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John
2018-03-22 18:44:06 UTC
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I thought moving F1 to ESPN was supposed to bring more publicity to it in the USA. So where is the promotion? Where is the preseason buzz?
News
2018-03-22 21:24:37 UTC
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On 3/22/2018 2:44 PM, John wrote:
> I thought moving F1 to ESPN was supposed to bring more publicity to it in the USA. So where is the promotion? Where is the preseason buzz?
>

You missed it? There go the ratings!

(Most will look for it on NBC, and will get Indy Car instead. "Hey, the
Honda is running better, but where's Ferrari?")
John
2018-03-23 20:21:10 UTC
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Well the public is certainly missing it.
kwhiner
2018-03-24 20:51:13 UTC
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On Thursday, March 22, 2018 at 11:44:08 AM UTC-7, John wrote:
> I thought moving F1 to ESPN was supposed to bring more publicity to it in the USA. So where is the promotion? Where is the preseason buzz?

Then ESPN only scheduled 65 mins for both practice and qualifying, which in the case of qualifying cut of the timing with about 8 mins of Q3 to go. Also at the last minute the practice coverage was changed. So much for recording with a DVR for later viewing.

Climbing down off the soup box now, thanks for your patience!!

kwhiner
D Munz
2018-03-24 22:14:19 UTC
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That must be something local. My DVR (xfinity in Houston) caught the whole of qualifying.

FWIW
DLM
Mark Jackson
2018-03-24 22:37:22 UTC
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On 3/24/2018 6:14 PM, D Munz wrote:
> That must be something local. My DVR (xfinity in Houston) caught the
> whole of qualifying.

It depends on the accuracy of the digital schedule provided to the
hardware by your cable company. Here in Rochester NY (ex-Time Warner
Cable, now Spectrum) my DVR stopped at 3 AM; fortunately I was watching
semi-live (started late, kept dozing off), fast-forwarded through the
commercials to get to live, and caught the finale of Q3.

So far I am not impressed by the Sky commentary team compared to what
NBC had, but I will reserve final judgement until I've watched an actual
race while fully conscious.

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How many foxes does it take before a henhouse
becomes a foxhouse? - Charles P. Pierce
News
2018-03-24 23:00:06 UTC
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On 3/24/2018 6:37 PM, Mark Jackson wrote:
> On 3/24/2018 6:14 PM, D Munz wrote:
>> That must be something local. My DVR (xfinity in Houston) caught the
>> whole of qualifying.
>
> It depends on the accuracy of the digital schedule provided to the
> hardware by your cable company.  Here in Rochester NY (ex-Time Warner
> Cable, now Spectrum) my DVR stopped at 3 AM; fortunately I was watching
> semi-live (started late, kept dozing off), fast-forwarded through the
> commercials to get to live, and caught the finale of Q3.
>
> So far I am not impressed by the Sky commentary team compared to what
> NBC had, but I will reserve final judgement until I've watched an actual
> race while fully conscious.
>


I'd take Hobbs and Matchett, any day.
t***@gmail.com
2018-03-25 03:25:25 UTC
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On Saturday, March 24, 2018 at 5:00:08 PM UTC-6, News wrote:

> I'd take Hobbs and Matchett, any day.

And your dumb boyfriend at night.
D Munz
2018-03-25 04:03:12 UTC
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Yup. Our loss. Looks like they kept Buxton at the track but they didn't seem to use him much. Or, did I read somewhere that he is there to lead up the OTT sreeming feed?

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DLM
D Munz
2018-03-25 14:07:29 UTC
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Well the race was ok but the coverage was crap. The Sky team obviously didn't know when ESPN went to the split screen for adds so they couldn't follow up on stuff. Last year, the crew knew what was up and they would talk about anything that happened.

It also seemed like the Sky guys ignored most of the radio traffic. One of the best things about Matchet was his analysis of some of the radio messaging.

Well see if they get better.

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DLM
Mark Jackson
2018-03-25 19:03:04 UTC
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On 3/24/2018 6:37 PM, Mark Jackson wrote:
> So far I am not impressed by the Sky commentary team compared to what
> NBC had, but I will reserve final judgement until I've watched an actual
> race while fully conscious.

OK, the US TV coverage was terrible.

First, the commentary team talks too much, that is to say constantly.
(To be fair I can't really say that Brundle talks too much as Croft
never gives him a chance to do so. But he does jump right in and fill
the odd moments when Croft pauses right up, so there's no relief.)

Second, the production suffers greatly from just taking the Sky feed.
In previous years we had a US-specific commentary team with technical
support, so commercial breaks could be integrated into the presentation.
This also meant that if something interesting happened during the
commercial the team could break from the live world feed to replay the
incident and explain what had happened.

Yesterday commercials (usually, but not always, split-screen) began in
the middle of what a Sky commentator was saying, came back with similar
disregard for context, and there was no possibility of replays (unless
one happened to be on the world feed) or supporting descriptions.

All in all a huge step backwards; hard to see how this is going to
increase US interest in F1.

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How many foxes does it take before a henhouse
becomes a foxhouse? - Charles P. Pierce
News
2018-03-25 19:18:54 UTC
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On 3/25/2018 3:03 PM, Mark Jackson wrote:
> On 3/24/2018 6:37 PM, Mark Jackson wrote:
>> So far I am not impressed by the Sky commentary team compared to what
>> NBC had, but I will reserve final judgement until I've watched an
>> actual race while fully conscious.
>
> OK, the US TV coverage was terrible.
>
> First, the commentary team talks too much, that is to say constantly.
> (To be fair I can't really say that Brundle talks too much as Croft
> never gives him a chance to do so.  But he does jump right in and fill
> the odd moments when Croft pauses right up, so there's no relief.)
>
> Second, the production suffers greatly from just taking the Sky feed. In
> previous years we had a US-specific commentary team with technical
> support, so commercial breaks could be integrated into the presentation.
>  This also meant that if something interesting happened during the
> commercial the team could break from the live world feed to replay the
> incident and explain what had happened.
>
> Yesterday commercials (usually, but not always, split-screen) began in
> the middle of what a Sky commentator was saying, came back with similar
> disregard for context, and there was no possibility of replays (unless
> one happened to be on the world feed) or supporting descriptions.
>
> All in all a huge step backwards; hard to see how this is going to
> increase US interest in F1.
>


Liberty has screwed the pooch.

Let's see how long it takes to unscrew, if they even realize it's screwed.
geoff
2018-03-25 19:36:57 UTC
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On 26/03/2018 8:18 AM, News wrote:
> On 3/25/2018 3:03 PM, Mark Jackson wrote:
>> On 3/24/2018 6:37 PM, Mark Jackson wrote:
>>> So far I am not impressed by the Sky commentary team compared to what
>>> NBC had, but I will reserve final judgement until I've watched an
>>> actual race while fully conscious.
>>
>> OK, the US TV coverage was terrible.
>>
>> First, the commentary team talks too much, that is to say constantly.
>> (To be fair I can't really say that Brundle talks too much as Croft
>> never gives him a chance to do so.  But he does jump right in and fill
>> the odd moments when Croft pauses right up, so there's no relief.)
>>
>> Second, the production suffers greatly from just taking the Sky feed.
>> In previous years we had a US-specific commentary team with technical
>> support, so commercial breaks could be integrated into the
>> presentation.   This also meant that if something interesting happened
>> during the commercial the team could break from the live world feed to
>> replay the incident and explain what had happened.
>>
>> Yesterday commercials (usually, but not always, split-screen) began in
>> the middle of what a Sky commentator was saying, came back with
>> similar disregard for context, and there was no possibility of replays
>> (unless one happened to be on the world feed) or supporting descriptions.
>>
>> All in all a huge step backwards; hard to see how this is going to
>> increase US interest in F1.
>>
>
>
> Liberty has screwed the pooch.
>
> Let's see how long it takes to unscrew, if they even realize it's screwed.


Must be a local thing arrangement. No commercials during the race on Sky
here (NZ).

geoff
News
2018-03-25 21:16:07 UTC
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On 3/25/2018 3:36 PM, geoff wrote:
> On 26/03/2018 8:18 AM, News wrote:
>> On 3/25/2018 3:03 PM, Mark Jackson wrote:
>>> On 3/24/2018 6:37 PM, Mark Jackson wrote:
>>>> So far I am not impressed by the Sky commentary team compared to
>>>> what NBC had, but I will reserve final judgement until I've watched
>>>> an actual race while fully conscious.
>>>
>>> OK, the US TV coverage was terrible.
>>>
>>> First, the commentary team talks too much, that is to say constantly.
>>> (To be fair I can't really say that Brundle talks too much as Croft
>>> never gives him a chance to do so.  But he does jump right in and
>>> fill the odd moments when Croft pauses right up, so there's no relief.)
>>>
>>> Second, the production suffers greatly from just taking the Sky feed.
>>> In previous years we had a US-specific commentary team with technical
>>> support, so commercial breaks could be integrated into the
>>> presentation.   This also meant that if something interesting
>>> happened during the commercial the team could break from the live
>>> world feed to replay the incident and explain what had happened.
>>>
>>> Yesterday commercials (usually, but not always, split-screen) began
>>> in the middle of what a Sky commentator was saying, came back with
>>> similar disregard for context, and there was no possibility of
>>> replays (unless one happened to be on the world feed) or supporting
>>> descriptions.
>>>
>>> All in all a huge step backwards; hard to see how this is going to
>>> increase US interest in F1.
>>>
>>
>>
>> Liberty has screwed the pooch.
>>
>> Let's see how long it takes to unscrew, if they even realize it's
>> screwed.
>
>
> Must be a local thing arrangement. No commercials during the race on Sky
> here (NZ).
>
> geoff


NZ is special. Interpret that as you will.
m***@gmail.com
2018-03-26 03:31:58 UTC
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On Sunday, 25 March 2018 21:37:06 UTC+2, geoff wrote:
> On 26/03/2018 8:18 AM, News wrote:
> > On 3/25/2018 3:03 PM, Mark Jackson wrote:

> >> Yesterday commercials (usually, but not always, split-screen) began in
> >> the middle of what a Sky commentator was saying, came back with
> >> similar disregard for context, and there was no possibility of replays
> >> (unless one happened to be on the world feed) or supporting descriptions.
> >>
> >> All in all a huge step backwards; hard to see how this is going to
> >> increase US interest in F1.
> >>
> >
> >
> > Liberty has screwed the pooch.
> >
> > Let's see how long it takes to unscrew, if they even realize it's screwed.
>
>
> Must be a local thing arrangement. No commercials during the race on Sky
> here (NZ).
>
> geoff

Because Sky don't include the commercials. They sell their coverage on and whoever is actually broadcasting inserts the commercials - and Sky obviously can't know when that is going to happen.

In SA they continue to show the race in a split window with the advert. I haven't got out the tape measure, but I'd say you still get half the screen area. If I watch the race after the event, via the "catch up" feature on the PVR, then I get it totally ad free.
Heron
2018-03-25 21:33:13 UTC
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On 3/25/2018 2:03 PM, Mark Jackson wrote:
> On 3/24/2018 6:37 PM, Mark Jackson wrote:
>> So far I am not impressed by the Sky commentary team compared to what
>> NBC had, but I will reserve final judgement until I've watched an
>> actual race while fully conscious.
>
> OK, the US TV coverage was terrible.
>
> First, the commentary team talks too much, that is to say constantly.
> (To be fair I can't really say that Brundle talks too much as Croft
> never gives him a chance to do so.  But he does jump right in and fill
> the odd moments when Croft pauses right up, so there's no relief.)
>
> Second, the production suffers greatly from just taking the Sky feed. In
> previous years we had a US-specific commentary team with technical
> support, so commercial breaks could be integrated into the presentation.
>  This also meant that if something interesting happened during the
> commercial the team could break from the live world feed to replay the
> incident and explain what had happened.
>
> Yesterday commercials (usually, but not always, split-screen) began in
> the middle of what a Sky commentator was saying, came back with similar
> disregard for context, and there was no possibility of replays (unless
> one happened to be on the world feed) or supporting descriptions.
>
> All in all a huge step backwards; hard to see how this is going to
> increase US interest in F1.

Seems likely that ESPN simply purchased access rights to
the Sky feed, and broadcast portions at their discretion.

Statement from ESPN:
"We deeply apologize to Formula 1 fans for the technical
issues that caused them to miss the first 20 minutes of
the pre-race show for the Australian Grand Prix. We are
sorry that our first F1 telecast did not go as smoothly
as we would have liked but we are taking steps to prevent
those same issues from occurring in the future. We thank
fans for watching and for their incredible passion for F1."

But being familiar with ABC/ESPN coverage of AOWR in
the past, I don't hold out much hope for improvement.
Dan the Man
2018-03-25 22:50:52 UTC
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On Sunday, March 25, 2018 at 5:33:20 PM UTC-4, Heron wrote:
> On 3/25/2018 2:03 PM, Mark Jackson wrote:
> > On 3/24/2018 6:37 PM, Mark Jackson wrote:
> >> So far I am not impressed by the Sky commentary team compared to what
> >> NBC had, but I will reserve final judgement until I've watched an
> >> actual race while fully conscious.
> >
> > OK, the US TV coverage was terrible.
> >
> > First, the commentary team talks too much, that is to say constantly.
> > (To be fair I can't really say that Brundle talks too much as Croft
> > never gives him a chance to do so.  But he does jump right in and fill
> > the odd moments when Croft pauses right up, so there's no relief.)
> >
> > Second, the production suffers greatly from just taking the Sky feed. In
> > previous years we had a US-specific commentary team with technical
> > support, so commercial breaks could be integrated into the presentation.
> >  This also meant that if something interesting happened during the
> > commercial the team could break from the live world feed to replay the
> > incident and explain what had happened.
> >
> > Yesterday commercials (usually, but not always, split-screen) began in
> > the middle of what a Sky commentator was saying, came back with similar
> > disregard for context, and there was no possibility of replays (unless
> > one happened to be on the world feed) or supporting descriptions.
> >
> > All in all a huge step backwards; hard to see how this is going to
> > increase US interest in F1.
>
> Seems likely that ESPN simply purchased access rights to
> the Sky feed, and broadcast portions at their discretion.
>
> Statement from ESPN:
> "We deeply apologize to Formula 1 fans for the technical
> issues that caused them to miss the first 20 minutes of
> the pre-race show for the Australian Grand Prix. We are
> sorry that our first F1 telecast did not go as smoothly
> as we would have liked but we are taking steps to prevent
> those same issues from occurring in the future. We thank
> fans for watching and for their incredible passion for F1."
>
> But being familiar with ABC/ESPN coverage of AOWR in
> the past, I don't hold out much hope for improvement.

Back in the day, ESPN had Bob Varsha and David Hobbs announcing. ESPN has been chainsawing payroll over the last year or so; I don't hold out much hope of them hiring announcers to smooth out the coverage, any time soon. What a waste.
News
2018-03-25 23:05:09 UTC
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On 3/25/2018 6:50 PM, Dan the Man wrote:
> On Sunday, March 25, 2018 at 5:33:20 PM UTC-4, Heron wrote:
>> On 3/25/2018 2:03 PM, Mark Jackson wrote:
>>> On 3/24/2018 6:37 PM, Mark Jackson wrote:
>>>> So far I am not impressed by the Sky commentary team compared to what
>>>> NBC had, but I will reserve final judgement until I've watched an
>>>> actual race while fully conscious.
>>>
>>> OK, the US TV coverage was terrible.
>>>
>>> First, the commentary team talks too much, that is to say constantly.
>>> (To be fair I can't really say that Brundle talks too much as Croft
>>> never gives him a chance to do so.  But he does jump right in and fill
>>> the odd moments when Croft pauses right up, so there's no relief.)
>>>
>>> Second, the production suffers greatly from just taking the Sky feed. In
>>> previous years we had a US-specific commentary team with technical
>>> support, so commercial breaks could be integrated into the presentation.
>>>  This also meant that if something interesting happened during the
>>> commercial the team could break from the live world feed to replay the
>>> incident and explain what had happened.
>>>
>>> Yesterday commercials (usually, but not always, split-screen) began in
>>> the middle of what a Sky commentator was saying, came back with similar
>>> disregard for context, and there was no possibility of replays (unless
>>> one happened to be on the world feed) or supporting descriptions.
>>>
>>> All in all a huge step backwards; hard to see how this is going to
>>> increase US interest in F1.
>>
>> Seems likely that ESPN simply purchased access rights to
>> the Sky feed, and broadcast portions at their discretion.
>>
>> Statement from ESPN:
>> "We deeply apologize to Formula 1 fans for the technical
>> issues that caused them to miss the first 20 minutes of
>> the pre-race show for the Australian Grand Prix. We are
>> sorry that our first F1 telecast did not go as smoothly
>> as we would have liked but we are taking steps to prevent
>> those same issues from occurring in the future. We thank
>> fans for watching and for their incredible passion for F1."
>>
>> But being familiar with ABC/ESPN coverage of AOWR in
>> the past, I don't hold out much hope for improvement.
>
> Back in the day, ESPN had Bob Varsha and David Hobbs announcing. ESPN has been chainsawing payroll over the last year or so; I don't hold out much hope of them hiring announcers to smooth out the coverage, any time soon. What a waste.
>


The average RASF1'er could do a better job.
m***@gmail.com
2018-03-26 03:33:36 UTC
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On Sunday, 25 March 2018 23:33:20 UTC+2, Heron wrote:

> Seems likely that ESPN simply purchased access rights to
> the Sky feed, and broadcast portions at their discretion.
>
> Statement from ESPN:
> "We deeply apologize to Formula 1 fans for the technical
> issues that caused them to miss the first 20 minutes of
> the pre-race show for the Australian Grand Prix. We are
> sorry that our first F1 telecast did not go as smoothly
> as we would have liked but we are taking steps to prevent
> those same issues from occurring in the future. We thank
> fans for watching and for their incredible passion for F1."
>
> But being familiar with ABC/ESPN coverage of AOWR in
> the past, I don't hold out much hope for improvement.

Maybe there were technical glitches. In SA we get the Sky package, and early on they lost commentary for a few seconds.
Sir Tim
2018-03-25 22:16:32 UTC
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Mark Jackson <***@alumni.caltech.edu> wrote:
> On 3/24/2018 6:37 PM, Mark Jackson wrote:
>> So far I am not impressed by the Sky commentary team compared to what
>> NBC had, but I will reserve final judgement until I've watched an actual
>> race while fully conscious.
>
> OK, the US TV coverage was terrible.
>
> First, the commentary team talks too much, that is to say constantly.
> (To be fair I can't really say that Brundle talks too much as Croft
> never gives him a chance to do so. But he does jump right in and fill
> the odd moments when Croft pauses right up, so there's no relief.)
>
> Second, the production suffers greatly from just taking the Sky feed.
> In previous years we had a US-specific commentary team with technical
> support, so commercial breaks could be integrated into the presentation.
> This also meant that if something interesting happened during the
> commercial the team could break from the live world feed to replay the
> incident and explain what had happened.
>
> Yesterday commercials (usually, but not always, split-screen) began in
> the middle of what a Sky commentator was saying, came back with similar
> disregard for context, and there was no possibility of replays (unless
> one happened to be on the world feed) or supporting descriptions.
>
> All in all a huge step backwards; hard to see how this is going to
> increase US interest in F1.
>

I’ve watched F1 extensively in both the UK and the USA and I have to say
that I infinitely prefer the Crofty/Brundle/Kravitz team - who are actually
at every race and have continual contact with the teams and drivers - to
those two old codgers Matchett and Hobbs pontificating from a studio in
downtown Stamford CT, or wherever they broadcast from.

Having said that, I have a lot of sympathy with American viewers. Quite
frankly if I had to suffer commercials during the actual race I think I
would cancel my Sky subscription and give up watching F1. It’s obvious that
ESPN just took the Sky feed as is and inserted commercials wherever they
felt like it.

Seems to me that interest in F1 in the States is confined to a very small,
highly knowledgeable core of enthusiasts. To appeal to a wider US audience
the TV format would have to change completely.

--
Sir Tim
D Munz
2018-03-26 12:17:23 UTC
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On Sunday, March 25, 2018 at 5:16:34 PM UTC-5, Sir Tim wrote:
>
> I’ve watched F1 extensively in both the UK and the USA and I have to say
> that I infinitely prefer the Crofty/Brundle/Kravitz team - who are actually
> at every race and have continual contact with the teams and drivers - to
> those two old codgers Matchett and Hobbs pontificating from a studio in
> downtown Stamford CT, or wherever they broadcast from.
>
> Having said that, I have a lot of sympathy with American viewers. Quite
> frankly if I had to suffer commercials during the actual race I think I
> would cancel my Sky subscription and give up watching F1. It’s obvious that
> ESPN just took the Sky feed as is and inserted commercials wherever they
> felt like it.
>
> Seems to me that interest in F1 in the States is confined to a very small,
> highly knowledgeable core of enthusiasts. To appeal to a wider US audience
> the TV format would have to change completely.
>
> --
> Sir Tim

These are good points. To be fair to Sky, I need to give them a few more broadcasts. For what they are charging, I was (am) expecting quite a bit more. But that could just be my not being used to their team.

The real issue here is what are Liberty trying to do with all this. They say they want to grow F1 in the US and I have every reason to believe them. But then they give away the rights to ESPN (as I understand it, ESPN is not paying anything for this) and go with the Sky feed will NOT bring new fans in.

This almost goes back to the Wide, Wide World of Sports days when ABC would show a short highlights real on Sunday afternoon.

Liberty is a big player and I expect them to react. We will just see how quickly and how well they do.

FWIW
DLM
D Munz
2018-04-06 17:19:19 UTC
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On Sunday, March 25, 2018 at 5:16:34 PM UTC-5, Sir Tim wrote:

>
> I’ve watched F1 extensively in both the UK and the USA and I have to say
> that I infinitely prefer the Crofty/Brundle/Kravitz team - who are actually
> at every race and have continual contact with the teams and drivers - to
> those two old codgers Matchett and Hobbs pontificating from a studio in
> downtown Stamford CT, or wherever they broadcast from.
>
> Having said that, I have a lot of sympathy with American viewers. Quite
> frankly if I had to suffer commercials during the actual race I think I
> would cancel my Sky subscription and give up watching F1. It’s obvious that
> ESPN just took the Sky feed as is and inserted commercials wherever they
> felt like it.
>
> Seems to me that interest in F1 in the States is confined to a very small,
> highly knowledgeable core of enthusiasts. To appeal to a wider US audience
> the TV format would have to change completely.
>
> --
> Sir Tim

So I watched practice 1 and 2 this morning with Croft, di Resta and Brundle and thought they were very good. They didn't talk over the driver radio and actually addressed some of the comments which was one of my complaints (I did laugh when one of them needled the other about not understanding Kimi.)

ESPN is still dropping adds all over the place and I'm sure that will screw up the flow Sunday but we will see.

FWIW
DLM
~misfit~
2018-04-07 00:35:38 UTC
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Once upon a time on usenet D Munz wrote:
> On Sunday, March 25, 2018 at 5:16:34 PM UTC-5, Sir Tim wrote:
>
>>
>> I've watched F1 extensively in both the UK and the USA and I have to
>> say that I infinitely prefer the Crofty/Brundle/Kravitz team - who
>> are actually at every race and have continual contact with the teams
>> and drivers - to those two old codgers Matchett and Hobbs
>> pontificating from a studio in downtown Stamford CT, or wherever
>> they broadcast from.
>>
>> Having said that, I have a lot of sympathy with American viewers.
>> Quite frankly if I had to suffer commercials during the actual race
>> I think I would cancel my Sky subscription and give up watching F1.
>> It's obvious that ESPN just took the Sky feed as is and inserted
>> commercials wherever they felt like it.
>>
>> Seems to me that interest in F1 in the States is confined to a very
>> small, highly knowledgeable core of enthusiasts. To appeal to a
>> wider US audience the TV format would have to change completely.
>>
>> --
>> Sir Tim
>
> So I watched practice 1 and 2 this morning with Croft, di Resta and
> Brundle and thought they were very good. They didn't talk over the
> driver radio and actually addressed some of the comments which was
> one of my complaints (I did laugh when one of them needled the other
> about not understanding Kimi.)

Did you see Kimi in the Thursday drivers press conference? He kept batting
away questions like "what would you like to see for the future of F1" with a
reply that went like "I'm not going to answer that because I don't have the
power to make those rules - I have no power and I won't be driving then
anyway". When asked about how the Ferrari is going to go in qually and the
race he said 'wait and see - I don't have a crystal ball" (or words that
that effect). Bottas at the other end of the desk was grinning like crazy
whenever Kimi answered a question and almost burst out laughing at one
stage.
--
Shaun.

"Humans will have advanced a long, long way when religious belief has a cozy
little classification in the DSM*."
David Melville (in r.a.s.f1)
(*Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders)

> ESPN is still dropping adds all over the place and I'm sure that will
> screw up the flow Sunday but we will see.
>
> FWIW
> DLM
t***@gmail.com
2018-04-07 01:15:00 UTC
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On Friday, April 6, 2018 at 6:35:41 PM UTC-6, ~misfit~ wrote:

> Did you see Kimi in the Thursday drivers press conference? He kept batting
> away questions like "what would you like to see for the future of F1" with a
> reply that went like "I'm not going to answer that because I don't have the
> power to make those rules - I have no power and I won't be driving then
> anyway". When asked about how the Ferrari is going to go in qually and the
> race he said 'wait and see - I don't have a crystal ball" (or words that
> that effect). Bottas at the other end of the desk was grinning like crazy
> whenever Kimi answered a question and almost burst out laughing at one
> stage.

Blow me. Fag fucker.
t***@gmail.com
2018-04-07 01:17:33 UTC
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On Friday, April 6, 2018 at 6:35:41 PM UTC-6, ~misfit~ wrote:

> Did you see Kimi in the Thursday drivers press conference?

On your pirated F1 tv coverage?
You cheap fuck. Loser. Thief.
~misfit~
2018-03-26 01:09:17 UTC
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Once upon a time on usenet Mark Jackson wrote:
> On 3/24/2018 6:37 PM, Mark Jackson wrote:
>> So far I am not impressed by the Sky commentary team compared to what
>> NBC had, but I will reserve final judgement until I've watched an
>> actual race while fully conscious.
>
> OK, the US TV coverage was terrible.
>
> First, the commentary team talks too much, that is to say constantly.
> (To be fair I can't really say that Brundle talks too much as Croft
> never gives him a chance to do so. But he does jump right in and fill
> the odd moments when Croft pauses right up, so there's no relief.)

I've been yelling at the TV at Croft to STFU for years now. IMO he lets
Sky's coverage down immensely as all he seems to be is a motor-mouth who, as
you say, forces the far more knowledgeable Brundle to have to rush to talk
in the gaps.

I've taken to muting the first few laps of a race as I find I get far more
info from the screen than I do when Croft is distracting me from the
subtlety by blabbering about the obvious.

> Second, the production suffers greatly from just taking the Sky feed.
> In previous years we had a US-specific commentary team with technical
> support, so commercial breaks could be integrated into the
> presentation. This also meant that if something interesting happened
> during the commercial the team could break from the live world feed
> to replay the incident and explain what had happened.
>
> Yesterday commercials (usually, but not always, split-screen) began in
> the middle of what a Sky commentator was saying, came back with
> similar disregard for context, and there was no possibility of
> replays (unless one happened to be on the world feed) or supporting
> descriptions.
> All in all a huge step backwards; hard to see how this is going to
> increase US interest in F1.

Ir must be far cheaper for a broadcaster to just take the (normally
uninterrupted) Sky feed than it was to have in-studio commentators and
playback facilities. Liberty want to increase US interest, not ESPN (who
just want to make money from what the have). For things to change Liberty
will have to specify how 'the product' is presented and I'm thinking that
will have to wait until the current contract with ESPN expires and a new
contract is written...
--
Shaun.

"Humans will have advanced a long, long way when religious belief has a cozy
little classification in the DSM*."
David Melville (in r.a.s.f1)
(*Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders)
D Munz
2018-03-26 11:49:18 UTC
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On Sunday, March 25, 2018 at 8:09:22 PM UTC-5, ~misfit~ wrote:
>
> Ir must be far cheaper for a broadcaster to just take the (normally
> uninterrupted) Sky feed than it was to have in-studio commentators and
> playback facilities. Liberty want to increase US interest, not ESPN (who
> just want to make money from what the have). For things to change Liberty
> will have to specify how 'the product' is presented and I'm thinking that
> will have to wait until the current contract with ESPN expires and a new
> contract is written...
> --
> Shaun.
>

Or they allow a crap product (production-wise) on ESPN to push the american audience to the paid OTT content.

The problem with that is is does not grow F1 in North America. The issue here is there are very few opportunities to create new fans. Perhaps moving the USGP in Austin to coincide with the SXSW festival might add a few heads but that is really a rounding error in the viewership numbers.

Liberty needs to figure out how to take market share from NASCAR and Indy. The difficulty there is that those viewers (NASCAR especially) are inherited. That is, JR watches because SR sat him down on race days. Sr watches because gramps did the same. Liberty needs to break that cycle and get the JRs of the world to start watching F1 to grow. (SR and gramps are lost causes...)

The ESPN product they have now will not do that. It will barely hold those who are already F1 enthusiasts. (Who will go the to OTT anyway.)

FWIW
DLM
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2018-03-26 11:56:43 UTC
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On 3/26/2018 7:49 AM, D Munz wrote:
> On Sunday, March 25, 2018 at 8:09:22 PM UTC-5, ~misfit~ wrote:
>>
>> Ir must be far cheaper for a broadcaster to just take the (normally
>> uninterrupted) Sky feed than it was to have in-studio commentators and
>> playback facilities. Liberty want to increase US interest, not ESPN (who
>> just want to make money from what the have). For things to change Liberty
>> will have to specify how 'the product' is presented and I'm thinking that
>> will have to wait until the current contract with ESPN expires and a new
>> contract is written...
>> --
>> Shaun.
>>
>
> Or they allow a crap product (production-wise) on ESPN to push the american audience to the paid OTT content.
>
> The problem with that is is does not grow F1 in North America. The issue here is there are very few opportunities to create new fans. Perhaps moving the USGP in Austin to coincide with the SXSW festival might add a few heads but that is really a rounding error in the viewership numbers.
>
> Liberty needs to figure out how to take market share from NASCAR and Indy. The difficulty there is that those viewers (NASCAR especially) are inherited. That is, JR watches because SR sat him down on race days. Sr watches because gramps did the same. Liberty needs to break that cycle and get the JRs of the world to start watching F1 to grow. (SR and gramps are lost causes...)
>
> The ESPN product they have now will not do that. It will barely hold those who are already F1 enthusiasts. (Who will go the to OTT anyway.)
>
> FWIW
> DLM
>


The Sky feed had all the production values of what aired on hotel TVs in
the 1980s.
t***@gmail.com
2018-03-26 16:56:54 UTC
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On Sunday, March 25, 2018 at 7:09:22 PM UTC-6, ~misfit~ wrote:

> I've been yelling at the TV at Croft to STFU for years now. IMO he lets
> Sky's coverage down immensely as all he seems to be is a motor-mouth who, as
> you say, forces the far more knowledgeable Brundle to have to rush to talk
> in the gaps.
>
> I've taken to muting the first few laps of a race as I find I get far more
> info from the screen than I do when Croft is distracting me from the
> subtlety by blabbering about the obvious.
>
> Ir must be far cheaper for a broadcaster to just take the (normally
> uninterrupted) Sky feed than it was to have in-studio commentators and
> playback facilities. Liberty want to increase US interest, not ESPN (who
> just want to make money from what the have). For things to change Liberty
> will have to specify how 'the product' is presented and I'm thinking that
> will have to wait until the current contract with ESPN expires and a new
> contract is written...

You are a pirating, thief, of F1 tv coverage.
And you are complaining?
Fuck off.
John
2018-03-25 00:31:58 UTC
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On Thursday, March 22, 2018 at 11:44:08 AM UTC-7, John wrote:
> I thought moving F1 to ESPN was supposed to bring more publicity to it in the USA. So where is the promotion? Where is the preseason buzz?


And the announcers are horrible; so I'm guessing they'll be very popular on this group.
t***@gmail.com
2018-03-25 03:23:58 UTC
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On Saturday, March 24, 2018 at 6:31:59 PM UTC-6, John wrote:
> On Thursday, March 22, 2018 at 11:44:08 AM UTC-7, John wrote:
> > I thought moving F1 to ESPN was supposed to bring more publicity to it in the USA. So where is the promotion? Where is the preseason buzz?
>
>
> And the announcers are horrible; so I'm guessing they'll be very popular on this group.

Talking to yourself, loser?
Keep on guessing. Whiny bitch. Cornhole crybaby.
John
2018-03-25 21:11:09 UTC
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On Thursday, March 22, 2018 at 11:44:08 AM UTC-7, John wrote:
> I thought moving F1 to ESPN was supposed to bring more publicity to it in the USA. So where is the promotion? Where is the preseason buzz?


I thought qualifying was bad but it had nothing on the actual race. They were in commercial when the freaking safety car came in. This is going to be a long season.
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