On Wednesday, December 20, 2017 at 11:16:20 AM UTC+3,
Post by email@example.com Post by ~misfit~ Post by Naked Fame Post by ~misfit~ Post by Bigbird Post by Bruce Hoult Post by Naked Fame
Dacia Lodgy. Not a nice car by any means, but an inexpensive
7-seater >> that I happen to need with my extended family.
Post by Bruce Hoult
OK, I see at dacio.ro the Lodgy starts at EUR 11350, which is
indeed a little over 10000. Fair enough, and that's a mighty
impressive price if you don't mind an awful crash safety rating.
A zero-star rating today is the same as a five-star rating in
2005. At least that's what happened to Fiat Punto: 12 years ago
it got 5 stars, this year the very same car got a straight 0 in
Post by ~misfit~ Post by Bigbird
So, if you have an old car, its rating is irrelevant: the
requirements get stricter every year and they definitely are NOT
comparable over the years. This is something safety rating guys
and manufacturers of old car models don't like to advertise, but
there you are.
It's not a straight zero... it's a technical zero.
"The Punto performs well enough to get two stars in how it
protects drivers, passengers and pedestrians in an accident.
It's the lack of seatbelt warning bongs beyond the driver's seat
and no anti-crash braking tech that disqualify it from any stars
in its overall rating. The organisation is particularly
stringent on cars that don't take cheap and simple safety tech
Personally I would take stars off a number of newer cars because
you can't identify the turning signal as well as you could on
This is my biggest annoyance when driving! Most modern cars have
the turn signals as part of the headlight custer and, if the
headlights are on or the sun is low in the sky (especially but
not only if it's behind the car indicating) they might as well
not be there. Function doesn't just take a back seat to form (and
the price of wiring looms) - it's not even considered other than
My old car has two front turn lamps per side, one in the front
bumper a reasonable distance away from and slightly inboard of
the headlight and another on the front guard just above the wheel
arch (both have LED lamps fitted that are at least twice as
bright as the incandescant lamps they replaced and far more
noticable due to the instant on/off as opposed to fade in / fade
out). There's no uncertainty of which way I'm going at an
intersection like there is with most newer cars.
I don't know how (most of) the newer cars are legal frankly. I'd
like to see data as to how many accidents are or might be caused
by the lack of visibility of a lot of front turn indicators.
The problem being not only that you might not see a turn signal but
that, because siganals are less obvious false positives are more
common. Orange bulbs behind clear or white lenses, especially as
the colour deteriorates are quitely simply inferior to clear bulbs
behind an orange lens, especially in daylight.
I'm using orange LEDs (Gallium Arsenide Phosphide, around 610nm)
behind the original orange lenses and it makes for very intense
orange colour - very noticable and very not-white and not-red.
Post by Naked Fame
Add your point about the
relative illumination to surrounding (led) lights and that those
lights change significantly with viewing angle...
Very much so.
Post by Naked Fame
It's not all new cars but it is a growing number which simply
contradicts the notion that cars are getting safer.
Far too many. There are a lot of roundabouts in the town where I
live and I end up erring on the side of caution, giving way if I
can't be sure if the indicator's going or not. That doesn't make
for flowing traffic though.
Post by Naked Fame
There's an analogy to the Halo here. My problem with those that
wanted the Halo was that it had not been tested/analysed whether
accidents were more likely.
Surviving a crash is one ting... not having a crash is preferable.
That's always been my point. My car has no airbags and no side
intrusion bars but it's also not driven by a distracted
barely-capable driver. I check that all of the lights are working
correctly regularly, check tyre pressures fortnightly and test the
brakes at the end of my street as I'm leaving and then every chance
I get (when there's nobody behind and I have to slow down etc.).
My car is far safer than 90% of the cars on the road and it's over
30 years old.
It's not. Or all the cars on your roads are very old. Most modern
vehicles come with ABS, ESP and airbags and lots of other passive
You're being alert and prudent, which are good, but you're not as
safe, let alone safer. If a big truck hits you head on,
I learned to drive at age 12 on a farm then on gravel "1.5 lane" roads long
before I was legally old enough to do so. The type of raod where there are
three wheel tracks and traffic in both directions share the middle one. The
farms out there got, and got rid of, their stock on freakin huge stock
trucks and trailers that shared those windy undulating roads*. As such (and
as someone who liked to drive fast) I got very very good at split-second
collision avoidance and mind-mapping closing vectors while still in my
'formative years'. Trucks don't change direction as fast as small cars (it's
physics) so they aren't hard to avoid if you think and act quickly.
So I'd say I'm about 10 times less likely to be hit head on by a big truck
than the average driver. While they're registering the situation and
thinking "WTF????" I'm already elsewhere. (Now I'm hoping like fook that I
haven't jinxed myself.....)
[*] For quite a few years one leg of the NZ stage of the World Rally went
right past our front gate - that's how windy and full of blind corners my
home roads were. I could stand in the driveway and watch the Flying Finn go
Post by firstname.lastname@example.org
you're a lot
less safe than you'd be in a modern vehicle with airbags, with a
strong passenger cell and etc.
Especially as we're talking about one of these...
Put this through a translation programme;
It's a contemporary German review of the European version. (The NZ verson
went into production in 1985, any earlier here are ex-Japanese imports and
are quite different with a different engine to the NZ and European
Mine are the Opal Blue version, assembled in NZ in 1985. The positioning of
those side indicators is different (further back, above the wheel arch) as
we had quite stringent rules about those things back then. Like this one;Loading Image...
In fact a couple of months back I bought another one as, although mine's
been getting 'clean sheet' WOFs from VTNZ it's getting a bit of rust here
and there and the clutch is almost shot. Mine's done 240,000kms and was,
just before I bought it, parked in a barn where kids could get in and rally
it around the farm so it's had a hard life.
The 'new one' is in fact a month older but was fully Tectyl-treated from (or
in?) the factory, has been garaged all of its life (in Christchurch up until
this year) and has only done 70,000 kms. I have it under a tarp for now,
until I've got the last out of the 'old one'. They suit me, my back and my
budget (though the new one was dearer than the average car half its age).
The wide door and tall roof allow me to get in easilly and sit bolt upright,
good for my back and for field of view. It's nippy, even at lower revs due
to high torque and is cheap to run (although it needs premium fuel as it has
a 10.2 : 1 compression ratio). They're both 5 speed manual though I'm
starting to think an auto might suit me better (much as I dislike them in
smaller cars) as my back gets worse it gets harder to keep pushing the
clutch pedal around town - where I do 80% of my driving these days.
I bought the new one from a car collector - that's how good condition it's
in. He only sold it as he wanted a red one and finally got one that's in
quite good condition (but not as good as the blue one - changing the clour
is more difficult than most cars as there are painted surfaces inside as
well as outside).
I thought the CRX from the same time period was pretty nifty. Was so
light it went like stink with the 1.5 l engine option, while
officially getting over 60 MPG (imperial, over 50 MPG US) on the
highway -- in the mid 80s!
Great little cars that CRX. I considered one but they're lower and I need to
sit upright. So it's the Honda City or a modern SUV...
Total deathtrap if you hit anything though.
As were most small cars made in the 1980s. The secret is to *not* hit
"Humans will have advanced a long, long way when religious belief has a cozy
little classification in the DSM*."
David Melville (in r.a.s.f1)
(*Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders)