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Final Answer (was Image identity [OT slightly, ping Brian, etc])
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Sir Tim
2017-08-29 17:14:14 UTC
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I'd go for Mike Hailwood in the Parnell-entered Lotus-BRM 25 T-car in
P1, Monaco 1965.

Incidentally, this was the last time anyone (in this case Paul Hawkins)
ended up in the harbour!
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Sir Tim
2017-08-29 17:18:34 UTC
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I'd go for Mike Hailwood in the Parnell-entered Lotus-BRM 25 T-car in
P1, Monaco 1965.
Incidentally, this was the last time anyone (in this case Paul Hawkins)
ended up in the harbour!
Sorry, I missed Halmyre's post - it *must* be Dickie Attwood:


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Halmyre
2017-08-29 17:55:04 UTC
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I'd go for Mike Hailwood in the Parnell-entered Lotus-BRM 25 T-car in
P1, Monaco 1965.
Incidentally, this was the last time anyone (in this case Paul Hawkins)
ended up in the harbour!
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/52/91/d4/5291d44c2f62eab7cc8848da87c7c6a3.jpg
I did think Hailwood as well at one point but his helmet design didn't match unless he'd borrowed Attwood's. In some pictures Mike and Richard don't look too dissimilar.
a425couple
2017-09-03 21:20:16 UTC
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I'd go for Mike Hailwood in the Parnell-entered Lotus-BRM 25 T-car in
P1, Monaco 1965.
I can not understand why everyone is trying to squint,
cross their eyes, pull on their ears, drink 3 vodka shots,
then stick a pencil in their eyes,
to see ANYTHING other than the obvious?

It is Lorenzo Bandini in the #17, Ferrari V12 (Ferrari 512).
It is in the rain, so he has removed his normal
clip on helmet brim, and his goggles.
Instead he is wearing a snap on full face
clear bubble visor (like I did in the 1960s).

If you go to Google, then Google Images,
and enter in search -
F1 poster Bandini 1965 Monaco
this same picture shows up on 2nd line.

That same picture is also shown in the G. Hill story:
http://www.grandprixhistory.org/monaco1965.htm
The Monaco Grand Prix of 1965
My Greatest Race
Halmyre
2017-09-04 06:36:50 UTC
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Post by Sir Tim
I'd go for Mike Hailwood in the Parnell-entered Lotus-BRM 25 T-car in
P1, Monaco 1965.
I can not understand why everyone is trying to squint,
cross their eyes, pull on their ears, drink 3 vodka shots,
then stick a pencil in their eyes,
to see ANYTHING other than the obvious?
It is Lorenzo Bandini in the #17, Ferrari V12 (Ferrari 512).
It is in the rain, so he has removed his normal
clip on helmet brim, and his goggles.
Instead he is wearing a snap on full face
clear bubble visor (like I did in the 1960s).
If you go to Google, then Google Images,
and enter in search -
F1 poster Bandini 1965 Monaco
this same picture shows up on 2nd line.
http://www.grandprixhistory.org/monaco1965.htm
The Monaco Grand Prix of 1965
My Greatest Race
You're absolutely correct, except that it's not Bandini and it's not a Ferrari.

On the Graham Hill page, Bandini/Ferrari (dry) is the second image from the top and build's picture (wet) is second from the bottom, and it's definitely a Lotus 25 in Parnell colours, with most likely Richard Attwood behind the wheel.
~misfit~
2017-09-04 10:58:36 UTC
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Post by Sir Tim
I'd go for Mike Hailwood in the Parnell-entered Lotus-BRM 25 T-car
in P1, Monaco 1965.
I can not understand why everyone is trying to squint,
cross their eyes, pull on their ears, drink 3 vodka shots,
then stick a pencil in their eyes,
to see ANYTHING other than the obvious?
It is Lorenzo Bandini in the #17, Ferrari V12 (Ferrari 512).
It is in the rain, so he has removed his normal
clip on helmet brim, and his goggles.
Instead he is wearing a snap on full face
clear bubble visor (like I did in the 1960s).
If you go to Google, then Google Images,
and enter in search -
F1 poster Bandini 1965 Monaco
this same picture shows up on 2nd line.
http://www.grandprixhistory.org/monaco1965.htm
The Monaco Grand Prix of 1965
My Greatest Race
You're absolutely correct, except that it's not Bandini and it's not a Ferrari.
I was only 4 years old at the time and even I knew it wasn't a Ferrari!
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On the Graham Hill page, Bandini/Ferrari (dry) is the second image
from the top and build's picture (wet) is second from the bottom, and
it's definitely a Lotus 25 in Parnell colours, with most likely
Richard Attwood behind the wheel.
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(*Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders)
Sir Tim
2017-09-04 10:46:40 UTC
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I'd go for Mike Hailwood in the Parnell-entered Lotus-BRM 25 T-car in
P1, Monaco 1965.
I can not understand why everyone is trying to squint,
cross their eyes, pull on their ears, drink 3 vodka shots,
then stick a pencil in their eyes,
to see ANYTHING other than the obvious?
It is Lorenzo Bandini in the #17, Ferrari V12 (Ferrari 512).
It is in the rain, so he has removed his normal
clip on helmet brim, and his goggles.
Instead he is wearing a snap on full face
clear bubble visor (like I did in the 1960s).
If you go to Google, then Google Images,
and enter in search -
F1 poster Bandini 1965 Monaco
this same picture shows up on 2nd line.
http://www.grandprixhistory.org/monaco1965.htm
The Monaco Grand Prix of 1965
My Greatest Race
Even without a pencil in my eyes I can see that the two cars are very
different:

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The car Bandini is driving is a 1512 with, as was common at Monaco, a
shortened nose and enlarged air intake. Of course he could have used a
regular 158 in the Thursday practice but that would not account for the
slotted windshield in build's picture, which indicates Lotus.
Surtees used goggles in that session:

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I initially thought the driver looked like Hailwood but I am convinced
by halmyre's post that it is Attwood

The Google search gives a hotchpotch of pictures, not all 1965, and the
Graham Hill page is not captioned.
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Sir Tim

“Growing old is mandatory; growing up is optional”
Halmyre
2017-09-04 15:24:30 UTC
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I'd go for Mike Hailwood in the Parnell-entered Lotus-BRM 25 T-car in
P1, Monaco 1965.
I can not understand why everyone is trying to squint,
cross their eyes, pull on their ears, drink 3 vodka shots,
then stick a pencil in their eyes,
to see ANYTHING other than the obvious?
It is Lorenzo Bandini in the #17, Ferrari V12 (Ferrari 512).
It is in the rain, so he has removed his normal
clip on helmet brim, and his goggles.
Instead he is wearing a snap on full face
clear bubble visor (like I did in the 1960s).
If you go to Google, then Google Images,
and enter in search -
F1 poster Bandini 1965 Monaco
this same picture shows up on 2nd line.
http://www.grandprixhistory.org/monaco1965.htm
The Monaco Grand Prix of 1965
My Greatest Race
Even without a pencil in my eyes I can see that the two cars are very
http://i1049.photobucket.com/albums/s391/Sir_Tim/1965%20mystery%20car/1965%20comparison_zpszblpuaks.jpg
The car Bandini is driving is a 1512 with, as was common at Monaco, a
shortened nose and enlarged air intake. Of course he could have used a
regular 158 in the Thursday practice but that would not account for the
slotted windshield in build's picture, which indicates Lotus.
http://i1049.photobucket.com/albums/s391/Sir_Tim/1965%20mystery%20car/Surtees%201965_zpsyyefmlfh.jpg
I initially thought the driver looked like Hailwood but I am convinced
by halmyre's post that it is Attwood
The Google search gives a hotchpotch of pictures, not all 1965, and the
Graham Hill page is not captioned.
I've had a poke around the Autosport Nostalgia forum and they all agree (a rare thing) that it's Attwood in a Lotus.

http://forums.autosport.com/topic/166463-monaco-gp-photo-to-be-identified/
Sir Tim
2017-09-04 21:21:22 UTC
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I'd go for Mike Hailwood in the Parnell-entered Lotus-BRM 25 T-car in
P1, Monaco 1965.
I can not understand why everyone is trying to squint,
cross their eyes, pull on their ears, drink 3 vodka shots,
then stick a pencil in their eyes,
to see ANYTHING other than the obvious?
It is Lorenzo Bandini in the #17, Ferrari V12 (Ferrari 512).
It is in the rain, so he has removed his normal
clip on helmet brim, and his goggles.
Instead he is wearing a snap on full face
clear bubble visor (like I did in the 1960s).
If you go to Google, then Google Images,
and enter in search -
F1 poster Bandini 1965 Monaco
this same picture shows up on 2nd line.
http://www.grandprixhistory.org/monaco1965.htm
The Monaco Grand Prix of 1965
My Greatest Race
Even without a pencil in my eyes I can see that the two cars are very
http://i1049.photobucket.com/albums/s391/Sir_Tim/1965%20mystery%20car/1965%20comparison_zpszblpuaks.jpg
The car Bandini is driving is a 1512 with, as was common at Monaco, a
shortened nose and enlarged air intake. Of course he could have used a
regular 158 in the Thursday practice but that would not account for the
slotted windshield in build's picture, which indicates Lotus.
http://i1049.photobucket.com/albums/s391/Sir_Tim/1965%20mystery%20car/Surtees%201965_zpsyyefmlfh.jpg
I initially thought the driver looked like Hailwood but I am convinced
by halmyre's post that it is Attwood
The Google search gives a hotchpotch of pictures, not all 1965, and the
Graham Hill page is not captioned.
I've had a poke around the Autosport Nostalgia forum and they all agree
(a rare thing) that it's Attwood in a Lotus.
http://forums.autosport.com/topic/166463-monaco-gp-photo-to-be-identified/
If Doug Nye says it's Attwood it's Attwood!
Thanks for posting the link
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Sir Tim
a425couple
2017-09-05 02:49:46 UTC
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I've had a poke around the Autosport Nostalgia forum and they all agree
(a rare thing) that it's Attwood in a Lotus.
http://forums.autosport.com/topic/166463-monaco-gp-photo-to-be-identified/
If Doug Nye says it's Attwood it's Attwood!
Thanks for posting the link
I totally agree with that (about Doug Nye).

a425couple
2017-09-04 19:09:21 UTC
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I'd go for Mike Hailwood in the Parnell-entered Lotus-BRM 25 T-car in
P1, Monaco 1965.
I can not understand why everyone is trying to squint,
cross their eyes, pull on their ears, drink 3 vodka shots,
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Post by Sir Tim
Even without a pencil in my eyes I can see that the two cars are very
http://i1049.photobucket.com/albums/s391/Sir_Tim/1965%20mystery%20car/1965%20comparison_zpszblpuaks.jpg
I hit send when I was feeling grumpity.
That was a mistake and I am sorry I did it.
Either Sir Tim's above (or someone else's near here)
is a much, much clearer and better picture of
the poster in question. OK.
Again, I am sorry.
Sir Tim
2017-09-04 21:42:53 UTC
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I'd go for Mike Hailwood in the Parnell-entered Lotus-BRM 25 T-car in
P1, Monaco 1965.
I can not understand why everyone is trying to squint,
cross their eyes, pull on their ears, drink 3 vodka shots,
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Post by Sir Tim
Even without a pencil in my eyes I can see that the two cars are very
http://i1049.photobucket.com/albums/s391/Sir_Tim/1965%20mystery%20car/1965%20comparison_zpszblpuaks.jpg
I hit send when I was feeling grumpity.
That was a mistake and I am sorry I did it.
Either Sir Tim's above (or someone else's near here)
is a much, much clearer and better picture of
the poster in question. OK.
Again, I am sorry.
Forget it. I guess we all feel grumpity from time to time, especially when
old age is closing in :-(
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