode thast
would have forced the other to do the same and potentially create a
situation where both cars, and the team, would be put at risk.

Do you seriously suggest that BOT would have overcome HAM is they were
both on equal terms ?

You do strive to denigrate HAM at every opportunity, don't you. Shows
where you are really coming from,and it is not very nice. Not that
'nice' concerns you. Nasty, hard, and superior seems give you the stiffy
that you otherwise lack.

geoff
~misfit~
2020-08-31 02:20:32 UTC
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Post by Edmund
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Post by Martin Harran
He makes it look easy which is the hallmark of a true craftsman.
He's in the best car out there...
...and he's better than his teammate.
Bottas finished 2nd and made it look pretty easy too.
Yup, after he was denied more power.
Wrong skin color I suppose.
That's just as ridiculous as declaring Hamilton the GOAT.
What exactly, denying Bottas power, something Hamilton ALWAYS get or making fun of that
ridiculous black insanity?
Edmund
No, agreeing NEITHER of them would use an opposing power mode thast would have forced the other to
do the same and potentially create a situation where both cars, and the team, would be put at risk.
Do you seriously suggest that BOT would have overcome HAM is they were both on equal terms ?
You do strive to denigrate HAM at every opportunity, don't you. Shows where you are really coming
from,and it is not very nice. Not that 'nice' concerns you. Nasty, hard, and superior seems give
you the stiffy that you otherwise lack.
The team said on the radio "we agreed not to use it against each other" which implies that
remaining engine modes were only to be used against other teams.

Let me Google for hose who prefer to interpret things to suit agendas....

Here's the transcript and clarification:
<https://www.racefans.net/2020/08/30/mercedes-clarify-bottas-radio-message-state-drivers-are-free-to-race/>


Of course haters are going to hate (and hear things that aren't said to support their bias).
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Alan Baker
2020-08-31 06:53:27 UTC
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Post by Edmund
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Post by Edmund
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Post by Martin Harran
He makes it look easy which is the hallmark of a true craftsman.
He's in the best car out there...
...and he's better than his teammate.
Bottas finished 2nd and made it look pretty easy too.
Yup, after he was denied more power.
Wrong skin color I suppose.
That's just as ridiculous as declaring Hamilton the GOAT.
What exactly, denying Bottas power, something Hamilton ALWAYS get or
making fun of that ridiculous black insanity?
Edmund
No, agreeing NEITHER of them would use an opposing power mode thast
would have forced the other to do the same and potentially create a
situation where both cars, and the team, would be put at risk.
Do you seriously suggest that BOT would have overcome HAM is they were
both on equal terms ?
You do strive to denigrate HAM at every opportunity, don't you. Shows
where you are really coming from,and it is not very nice. Not that
'nice' concerns you. Nasty, hard, and superior seems give you the
stiffy that you otherwise lack.
The team said on the radio "we agreed not to use it against each other"
which implies that remaining engine modes were only to be used against
other teams.
Let me Google for hose who prefer to interpret things to suit agendas....
<https://www.racefans.net/2020/08/30/mercedes-clarify-bottas-radio-message-state-drivers-are-free-to-race/>
Of course haters are going to hate (and hear things that aren't said to
support their bias).
So Bottas is free to race Hamilton...

...he's just not allowed to use full throttle.
geoff
2020-08-31 10:42:13 UTC
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Post by geoff
Post by Edmund
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Edmund
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Martin Harran
He makes it look easy which is the hallmark of a true craftsman.
He's in the best car out there...
...and he's better than his teammate.
Bottas finished 2nd and made it look pretty easy too.
Yup, after he was denied more power.
Wrong skin color I suppose.
That's just as ridiculous as declaring Hamilton the GOAT.
What exactly, denying Bottas power, something Hamilton ALWAYS get or
making fun of that ridiculous black insanity?
Edmund
No, agreeing NEITHER of them would use an opposing power mode thast
would have forced the other to do the same and potentially create a
situation where both cars, and the team, would be put at risk.
Do you seriously suggest that BOT would have overcome HAM is they
were both on equal terms ?
You do strive to denigrate HAM at every opportunity, don't you. Shows
where you are really coming from,and it is not very nice. Not that
'nice' concerns you. Nasty, hard, and superior seems give you the
stiffy that you otherwise lack.
The team said on the radio "we agreed not to use it against each
other" which implies that remaining engine modes were only to be used
against other teams.
Let me Google for hose who prefer to interpret things to suit agendas....
<https://www.racefans.net/2020/08/30/mercedes-clarify-bottas-radio-message-state-drivers-are-free-to-race/>
Of course haters are going to hate (and hear things that aren't said
to support their bias).
So Bottas is free to race Hamilton...
...he's just not allowed to use full throttle.
Not if HAM has agreed not to, in defence. Notice thhat when BOT did
start to advance on HAM at one point, HAM just sped away increasing the
gap by around 2 seconds in no time at all. That was HAM speeding up, and
not BOT pulling back.

But I'm just a fanboi, so those observations are purely from within my
imagination.

geoff
Alan Baker
2020-08-31 16:06:00 UTC
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Post by Edmund
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Martin Harran
He makes it look easy which is the hallmark of a true craftsman.
He's in the best car out there...
...and he's better than his teammate.
Bottas finished 2nd and made it look pretty easy too.
Yup, after he was denied more power.
Wrong skin color I suppose.
That's just as ridiculous as declaring Hamilton the GOAT.
What exactly, denying Bottas power, something Hamilton ALWAYS get
or making fun of that ridiculous black insanity?
Edmund
No, agreeing NEITHER of them would use an opposing power mode thast
would have forced the other to do the same and potentially create a
situation where both cars, and the team, would be put at risk.
Do you seriously suggest that BOT would have overcome HAM is they
were both on equal terms ?
You do strive to denigrate HAM at every opportunity, don't you.
Shows where you are really coming from,and it is not very nice. Not
that 'nice' concerns you. Nasty, hard, and superior seems give you
the stiffy that you otherwise lack.
The team said on the radio "we agreed not to use it against each
other" which implies that remaining engine modes were only to be used
against other teams.
Let me Google for hose who prefer to interpret things to suit agendas....
<https://www.racefans.net/2020/08/30/mercedes-clarify-bottas-radio-message-state-drivers-are-free-to-race/>
Of course haters are going to hate (and hear things that aren't said
to support their bias).
So Bottas is free to race Hamilton...
...he's just not allowed to use full throttle.
Not if HAM has agreed not to, in defence.  Notice thhat when BOT did
start to advance on HAM at one point, HAM just sped away increasing the
gap by around 2 seconds in no time at all. That was HAM speeding up, and
not BOT pulling back.
And how do you know that Hamilton wasn't doing that by using a strat
mode that Bottas wasn't?
But I'm just a fanboi, so those observations are purely from within my
imagination.
If you want to be a fanboi... ...no one can stop you.
geoff
2020-08-31 23:26:50 UTC
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Post by Alan Baker
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Post by geoff
Post by Edmund
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Edmund
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Martin Harran
He makes it look easy which is the hallmark of a true craftsman.
He's in the best car out there...
...and he's better than his teammate.
Bottas finished 2nd and made it look pretty easy too.
Yup, after he was denied more power.
Wrong skin color I suppose.
That's just as ridiculous as declaring Hamilton the GOAT.
What exactly, denying Bottas power, something Hamilton ALWAYS get
or making fun of that ridiculous black insanity?
Edmund
No, agreeing NEITHER of them would use an opposing power mode thast
would have forced the other to do the same and potentially create a
situation where both cars, and the team, would be put at risk.
Do you seriously suggest that BOT would have overcome HAM is they
were both on equal terms ?
You do strive to denigrate HAM at every opportunity, don't you.
Shows where you are really coming from,and it is not very nice. Not
that 'nice' concerns you. Nasty, hard, and superior seems give you
the stiffy that you otherwise lack.
The team said on the radio "we agreed not to use it against each
other" which implies that remaining engine modes were only to be
used against other teams.
Let me Google for hose who prefer to interpret things to suit agendas....
<https://www.racefans.net/2020/08/30/mercedes-clarify-bottas-radio-message-state-drivers-are-free-to-race/>
Of course haters are going to hate (and hear things that aren't said
to support their bias).
So Bottas is free to race Hamilton...
...he's just not allowed to use full throttle.
Not if HAM has agreed not to, in defence.  Notice thhat when BOT did
start to advance on HAM at one point, HAM just sped away increasing
the gap by around 2 seconds in no time at all. That was HAM speeding
up, and not BOT pulling back.
And how do you know that Hamilton wasn't doing that by using a strat
mode that Bottas wasn't?
And equally how would you know that he was.

Oh that's right, you're the expert.

geoff
Alan Baker
2020-08-31 23:48:20 UTC
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Post by Edmund
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Edmund
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Martin Harran
He makes it look easy which is the hallmark of a true craftsman.
He's in the best car out there...
...and he's better than his teammate.
Bottas finished 2nd and made it look pretty easy too.
Yup, after he was denied more power.
Wrong skin color I suppose.
That's just as ridiculous as declaring Hamilton the GOAT.
What exactly, denying Bottas power, something Hamilton ALWAYS get
or making fun of that ridiculous black insanity?
Edmund
No, agreeing NEITHER of them would use an opposing power mode
thast would have forced the other to do the same and potentially
create a situation where both cars, and the team, would be put at
risk.
Do you seriously suggest that BOT would have overcome HAM is they
were both on equal terms ?
You do strive to denigrate HAM at every opportunity, don't you.
Shows where you are really coming from,and it is not very nice.
Not that 'nice' concerns you. Nasty, hard, and superior seems give
you the stiffy that you otherwise lack.
The team said on the radio "we agreed not to use it against each
other" which implies that remaining engine modes were only to be
used against other teams.
Let me Google for hose who prefer to interpret things to suit agendas....
<https://www.racefans.net/2020/08/30/mercedes-clarify-bottas-radio-message-state-drivers-are-free-to-race/>
Of course haters are going to hate (and hear things that aren't
said to support their bias).
So Bottas is free to race Hamilton...
...he's just not allowed to use full throttle.
Not if HAM has agreed not to, in defence.  Notice thhat when BOT did
start to advance on HAM at one point, HAM just sped away increasing
the gap by around 2 seconds in no time at all. That was HAM speeding
up, and not BOT pulling back.
And how do you know that Hamilton wasn't doing that by using a strat
mode that Bottas wasn't?
And equally how would you know that he was.
I don't claim to know.

We DO know that Bottas asked to use a different mode and was told not to.
geoff
2020-09-01 00:20:25 UTC
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Post by Alan Baker
Post by Alan Baker
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Post by geoff
Post by Edmund
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Edmund
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Martin Harran
He makes it look easy which is the hallmark of a true craftsman.
He's in the best car out there...
...and he's better than his teammate.
Bottas finished 2nd and made it look pretty easy too.
Yup, after he was denied more power.
Wrong skin color I suppose.
That's just as ridiculous as declaring Hamilton the GOAT.
What exactly, denying Bottas power, something Hamilton ALWAYS
get or making fun of that ridiculous black insanity?
Edmund
No, agreeing NEITHER of them would use an opposing power mode
thast would have forced the other to do the same and potentially
create a situation where both cars, and the team, would be put at
risk.
Do you seriously suggest that BOT would have overcome HAM is they
were both on equal terms ?
You do strive to denigrate HAM at every opportunity, don't you.
Shows where you are really coming from,and it is not very nice.
Not that 'nice' concerns you. Nasty, hard, and superior seems
give you the stiffy that you otherwise lack.
The team said on the radio "we agreed not to use it against each
other" which implies that remaining engine modes were only to be
used against other teams.
Let me Google for hose who prefer to interpret things to suit agendas....
<https://www.racefans.net/2020/08/30/mercedes-clarify-bottas-radio-message-state-drivers-are-free-to-race/>
Of course haters are going to hate (and hear things that aren't
said to support their bias).
So Bottas is free to race Hamilton...
...he's just not allowed to use full throttle.
Not if HAM has agreed not to, in defence.  Notice thhat when BOT did
start to advance on HAM at one point, HAM just sped away increasing
the gap by around 2 seconds in no time at all. That was HAM speeding
up, and not BOT pulling back.
And how do you know that Hamilton wasn't doing that by using a strat
mode that Bottas wasn't?
And equally how would you know that he was.
I don't claim to know.
We DO know that Bottas asked to use a different mode and was told not to.
We do know that Bottas asked to use a different mode and was told not to
because, you conveniently omitted to suit your mindset, of a team
agreement (which BOT claimed to have missed hearing), presumably agreed
in order to reduce the chance of pointless scrapping compromising both
drivers and the team as a whole.

Far more fun to watch them racing each other with access to the same
mode/s - like for like, surely ? Or more fun to see them taken out by
one or the other maybe ...

geoff
~misfit~
2020-09-01 04:45:41 UTC
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He makes it look easy which is the hallmark of a true craftsman.
He's in the best car out there...
...and he's better than his teammate.
Bottas finished 2nd and made it look pretty easy too.
Yup, after he was denied more power.
Wrong skin color I suppose.
That's just as ridiculous as declaring Hamilton the GOAT.
What exactly, denying Bottas power, something Hamilton ALWAYS get or making fun of that
ridiculous black insanity?
Edmund
No, agreeing NEITHER of them would use an opposing power mode thast would have forced the
other to do the same and potentially create a situation where both cars, and the team,
would be put at risk.
Do you seriously suggest that BOT would have overcome HAM is they were both on equal terms ?
You do strive to denigrate HAM at every opportunity, don't you. Shows where you are really
coming from,and it is not very nice. Not that 'nice' concerns you. Nasty, hard, and
superior seems give you the stiffy that you otherwise lack.
The team said on the radio "we agreed not to use it against each other" which implies that
remaining engine modes were only to be used against other teams.
Let me Google for hose who prefer to interpret things to suit agendas....
<https://www.racefans.net/2020/08/30/mercedes-clarify-bottas-radio-message-state-drivers-are-free-to-race/>
Of course haters are going to hate (and hear things that aren't said to support their bias).
So Bottas is free to race Hamilton...
...he's just not allowed to use full throttle.
Not if HAM has agreed not to, in defence.  Notice thhat when BOT did start to advance on HAM
at one point, HAM just sped away increasing the gap by around 2 seconds in no time at all.
That was HAM speeding up, and not BOT pulling back.
And how do you know that Hamilton wasn't doing that by using a strat mode that Bottas wasn't?
And equally how would you know that he was.
I don't claim to know.
We DO know that Bottas asked to use a different mode and was told not to.
We do know that Bottas asked to use a different mode and was told not to because, you conveniently
omitted to suit your mindset, of a team agreement (which BOT claimed to have missed hearing),
presumably agreed in order to reduce the chance of pointless scrapping compromising both drivers
and the team as a whole.
Far more fun to watch them racing each other with access to the same mode/s - like for like, surely
? Or more fun to see them taken out by one or the other maybe ...
You're missing the point that Bakers making; Bottas needed an unfair advantage to have any chance
of catching Hamilton as his skills alone weren't up to the job.

Heh!
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texas gate
2020-09-01 05:36:50 UTC
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You're missing the point that Bakers making
Shaun.
"Humans will have advanced a long, long way when religious belief has a cozy little classification
in the DSM"
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You have baker killfiled.
You cock sucking faggot
Mark
2020-09-02 11:36:33 UTC
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And equally how would you know that he was.
I don't claim to know.
We DO know that Bottas asked to use a different mode and was told not to.
Let's assume for a second there is not an unfair agenda here.

For Mercedes, the key is getting maximum points. Unless there is
outright imbalance, they don't care if it's Hamilton followed by Bottas
or vice versa.

In *no* case, however, do they want a situation where either compromises
one another or the team overall.

They know that if Bottas decides to go all-out with an agressive engine
mode, Hamilton will do the same. He has to to defend. That means that
both engines are under pressure they wouldn't otherwise be under.

Who benefits there?

If it were that Bottas was out to pass Verstappen, it might be worth the
stress, wear and tear on the engine to gain the extra points...but not
where the net benefit to the team is negative: the points would be the
same but the stress on both engines would be greater.

Better to have both team mates drive to the same modes and refuse party
mode on both where they are running 1st and 2nd.


Okay, not consider the situation where there is an unfair agenda where
Hamilton is #1 and gets preferential treatment.

Most of the above is the same. Hamilton, however, is free to run with
whatever modes he likes while Bottas is handicapped. I have heard no-one
suggest that Hamilton was running his engine more aggressively, and they
do look out for these things. It makes much more sense to assume that
the benefit of being out front in clean air and with no distractions
ahead has Hamilton in a more comfortable position which he can exploit
and - in the same car with the same mode - little that Bottas can do...

...unless he were allowed to be *more* aggressive than Hamilton, but I
go back to the question of why Mercedes would want that? If Bottas can
beat him in qualifying and/or to the first corner, that would be a more
interesting question. If we saw a difference in behaviour from Mercedes,
then I'd start to question the team position.

But we haven't seen that so far.

I see nothing to suggest that Bottas is being held back, just being
asked not to push hard on the engine modes where it's not in the team's
interests.
geoff
2020-09-02 20:47:44 UTC
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Post by geoff
And equally how would you know that he was.
I don't claim to know.
We DO know that Bottas asked to use a different mode and was told not to.
Let's assume for a second there is not an unfair agenda here.
For Mercedes, the key is getting maximum points. Unless there is
outright imbalance, they don't care if it's Hamilton followed by Bottas
or vice versa.
In *no* case, however, do they want a situation where either compromises
one another or the team overall.
They know that if Bottas decides to go all-out with an agressive engine
mode, Hamilton will do the same. He has to to defend. That means that
both engines are under pressure they wouldn't otherwise be under.
Who benefits there?
If it were that Bottas was out to pass Verstappen, it might be worth the
stress, wear and tear on the engine to gain the extra points...but not
where the net benefit to the team is negative: the points would be the
same but the stress on both engines would be greater.
Better to have both team mates drive to the same modes and refuse party
mode on both where they are running 1st and 2nd.
Okay, not consider the situation where there is an unfair agenda where
Hamilton is #1 and gets preferential treatment.
Most of the above is the same. Hamilton, however, is free to run with
whatever modes he likes while Bottas is handicapped. I have heard no-one
suggest that Hamilton was running his engine more aggressively, and they
do look out for these things. It makes much more sense to assume that
the benefit of being out front in clean air and with no distractions
ahead has Hamilton in a more comfortable position which he can exploit
and - in the same car with the same mode - little that Bottas can do...
...unless he were allowed to be *more* aggressive than Hamilton, but I
go back to the question of why Mercedes would want that? If Bottas can
beat him in qualifying and/or to the first corner, that would be a more
interesting question. If we saw a difference in behaviour from Mercedes,
then I'd start to question the team position.
But we haven't seen that so far.
I see nothing to suggest that Bottas is being held back, just being
asked not to push hard on the engine modes where it's not in the team's
interests.
Naa. Apparently Bottas was held back because of PCness and rascism ;-0

geoff
~misfit~
2020-09-02 23:33:41 UTC
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And equally how would you know that he was.
I don't claim to know.
We DO know that Bottas asked to use a different mode and was told not to.
Let's assume for a second there is not an unfair agenda here.
For Mercedes, the key is getting maximum points. Unless there is
outright imbalance, they don't care if it's Hamilton followed by Bottas
or vice versa.
In *no* case, however, do they want a situation where either compromises
one another or the team overall.
They know that if Bottas decides to go all-out with an agressive engine
mode, Hamilton will do the same. He has to to defend. That means that
both engines are under pressure they wouldn't otherwise be under.
Who benefits there?
If it were that Bottas was out to pass Verstappen, it might be worth the
stress, wear and tear on the engine to gain the extra points...but not
where the net benefit to the team is negative: the points would be the
same but the stress on both engines would be greater.
Better to have both team mates drive to the same modes and refuse party
mode on both where they are running 1st and 2nd.
Okay, not consider the situation where there is an unfair agenda where
Hamilton is #1 and gets preferential treatment.
Most of the above is the same. Hamilton, however, is free to run with
whatever modes he likes while Bottas is handicapped. I have heard no-one
suggest that Hamilton was running his engine more aggressively, and they
do look out for these things. It makes much more sense to assume that
the benefit of being out front in clean air and with no distractions
ahead has Hamilton in a more comfortable position which he can exploit
and - in the same car with the same mode - little that Bottas can do...
...unless he were allowed to be *more* aggressive than Hamilton, but I
go back to the question of why Mercedes would want that? If Bottas can
beat him in qualifying and/or to the first corner, that would be a more
interesting question. If we saw a difference in behaviour from Mercedes,
then I'd start to question the team position.
But we haven't seen that so far.
I see nothing to suggest that Bottas is being held back, just being
asked not to push hard on the engine modes where it's not in the team's
interests.
Naa. Apparently Bottas was held back because of PCness and rascism ;-0
You do like to stir the shit don't you? Most of those nonsense posts wouldn't be here if you didn't.

Yeah I saw the smiley, it doesn't change my point. Mark's contribution was reasoned and logical,
let's not turn it into another chance to stir the pot.

Unless this pandemic has made you stir-crazy?
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Shaun.

"Humans will have advanced a long, long way when religious belief has a cozy little classification
in the DSM"
David Melville

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geoff
2020-09-03 00:55:07 UTC
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And equally how would you know that he was.
I don't claim to know.
We DO know that Bottas asked to use a different mode and was told not to.
Let's assume for a second there is not an unfair agenda here.
For Mercedes, the key is getting maximum points. Unless there is
outright imbalance, they don't care if it's Hamilton followed by Bottas
or vice versa.
In *no* case, however, do they want a situation where either compromises
one another or the team overall.
They know that if Bottas decides to go all-out with an agressive engine
mode, Hamilton will do the same. He has to to defend. That means that
both engines are under pressure they wouldn't otherwise be under.
Who benefits there?
If it were that Bottas was out to pass Verstappen, it might be worth the
stress, wear and tear on the engine to gain the extra points...but not
where the net benefit to the team is negative: the points would be the
same but the stress on both engines would be greater.
Better to have both team mates drive to the same modes and refuse party
mode on both where they are running 1st and 2nd.
Okay, not consider the situation where there is an unfair agenda where
Hamilton is #1 and gets preferential treatment.
Most of the above is the same. Hamilton, however, is free to run with
whatever modes he likes while Bottas is handicapped. I have heard no-one
suggest that Hamilton was running his engine more aggressively, and they
do look out for these things. It makes much more sense to assume that
the benefit of being out front in clean air and with no distractions
ahead has Hamilton in a more comfortable position which he can exploit
and - in the same car with the same mode - little that Bottas can do...
...unless he were allowed to be *more* aggressive than Hamilton, but I
go back to the question of why Mercedes would want that? If Bottas can
beat him in qualifying and/or to the first corner, that would be a more
interesting question. If we saw a difference in behaviour from Mercedes,
then I'd start to question the team position.
But we haven't seen that so far.
I see nothing to suggest that Bottas is being held back, just being
asked not to push hard on the engine modes where it's not in the team's
interests.
Naa. Apparently Bottas was held back because of PCness and rascism ;-0
You do like to stir the shit don't you? Most of those nonsense posts
wouldn't be here if you didn't.
Yeah I saw the smiley, it doesn't change my point. Mark's contribution
was reasoned and logical, let's not turn it into another chance to stir
the pot.
Unless this pandemic has made you stir-crazy?
Unless this pandemic has killed off your sense of homuor ?

geoff
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You do like to stir the shit don't you? Most of those nonsense posts wouldn't be here if you didn't.
Yeah I saw the smiley, it doesn't change my point. Mark's contribution was reasoned and logical,
let's not turn it into another chance to stir the pot.
Unless this pandemic has made you stir-crazy?
Unless this pandemic has killed off your sense of homuor ?
My sense of Homer is fine. There's Homer and then there's encouraging shit-posts and rarely do the
two overlap enough to be worth while.
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texas gate
2020-09-03 06:35:44 UTC
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You do like to stir the shit don't you? Most of those nonsense posts wouldn't be here if you didn't.
Yeah I saw the smiley, it doesn't change my point. Mark's contribution was reasoned and logical,
let's not turn it into another chance to stir the pot.
Unless this pandemic has made you stir-crazy?
Unless this pandemic has killed off your sense of homuor ?
My sense of Homer is fine. There's Homer and then there's encouraging shit-posts and rarely do the
two overlap enough to be worth while.
--
Shaun.
"Humans will have advanced a long, long way when religious belief has a cozy little classification
in the DSM"
David Melville
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but you are living on government dole
a real fucking loser
now geoff is humping your leg
he's real fucking bottom feeder
to be talking to a piece of shit like you
texas gate
2020-09-03 06:44:04 UTC
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My sense of Homer is fine.
Shaun.
"Humans will have advanced a long, long way when religious belief has a cozy little classification
in the DSM"
David Melville
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Nice try. You negative piece of shit
texas gate
2020-09-03 06:47:10 UTC
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My sense of Homer is fine.
Shaun.
"Humans will have advanced a long, long way when religious belief has a cozy little classification
in the DSM"
David Melville
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free government med?
texas gate
2020-09-03 07:03:50 UTC
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There's Homer and then there's encouraging shit-posts and rarely do the
two overlap enough to be worth while.
--
Shaun.
"Humans will have advanced a long, long way when religious belief has a cozy little classification
in the DSM"
David Melville
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log the fuck off. you miserable piece of shit
living on government dole
you have real sore asshole
pirating all things f1
fuck off cunt hole
you have zero credibility
texas gate
2020-09-03 07:31:55 UTC
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You do like to stir the shit don't you? Most of those nonsense posts wouldn't be here if you didn't.
Yeah I saw the smiley, it doesn't change my point. Mark's contribution was reasoned and logical,
let's not turn it into another chance to stir the pot.
Unless this pandemic has made you stir-crazy?
Unless this pandemic has killed off your sense of homuor ?
My sense of Homer is fine. There's Homer and then there's encouraging shit-posts and rarely do the
two overlap enough to be worth while.
--
Shaun.
"Humans will have advanced a long, long way when religious belief has a cozy little classification
in the DSM"
David Melville
This is not an email and hasn't been checked for viruses by any half-arsed self-promoting software.
you did not use the word killfile in this post
can you ask bigturd for some tips?
texas gate
2020-09-03 07:40:24 UTC
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You do like to stir the shit don't you? Most of those nonsense posts wouldn't be here if you didn't.
Yeah I saw the smiley, it doesn't change my point. Mark's contribution was reasoned and logical,
let's not turn it into another chance to stir the pot.
Unless this pandemic has made you stir-crazy?
Unless this pandemic has killed off your sense of homuor ?
My sense of Homer is fine. There's Homer and then there's encouraging shit-posts and rarely do the
two overlap enough to be worth while.
--
Shaun.
"Humans will have advanced a long, long way when religious belief has a cozy little classification
in the DSM"
David Melville
This is not an email and hasn't been checked for viruses by any half-arsed self-promoting software.
you did not use the word killfile in this post
can you ask bigturd for some tips?
Bigturd is a dog walker
He did not go to post secondary school
to get that sweet job.
He has to pick up all all kinds of dog shit.
Different consistencies and temperatures and sizes.
He has a fucking life.
Unlike you 2
texas gate
2020-09-03 06:52:22 UTC
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homuor ?
if that is a cyst from gay sex
i hope it gets larger
you fool
texas gate
2020-09-03 07:06:56 UTC
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homuor ?
if that is a cyst from gay sex
i hope it gets larger
you fool
will you let misfart nibble on that cyst?
not break it open. fucking gross
texas gate
2020-09-03 07:17:35 UTC
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homuor ?
if that is a cyst from gay sex
i hope it gets larger
you fool
will you let misfart nibble on that cyst?
not break it open. fucking gross
your last boyfriend ruptured that cyst and thought it was lube
you pair of fucking idiots
texas gate
2020-09-03 07:27:23 UTC
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Unless this pandemic has killed off your sense of homuor ?
He has never had one.
What are you talking about?
Alan Baker
2020-09-06 21:37:09 UTC
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Post by Alan Baker
Post by geoff
And equally how would you know that he was.
I don't claim to know.
We DO know that Bottas asked to use a different mode and was told not to.
Let's assume for a second there is not an unfair agenda here.
"Unfair"? Define "unfair" in the context of a sport where there have
always been team number one drivers?

Mercedes has an agenda.
Post by Mark
For Mercedes, the key is getting maximum points. Unless there is
outright imbalance, they don't care if it's Hamilton followed by Bottas
or vice versa.
You can't know that. I would say that their entire marketing and PR
campaign is built around Hamilton. This is not evil; it's just the way
things are done.
Post by Mark
In *no* case, however, do they want a situation where either compromises
one another or the team overall.
They know that if Bottas decides to go all-out with an agressive engine
mode, Hamilton will do the same. He has to to defend. That means that
both engines are under pressure they wouldn't otherwise be under.
Who benefits there?
Certainly not Mercedes... ...but it doesn't QUITE accord with their "we
let them race strategy.

And isn't it interesting to look back now and see that without different
engine modes to choose among—both Mercedes drivers being required to use
an engine mode that would work for the race when they were qualifying,
suddenly Bottas was essentially able to turn the same lap time as Hamilton?
Post by Mark
If it were that Bottas was out to pass Verstappen, it might be worth the
stress, wear and tear on the engine to gain the extra points...but not
where the net benefit to the team is negative: the points would be the
same but the stress on both engines would be greater.
Better to have both team mates drive to the same modes and refuse party
mode on both where they are running 1st and 2nd.
You're assuming that Hamilton was refused engine modes as Bottas was.

Do you have access to the entire transcript of every radio message?

Do you know what Hamilton was told in person before getting in the car?
Post by Mark
Okay, not consider the situation where there is an unfair agenda where
Hamilton is #1 and gets preferential treatment.
Let's do that. Because he is and he does.
Post by Mark
Most of the above is the same. Hamilton, however, is free to run with
whatever modes he likes while Bottas is handicapped. I have heard no-one
suggest that Hamilton was running his engine more aggressively, and they
do look out for these things. It makes much more sense to assume that
the benefit of being out front in clean air and with no distractions
ahead has Hamilton in a more comfortable position which he can exploit
and - in the same car with the same mode - little that Bottas can do...
I think it was mostly clean air... ...but I don't know.

What I DO know is that Bottas expressed surprise that it had supposedly
been "discussed" before the race.
Post by Mark
...unless he were allowed to be *more* aggressive than Hamilton, but I
go back to the question of why Mercedes would want that? If Bottas can
beat him in qualifying and/or to the first corner, that would be a more
interesting question. If we saw a difference in behaviour from Mercedes,
then I'd start to question the team position.
But we haven't seen that so far.
I see nothing to suggest that Bottas is being held back, just being
asked not to push hard on the engine modes where it's not in the team's
interests.
But you don't know what Hamilton is being told.
Alan LeHun
2020-09-07 04:37:58 UTC
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In article <rj3kq5$ab3$***@dont-email.me>, ***@no.no.no.no
says...
Post by Alan Baker
And isn't it interesting to look back now and see that without different
engine modes to choose among?both Mercedes drivers being required to use
an engine mode that would work for the race when they were qualifying,
suddenly Bottas was essentially able to turn the same lap time as Hamilton?
Whould that not be what one would have expected in Monza in any case?

Sochi will be a better test of that theory.
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2020-09-07 05:09:19 UTC
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Post by Alan Baker
And isn't it interesting to look back now and see that without different
engine modes to choose among?both Mercedes drivers being required to use
an engine mode that would work for the race when they were qualifying,
suddenly Bottas was essentially able to turn the same lap time as Hamilton?
Whould that not be what one would have expected in Monza in any case?
It is certainly what one would expect...

...if the car was by far the more important factor.

:-)
Post by Alan LeHun
Sochi will be a better test of that theory.
Mark
2020-09-07 10:24:54 UTC
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Post by geoff
And equally how would you know that he was.
I don't claim to know.
We DO know that Bottas asked to use a different mode and was told not to.
Let's assume for a second there is not an unfair agenda here.
"Unfair"? Define "unfair" in the context of a sport where there have
always been team number one drivers?
Mercedes has an agenda.
Yes - of course.
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Mark
For Mercedes, the key is getting maximum points. Unless there is
outright imbalance, they don't care if it's Hamilton followed by Bottas
or vice versa.
You can't know that. I would say that their entire marketing and PR
campaign is built around Hamilton. This is not evil; it's just the way
things are done.
I would largely agree, but I wouldn't be so dismissive of the importance
of the whole team and not just Hamilton.
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Mark
In *no* case, however, do they want a situation where either compromises
one another or the team overall.
They know that if Bottas decides to go all-out with an agressive engine
mode, Hamilton will do the same. He has to to defend. That means that
both engines are under pressure they wouldn't otherwise be under.
Who benefits there?
Certainly not Mercedes... ...but it doesn't QUITE accord with their "we
let them race strategy.
Why not?

"We let them race" doesn't (have to) mean "We let them do anything they
like in pursuit of racing one another". Having limits - like protecting
engines - is perfectly compatible and, providing it's even-handed*,
isn't unfair.

* We don't know - and can't know - whether or not it's even-handed.
Post by Alan Baker
And isn't it interesting to look back now and see that without different
engine modes to choose among—both Mercedes drivers being required to use
an engine mode that would work for the race when they were qualifying,
suddenly Bottas was essentially able to turn the same lap time as Hamilton?
He's still behind. Early days, though.
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Mark
If it were that Bottas was out to pass Verstappen, it might be worth the
stress, wear and tear on the engine to gain the extra points...but not
where the net benefit to the team is negative: the points would be the
same but the stress on both engines would be greater.
Better to have both team mates drive to the same modes and refuse party
mode on both where they are running 1st and 2nd.
You're assuming that Hamilton was refused engine modes as Bottas was.
I am. I think that makes sense. I have no evidence that Hamilton was
offered engine modes that Bottas was refused. Do you?
Post by Alan Baker
Do you have access to the entire transcript of every radio message?
No. Do you?
Post by Alan Baker
Do you know what Hamilton was told in person before getting in the car?
No. Do you?

We can't *know* everything, but why assume the unfair
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Mark
Okay, not consider the situation where there is an unfair agenda where
Hamilton is #1 and gets preferential treatment.
Let's do that. Because he is and he does.
I mean *seriously* preferential to the point where Bottas is held back.
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Mark
Most of the above is the same. Hamilton, however, is free to run with
whatever modes he likes while Bottas is handicapped. I have heard no-one
suggest that Hamilton was running his engine more aggressively, and they
do look out for these things. It makes much more sense to assume that
the benefit of being out front in clean air and with no distractions
ahead has Hamilton in a more comfortable position which he can exploit
and - in the same car with the same mode - little that Bottas can do...
I think it was mostly clean air... ...but I don't know.
I suspect that's a major contributor.
Post by Alan Baker
What I DO know is that Bottas expressed surprise that it had supposedly
been "discussed" before the race.
What had been discussed?

The reason Hamilton often has clean air is that he keeps managing to get
pole. We know that the Mercedes doesn't work well in dirty air, so it's
up to Bottas to make his own luck on this or he'll go backwards as he
did yesterday at the start. Unless you're suggesting that he's being
deliberately sabotaged in qualifying, that's in his hands to resolve.
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Mark
...unless he were allowed to be *more* aggressive than Hamilton, but I
go back to the question of why Mercedes would want that? If Bottas can
beat him in qualifying and/or to the first corner, that would be a more
interesting question. If we saw a difference in behaviour from Mercedes,
then I'd start to question the team position.
But we haven't seen that so far.
I see nothing to suggest that Bottas is being held back, just being
asked not to push hard on the engine modes where it's not in the team's
interests.
But you don't know what Hamilton is being told.
No. We don't.

AnthonyL
2020-09-01 11:52:18 UTC
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Post by geoff
Post by Edmund
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Edmund
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Martin Harran
He makes it look easy which is the hallmark of a true craftsman.
He's in the best car out there...
...and he's better than his teammate.
Bottas finished 2nd and made it look pretty easy too.
Yup, after he was denied more power.
Wrong skin color I suppose.
That's just as ridiculous as declaring Hamilton the GOAT.
What exactly, denying Bottas power, something Hamilton ALWAYS get or
making fun of that ridiculous black insanity?
Edmund
No, agreeing NEITHER of them would use an opposing power mode thast
would have forced the other to do the same and potentially create a
situation where both cars, and the team, would be put at risk.
Do you seriously suggest that BOT would have overcome HAM is they were
both on equal terms ?
You do strive to denigrate HAM at every opportunity, don't you. Shows
where you are really coming from,and it is not very nice. Not that
'nice' concerns you. Nasty, hard, and superior seems give you the
stiffy that you otherwise lack.
The team said on the radio "we agreed not to use it against each other"
which implies that remaining engine modes were only to be used against
other teams.
Let me Google for hose who prefer to interpret things to suit agendas....
<https://www.racefans.net/2020/08/30/mercedes-clarify-bottas-radio-message-state-drivers-are-free-to-race/>
Of course haters are going to hate (and hear things that aren't said to
support their bias).
So Bottas is free to race Hamilton...
...he's just not allowed to use full throttle.
My god - I thought you understood something about racing. If Bottas
had been given more power then Hamilton's engineer would have given
him more power negating the advantage. If either had needed more
power eg because Verstappen was getting too close then they've
preempted themselves.

You really hate Hamilton and can't see that he's in the best car
because he's the best driver. Listen to his interviews carefully and
learn how much he analyses what's going on in his car and around him.
He's got more brain power in his little toe than you appear to have in
total.
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Alan Baker
2020-09-06 21:40:43 UTC
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On Sun, 30 Aug 2020 23:53:27 -0700, Alan Baker
Post by Alan Baker
Post by ~misfit~
Post by geoff
Post by Edmund
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Edmund
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Martin Harran
He makes it look easy which is the hallmark of a true craftsman.
He's in the best car out there...
...and he's better than his teammate.
Bottas finished 2nd and made it look pretty easy too.
Yup, after he was denied more power.
Wrong skin color I suppose.
That's just as ridiculous as declaring Hamilton the GOAT.
What exactly, denying Bottas power, something Hamilton ALWAYS get or
making fun of that ridiculous black insanity?
Edmund
No, agreeing NEITHER of them would use an opposing power mode thast
would have forced the other to do the same and potentially create a
situation where both cars, and the team, would be put at risk.
Do you seriously suggest that BOT would have overcome HAM is they were
both on equal terms ?
You do strive to denigrate HAM at every opportunity, don't you. Shows
where you are really coming from,and it is not very nice. Not that
'nice' concerns you. Nasty, hard, and superior seems give you the
stiffy that you otherwise lack.
The team said on the radio "we agreed not to use it against each other"
which implies that remaining engine modes were only to be used against
other teams.
Let me Google for hose who prefer to interpret things to suit agendas....
<https://www.racefans.net/2020/08/30/mercedes-clarify-bottas-radio-message-state-drivers-are-free-to-race/>
Of course haters are going to hate (and hear things that aren't said to
support their bias).
So Bottas is free to race Hamilton...
...he's just not allowed to use full throttle.
My god - I thought you understood something about racing. If Bottas
had been given more power then Hamilton's engineer would have given
him more power negating the advantage. If either had needed more
power eg because Verstappen was getting too close then they've
preempted themselves.
You don't know that Hamilton WASN'T given more power.
Post by AnthonyL
You really hate Hamilton and can't see that he's in the best car
because he's the best driver. Listen to his interviews carefully and
learn how much he analyses what's going on in his car and around him.
He's got more brain power in his little toe than you appear to have in
total.
I don't hate Hamilton in the least. I've said on many occasions I think
he is among the very best out there (and that's a short list of
Verstappen, Leclerc, maybe Albon and Norris, but it's too soon to know
for certain). For my money, in equal machinery, I'd bet on Verstappen
being faster, but that's an opinion and I express it as such.

What I don't do is worship at Hamilton's feet the way so many of you
seem to do. His record of winning is so good because he's been in the
best car for almost his entire F1 career.

As for my brain power or lack of it...

...get in a racing car and race.

Let's see how you get on.

:-)
geoff
2020-09-07 03:17:42 UTC
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What I don't do is worship at Hamilton's feet the way so many of you
seem to do.
No, in fact you take anybody admiring HAM for anything as being worship.
Which makes your position clear to anybody else, despite your attempts
to claim otherwise.

geoff
Alan Baker
2020-09-07 03:48:01 UTC
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Post by Alan Baker
What I don't do is worship at Hamilton's feet the way so many of you
seem to do.
No, in fact you take anybody admiring HAM for anything as being worship.
Which makes your position clear to anybody else, despite your attempts
to claim otherwise.
Nope. Simply untrue.
Edmund
2020-08-31 08:30:51 UTC
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Post by Edmund
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Edmund
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Post by Martin Harran
He makes it look easy which is the hallmark of a true craftsman.
He's in the best car out there...
...and he's better than his teammate.
Bottas finished 2nd and made it look pretty easy too.
Yup, after he was denied more power.
Wrong skin color I suppose.
That's just as ridiculous as declaring Hamilton the GOAT.
What exactly, denying Bottas power, something Hamilton ALWAYS get or
making fun of that ridiculous black insanity?
Edmund
No, agreeing NEITHER of them would use an opposing power mode thast
would have forced the other to do the same and potentially create a
situation where both cars, and the team, would be put at risk.
Do you seriously suggest that BOT would have overcome HAM is they were
both on equal terms ?
I just say what happened, nothing more nothing less, what you like to
make out of it is up to you.

I mentioned different decisions from Merc before, when Ham asked for
more power and got it. I did mention where Ham suddenly found 50 more
horses under his seat to grab pole by going faster ON THE STRAIGHT!
I already told you, it wasn't me who noticed that, it was Marc Surer.
You always attacking me for reporting that, you should attack Marc Surer
if you want to shoot the messenger.
Post by geoff
You do strive to denigrate HAM at every opportunity, don't you. Shows
where you are really coming from,and it is not very nice. Not that
'nice' concerns you. Nasty, hard, and superior seems give you the stiffy
that you otherwise lack.
:-)
Post by geoff
geoff
Edmund
texas gate
2020-09-01 00:42:27 UTC
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seems give you the stiffy
that you otherwise lack.
What's with you and male genitalia?
You sick fuck
Alan Baker
2020-08-31 06:39:25 UTC
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Post by Alan Baker
Post by Edmund
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Martin Harran
He makes it look easy which is the hallmark of a true craftsman.
He's in the best car out there...
...and he's better than his teammate.
Bottas finished 2nd and made it look pretty easy too.
Yup, after he was denied more power.
Wrong skin color I suppose.
That's just as ridiculous as declaring Hamilton the GOAT.
What exactly, denying Bottas power, something Hamilton ALWAYS get or
making fun of that ridiculous black insanity?
Try again, but this time form an actual English sentence.
Martin Harran
2020-08-31 08:24:20 UTC
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Post by Alan Baker
Post by Martin Harran
He makes it look easy which is the hallmark of a true craftsman.
He's in the best car out there...
...and he's better than his teammate.
Bottas finished 2nd and made it look pretty easy too.
A race were neither had problems or had to fight off challengers, the
nearest thing you will get to a straight race between two drivers in
identical equipment. Hamilton ended up 7 seconds ahead - care to offer
us *your* explanation for that?
geoff
2020-08-31 10:44:13 UTC
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Post by Alan Baker
Post by Martin Harran
He makes it look easy which is the hallmark of a true craftsman.
He's in the best car out there...
...and he's better than his teammate.
Bottas finished 2nd and made it look pretty easy too.
A race were neither had problems or had to fight off challengers, the
nearest thing you will get to a straight race between two drivers in
identical equipment. Hamilton ended up 7 seconds ahead - care to offer
us *your* explanation for that?
Obviously nothing to do with driving skill. BOT was clearly told to drop
back incase HAM's wheel fell off. And VER did too, out of pure politeness.

geoff
Alan Baker
2020-08-31 15:32:22 UTC
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Post by Alan Baker
Post by Martin Harran
He makes it look easy which is the hallmark of a true craftsman.
He's in the best car out there...
...and he's better than his teammate.
Bottas finished 2nd and made it look pretty easy too.
A race were neither had problems or had to fight off challengers, the
nearest thing you will get to a straight race between two drivers in
identical equipment. Hamilton ended up 7 seconds ahead - care to offer
us *your* explanation for that?
Obviously nothing to do with driving skill. BOT was clearly told to drop
back incase HAM's wheel fell off. And VER did too, out of pure politeness.
Bottas backed off because driving well behind Hamilton put him in clean
air and helped the life of his tires.

And just for perspective, 7 seconds in a race lasting 1:24:08 is about
two tenths of one percent.

If you want to claim that Hamilton is 0.19% better than Bottas, I have
no argument with it.

:-)
Alan Baker
2020-08-31 15:28:09 UTC
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He makes it look easy which is the hallmark of a true craftsman.
He's in the best car out there...
...and he's better than his teammate.
Bottas finished 2nd and made it look pretty easy too.
A race were neither had problems or had to fight off challengers, the
nearest thing you will get to a straight race between two drivers in
identical equipment. Hamilton ended up 7 seconds ahead - care to offer
us *your* explanation for that?
I already did.

He was ahead and therefore in clear air.

Neither ran anything CLOSE to their qualifying pace, therefore either
was capable of going faster. Hence, Bottas chose to have that large a gap.

Why?

Because if Bottas had run close behind Hamilton in a race where tire
life was close to critical, he could quite easily have ended up like
Silverstone.
Martin Harran
2020-08-31 21:51:32 UTC
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On Sun, 30 Aug 2020 14:13:21 -0700, Alan Baker
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He makes it look easy which is the hallmark of a true craftsman.
He's in the best car out there...
...and he's better than his teammate.
Bottas finished 2nd and made it look pretty easy too.
A race were neither had problems or had to fight off challengers, the
nearest thing you will get to a straight race between two drivers in
identical equipment. Hamilton ended up 7 seconds ahead - care to offer
us *your* explanation for that?
I already did.
He was ahead and therefore in clear air.
Neither ran anything CLOSE to their qualifying pace, therefore either
was capable of going faster. Hence, Bottas chose to have that large a gap.
Why?
Because if Bottas had run close behind Hamilton in a race where tire
life was close to critical, he could quite easily have ended up like
Silverstone.
For somebody who thinks he knows so much, you talk an awful lot of
shite at times.
Alan Baker
2020-08-31 23:28:26 UTC
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Post by Martin Harran
He makes it look easy which is the hallmark of a true craftsman.
He's in the best car out there...
...and he's better than his teammate.
Bottas finished 2nd and made it look pretty easy too.
A race were neither had problems or had to fight off challengers, the
nearest thing you will get to a straight race between two drivers in
identical equipment. Hamilton ended up 7 seconds ahead - care to offer
us *your* explanation for that?
I already did.
He was ahead and therefore in clear air.
Neither ran anything CLOSE to their qualifying pace, therefore either
was capable of going faster. Hence, Bottas chose to have that large a gap.
Why?
Because if Bottas had run close behind Hamilton in a race where tire
life was close to critical, he could quite easily have ended up like
Silverstone.
For somebody who thinks he knows so much, you talk an awful lot of
shite at times.
For someone who claims I talk a lot of shit (don't be afraid to type the
real words), you leave a lot of specific details out.
geoff
2020-08-31 23:24:59 UTC
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He makes it look easy which is the hallmark of a true craftsman.
He's in the best car out there...
...and he's better than his teammate.
Bottas finished 2nd and made it look pretty easy too.
A race were neither had problems or had to fight off challengers, the
nearest thing you will get to a straight race between two drivers in
identical equipment. Hamilton ended up 7 seconds ahead - care to offer
us *your* explanation for that?
I already did.
He was ahead and therefore in clear air.
Neither ran anything CLOSE to their qualifying pace, therefore either
was capable of going faster. Hence, Bottas chose to have that large a gap.
Well I guess fuel loads would have been similar at that point. But tyres
were not just a few laps old, which may have had a bearing on achievable
lap times.

geoff
Alan Baker
2020-08-31 23:47:37 UTC
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He makes it look easy which is the hallmark of a true craftsman.
He's in the best car out there...
...and he's better than his teammate.
n
Bottas finished 2nd and made it look pretty easy too.
A race were neither had problems or had to fight off challengers, the
nearest thing you will get to a straight race between two drivers in
identical equipment. Hamilton ended up 7 seconds ahead - care to offer
us *your* explanation for that?
I already did.
He was ahead and therefore in clear air.
Neither ran anything CLOSE to their qualifying pace, therefore either
was capable of going faster. Hence, Bottas chose to have that large a gap.
Well I guess fuel loads would have been similar at that point. But tyres
were not just a few laps old, which may have had a bearing on achievable
lap times.
Of course it did.

But Bottas qualified in P2 on mediums in 1:42.126...

...and his fastest lap of the race was 1:47.983..

...nearly 6 seconds slower.

Ricardo on the same tires and just as old turned a 1:47.583; half a
second faster in a car that was a good bit slower than the Mercedes in
qualifying.

There are multiple reports from the drivers that they could have gone
faster but for the need to make the tires last for the race, and it is
well understood that one of the ways to take life out of your tires is
to run close behind another car.

And when all is said and done, 7 seconds over 1:24:8 is a little more
than a TENTH of one percent difference. Even allowing for the extra time
of the race due to the safety car laps (what... ...say ten minutes
extra; I can't find a lap chart online that shows how long a safety car
lap takes), it's still 0.15% difference between his performance and
Hamilton's. Put another way, Hamilton gained (on average) 0.167 seconds
per lap on Bottas.

You can hardly look at that little difference and declare Hamilton the
greatest because of it.

Sorry.
geoff
2020-09-01 00:12:51 UTC
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He makes it look easy which is the hallmark of a true craftsman.
He's in the best car out there...
...and he's better than his teammate.
n Bottas finished 2nd and made it look pretty easy too.
A race were neither had problems or had to fight off challengers, the
nearest thing you will get to a straight race between two drivers in
identical equipment. Hamilton ended up 7 seconds ahead - care to offer
us *your* explanation for that?
I already did.
He was ahead and therefore in clear air.
Neither ran anything CLOSE to their qualifying pace, therefore either
was capable of going faster. Hence, Bottas chose to have that large a gap.
Well I guess fuel loads would have been similar at that point. But
tyres were not just a few laps old, which may have had a bearing on
achievable lap times.
Of course it did.
But Bottas qualified in P2 on mediums in 1:42.126...
...and his fastest lap of the race was 1:47.983..
...nearly 6 seconds slower.
Ricardo on the same tires and just as old turned a 1:47.583; half a
second faster in a car that was a good bit slower than the Mercedes in
qualifying.
There are multiple reports from the drivers that they could have gone
faster but for the need to make the tires last for the race, and it is
well understood that one of the ways to take life out of your tires is
to run close behind another car.
And when all is said and done, 7 seconds over 1:24:8 is a little more
than a TENTH of one percent difference. Even allowing for the extra time
of the race due to the safety car laps (what... ...say ten minutes
extra; I can't find a lap chart online that shows how long a safety car
lap takes), it's still 0.15% difference between his performance and
Hamilton's. Put another way, Hamilton gained (on average) 0.167 seconds
per lap on Bottas.
You can hardly look at that little difference and declare Hamilton the
greatest because of it.
Um, where did I do that ?
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Sorry.
Not sorry.

geoff
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2020-09-01 13:00:04 UTC
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He makes it look easy which is the hallmark of a true craftsman.
subject corrected...

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Martin Harran
2020-09-01 13:45:32 UTC
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He makes it look easy which is the hallmark of a true craftsman.
subject corrected...
It's not really the done thing around here to change a thread title to
describe yourself but then again, there's no real point in trying to
reason with an ass who does that sort of thing.
Sir Tim
2020-09-01 20:12:30 UTC
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He makes it look easy which is the hallmark of a true craftsman.
subject corrected...
It's not really the done thing around here to change a thread title to
describe yourself but then again, there's no real point in trying to
reason with an ass who does that sort of thing.
This is the guy who seems to make it a principle never to include Hamilton
in his selections for the pool. ‘Nuff said.
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Sir Tim
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2020-09-02 18:08:38 UTC
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This is the guy who seems to make it a principle never to include Hamilton
in his selections for the pool. ‘Nuff said.
Thanks Sir Tit
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