Post by a425couple Post by Halmyre Post by Bobster Post by a425couple
"Tyrrell was still sponsored by French fuel company Elf,
and Tyrrell would retain the traditional French blue racing
colours for most of the rest of its existence."
Yes. In fact some googling shows that early on the Tyrell
entries were NOT painted blue.
Which ones? AFAIK the only non-blue car (whether Matra, March
- or Tyrrell) Stewart ever drove for Ken Tyrrell in F1 was the interim
- Matra MS9 at the 1968 South African Grand Prix, which was in its
- green primer.
Interesting. Thank you for adding.
Google Images of "1968 South African Grand Prix".
another repeat picture
also, different picture/view
IMHO, a very interesting read there.
"To get the car out for practice Tyrrell's people had been taking care
of the important bits - their most obvious omission was neglecting to
get some decent French bleu onto the primered bodywork...
Despite the sloppy paint job the beefed-up F2 chassis proved a revelation,
Jackie taking the paddock by surprise by putting it third on the grid. "
"--- The Matra engineers first built a fully adjustable prototype (the MS9)
based on the MS7 F-2 car. They considered it strictly a test vehicle and
it was shipped to Tyrrell painted only in an ugly green primer. The most
notable feature of these cars was the "structural" fuel tanks with their
internal bulkheads that made them lighter and more rigid than the
competition. Tyrrell decided that the best place to find good weather for
testing would be in South Africa, so he may as well enter the first race
of the year at Kyalami and have a chance to win some prize money to
pay for the shipping costs. Once in Kyalami the team had to chop back
the makeshift nose that came with the car in a vain attempt to cure an
overheating problem. --- This was to be the only race for the MS9."
Fascinating. Again, thank you Halmyre, for further leads.
- The MS9 was really a test mule for the Cosworth DFV installation.
-Matra had already adapted the Formula 2 MS7 for the Matra V12
-(the MS11) but Ken wanted the Cosworth, and persuaded Matra to
-let him have his way. The MS9, unlike the MS7/MS11, used the
-engine as a stressed chassis member. This led to the MS10 and
-nearly gave JYS his first WC. Matra then ditched the V12 to
-concentrate on the championship wining MS80.
-However. Something just occurred to me. How come the Cosworth-based
- MS9/MS10 numbers come before the Matra V12 MS11?
Hmmm, I do not know.
hmmm - that has another picture of green car,
in a museum, at Donington.
"The Matra MS10 is a Formula One car entered by the Matra
International team during the 1968 Formula One season. It, along
with its V12-powered sibling MS11, was Matra's first purpose-built
F1 car and won three races in 1968 ---
Following its success in Formula 2, Matra had developed a F1 car intended to
be powered by their own V12 engine. However, Ken Tyrrell, who was running
the Formula 2 team, was impressed by the Cosworth DFV's performance in the
1967 season, and persuaded Matra to build a car to take this engine. In
the end, Matra Sports would run the V12-engined MS11 as a works entry, and
Tyrrell would run the V8-engined MS10 under the Matra International banner.
Possible answer = they were not "ideally funded",
and external customer Ken Tyrell was a paying customer
and thus got priority.
The MS9 was designated, designed, and then built and 'completed'
in time to run at RSA = 1 January 1968.
The MS10 was designated, designed, built and then completed in
time to run at Spain = on May 12, 1968.
The MS11 was designated, designed, built and then completed in
time for one to run at Monte Carlo Circuit on May 26, 1968.
Or, possible answer, they knew they were not going to be great
right out of the box, and that these new projects always have a
learning curve, things go better and faster the 2nd time, and even
better the third and forth time. Do the learning on some other