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John
2017-08-23 18:54:46 UTC
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Yes it's been emaciated like all the great tracks wub there is still a lot of Spa left at Spa.
bra
2017-08-23 19:21:04 UTC
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Yes it's been emaciated like all the great tracks wub there is still a lot of Spa left at Spa.
Emaciated, as in ANORACIA NERVOSA?
Dan the Man
2017-08-23 19:37:20 UTC
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Yes it's been emaciated like all the great tracks wub there is still a lot of Spa left at Spa.
Emaciated, truncated, deviated, nauseated ... something like that.
But it's still one of my favorites.
Stephen Thomas Cole
2017-08-23 20:45:42 UTC
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Yes it's been emaciated like all the great tracks wub there is still a
lot of Spa left at Spa.
Emaciated, truncated, deviated, nauseated ... something like that.
But it's still one of my favorites.
It's a phenomenally good circuit, I'm very excited for the race!
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bra
2017-08-23 20:56:52 UTC
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Yes it's been emaciated like all the great tracks wub there is still a
lot of Spa left at Spa.
Emaciated, truncated, deviated, nauseated ... something like that.
But it's still one of my favorites.
It's a phenomenally good circuit, I'm very excited for the race!
I remember the days when the lap record was held by one of the Rodriquez brothers driving a Ferrari sports-racer, ie NOT an F1 car. I think it was over 150mph average ---?
bra
2017-08-24 13:43:37 UTC
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It's a phenomenally good circuit, I'm very excited for the race!
I remember the days when the lap record was held by one of the Rodriquez brothers driving a Ferrari sports-racer, ie NOT an F1 car. I think it was over 150mph average ---?
That Rodriguez record in the Ferrari sports-racer --- it was at the time the world record for a road circuit, I think 160mph -- in fact back then perhaps faster than an Indy lap. I am still trying to find the reference.
Halmyre
2017-08-25 11:53:46 UTC
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It's a phenomenally good circuit, I'm very excited for the race!
I remember the days when the lap record was held by one of the Rodriquez brothers driving a Ferrari sports-racer, ie NOT an F1 car. I think it was over 150mph average ---?
That Rodriguez record in the Ferrari sports-racer --- it was at the time the world record for a road circuit, I think 160mph -- in fact back then perhaps faster than an Indy lap. I am still trying to find the reference.
According to Wikipedia, the long circuit record was set in 1973 by Henri Pescarolo in a Matra MS730. 3:13.4, which I work out to be, err, a tad over 163mph. Gulp. Jacky Ickx qualified in 1:12.4 in a Ferrari 312.

The pole speed at Indy that year was 198mph, with a race average of 159mph (shortened by rain).
bra
2017-08-25 15:18:22 UTC
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It's a phenomenally good circuit, I'm very excited for the race!
I remember the days when the lap record was held by one of the Rodriquez brothers driving a Ferrari sports-racer, ie NOT an F1 car. I think it was over 150mph average ---?
That Rodriguez record in the Ferrari sports-racer --- it was at the time the world record for a road circuit, I think 160mph -- in fact back then perhaps faster than an Indy lap. I am still trying to find the reference.
According to Wikipedia, the long circuit record was set in 1973 by Henri Pescarolo in a Matra MS730. 3:13.4, which I work out to be, err, a tad over 163mph. Gulp. Jacky Ickx qualified in 1:12.4 in a Ferrari 312.
The pole speed at Indy that year was 198mph, with a race average of 159mph (shortened by rain).
Thank you! I still hold the Rodriguez feat in my memory - And I would like to seat "sports-racers" brought back with mandatory "space for two six-foot adults seated upright side-by side, with 15cm elbow room on each side".
News
2017-08-25 15:39:06 UTC
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It's a phenomenally good circuit, I'm very excited for the race!
I remember the days when the lap record was held by one of the Rodriquez brothers driving a Ferrari sports-racer, ie NOT an F1 car. I think it was over 150mph average ---?
That Rodriguez record in the Ferrari sports-racer --- it was at the time the world record for a road circuit, I think 160mph -- in fact back then perhaps faster than an Indy lap. I am still trying to find the reference.
According to Wikipedia, the long circuit record was set in 1973 by Henri Pescarolo in a Matra MS730. 3:13.4, which I work out to be, err, a tad over 163mph. Gulp. Jacky Ickx qualified in 1:12.4 in a Ferrari 312.
The pole speed at Indy that year was 198mph, with a race average of 159mph (shortened by rain).
Thank you! I still hold the Rodriguez feat in my memory - And I would like to seat "sports-racers" brought back with mandatory "space for two six-foot adults seated upright side-by side, with 15cm elbow room on each side".
Heck, you don't even get that much room flying economy on most airlines!
Bobster
2017-08-25 15:47:33 UTC
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It's a phenomenally good circuit, I'm very excited for the race!
I remember the days when the lap record was held by one of the Rodriquez brothers driving a Ferrari sports-racer, ie NOT an F1 car. I think it was over 150mph average ---?
That Rodriguez record in the Ferrari sports-racer --- it was at the time the world record for a road circuit, I think 160mph -- in fact back then perhaps faster than an Indy lap. I am still trying to find the reference.
According to Wikipedia, the long circuit record was set in 1973 by Henri Pescarolo in a Matra MS730. 3:13.4, which I work out to be, err, a tad over 163mph. Gulp. Jacky Ickx qualified in 1:12.4 in a Ferrari 312.
The pole speed at Indy that year was 198mph, with a race average of 159mph (shortened by rain).
Thank you! I still hold the Rodriguez feat in my memory - And I would like to seat "sports-racers" brought back with mandatory "space for two six-foot adults seated upright side-by side, with 15cm elbow room on each side".
In pre-television SA, the only way I had of following motor racing was through magazines (newspapers would give the results, but seldom more than that). And so one of my earliest sports car memories is one of the Gulf Mirages on the old Spa circuit.

I was fascinated by what looked like a very high performance racing car belting down a country road with some houses in close proximity, and not much in the way of safety, even by the standards of the times (1973). Which is pretty much what it was, not just what it looked like.
bra
2017-08-25 18:26:26 UTC
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Thank you! I still hold the Rodriguez feat in my memory -
Was this the version he drove, I wonder? Beautiful!

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~misfit~
2017-08-24 06:30:26 UTC
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Yes it's been emaciated like all the great tracks wub there is still
a lot of Spa left at Spa.
I love Spa and always look forward to the GP there. I even signed a petition
a few years back when the race at Spa was threatened. IMO it's one of the
highlights of the year, usually interesting and showcases drivers with
'bottle' better than any other current track.
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Stephen Thomas Cole
2017-08-24 07:28:56 UTC
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Yes it's been emaciated like all the great tracks wub there is still
a lot of Spa left at Spa.
I love Spa and always look forward to the GP there. I even signed a petition
a few years back when the race at Spa was threatened. IMO it's one of the
highlights of the year, usually interesting and showcases drivers with
'bottle' better than any other current track.
I can't actually think of a better track on the calendar than Spa, Monza
perhaps? The wife and kids are away this weekend so I'm going to absolutely
soak myself in the F1! Looking forward to it!
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geoff
2017-08-24 11:18:41 UTC
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Yes it's been emaciated like all the great tracks wub there is still
a lot of Spa left at Spa.
I love Spa and always look forward to the GP there.
Likewise. Probably my fave.

geoff
Bobster
2017-08-24 08:33:46 UTC
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Yes it's been emaciated like all the great tracks wub there is still a lot of Spa left at Spa.
Did you mean "emasculated"? I don't mind this so-called emasculation of sports. It usually means that less competitors die or get seriously injured.

What is taking the sting out of race tracks is not just the "emasculation". It's the cars too. Who was talking about it a few years ago? Saying that taking Eau Rouge flat out used to be a real test, but these days with the cars being so much better it's much more easily done.
geoff
2017-08-24 11:21:44 UTC
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Yes it's been emaciated like all the great tracks wub there is still a lot of Spa left at Spa.
Emaciated. The guts taken out of it, thinned down.
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Did you mean "emasculated"? I don't mind this so-called emasculation of sports.
The balls-factor taken out.

It usually means that less competitors die or get seriously injured.

That woould be "fewer".

Yeah, there's been a lot of that lately, especially caused by track design.

geoff
Bobster
2017-08-24 11:48:28 UTC
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Yes it's been emaciated like all the great tracks wub there is still a lot of Spa left at Spa.
Emaciated. The guts taken out of it, thinned down.
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Did you mean "emasculated"? I don't mind this so-called emasculation of sports.
The balls-factor taken out.
But that's down to the cars as well.

Jacques Villeneuve used to say that the fast corners - and IIRC he mentioned Blanchimont - are the ones where you've got to have the guts to go in fast and trust the car. But if that's so, and the cars get better...

It used to be rare thing to take Eau Rouge flat out (Villeneuve tried and had a spectacular fail one year), but it became more common as the cars improved. Same drivers. Same balls. Different cars.
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It usually means that less competitors die or get seriously injured.
That woould be "fewer".
Yeah, there's been a lot of that lately, especially caused by track design.
geoff
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2017-08-25 02:30:58 UTC
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That woould be "fewer".
Fuck you, cocksucker
Sir Tim
2017-08-24 09:06:57 UTC
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Yes it's been emaciated like all the great tracks but there is still a lot of Spa left at Spa.
Emasculated?
Anyway, I don't agree. Whilst a degree of risk is a necessary component
of all motor racing the Burnenville/Masta section of the old circuit was
ridiculously dangerous for the drivers whilst adding little to the
spectator experience (no big TV screens in those days, just an
unreliable Tannoy). The 1970 race was 28 laps with a lap time of around
3:28 whereas the 2016 event was 44 laps at about 1:46 per lap.

The new track has retained almost all the best features of the old Spa:
a long, fast straight; fast sweeping corners; elevation changes; a
double-apex corner and a hairpin, to say nothing of a long racing tradition.

Where I *do* agree with you is that bloody chicane! I never liked the
old Bus-stop but at least it was possible to get through it without
destroying the driver's rhythm but the new one is an abortion similar to
the "new" chicane at Barcelona. Won't stop me enjoying what is still the
best circuit of the year though :-)

There is an interesting (at least to me) article about the old Spa
circuit here

http://www.circuitsofthepast.nl/en-US/francorchamps
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John
2017-08-27 19:55:37 UTC
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Yes it's been emaciated like all the great tracks wub there is still a lot of Spa left at Spa.
Been nice if it had sprikeled a bit but still a great race day.
t***@gmail.com
2017-08-28 01:04:50 UTC
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Been nice if it had sprikeled a bit
Like you sprikeled your boyfriend's face with your sperm.
Bobster
2017-08-28 02:05:42 UTC
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Yes it's been emaciated like all the great tracks wub there is still a lot of Spa left at Spa.
Been nice if it had sprikeled a bit but still a great race day.
I'm not sure.

It was certainly a great display of F1 cars in action on a circuit where the cars and the drivers can show what they've got, but up front it was mostly a game of follow the leader.

The best moments by far were immediately after the restart, with Vettel challenging Hamilton from the hairpin and into the Kemmel straight. But track position was key. I think what we saw was what was forecast for this season: Faster cars but also worse racing because of the increase in dirty air.

Not much separated Hamilton and Vettel at the end, and it's easy to see a scenario where Vettel had got ahead early on and Hamilton had followed him home.
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