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Mark Jackson
2018-07-24 16:03:40 UTC
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"So a German publication is reporting that Lawrence Stroll has bought
Force India. I seriously doubt this has happened. Stroll is cleverer
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Willsy
2018-07-24 16:41:38 UTC
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"So a German publication is reporting that Lawrence Stroll has bought
Force India. I seriously doubt this has happened. Stroll is cleverer
than that."
https://www.motorsportweek.com/joesaward/id/00275
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- Joseph Jones
"Lance Stroll could be off to Force India next season with reports claiming his father is, or will soon be, Force India’s new owner.

According to Germany’s Auto Motor und Sport, Force India are holding the key to the midfield driver market as the team’s future could determine that of several drivers.

Journalist Michael Schmidt reports that there is “speculation that Force India will file for bankruptcy” with Stroll stepping in as their saviour.

Auto Bild is reporting something similar, although they go as far as to question “whether he has secured a majority stake or if the team now belongs completely to him.”

Should the reports of Stroll’s investment in Force India prove to be true, his son Lance is then expected to make the move over from Williams.

The silly season rumour mill suggests he will partner Sergio Perez with Esteban Ocon off to either Renault or McLaren.

Should the Frenchman swap to McLaren, that could put Stoffel Vandoorne out of a drive while if he moves to Renault, Carlos Sainz will head to McLaren, and Vandoorne will again be out of a drive.

Nothing has been confirmed."

https://www.planetf1.com/news/lawrence-stroll-set-to-buy-force-india-report/
geoff
2018-07-24 23:00:05 UTC
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"So a German publication is reporting that Lawrence Stroll has bought
Force India. I seriously doubt this has happened. Stroll is cleverer
than that."
https://www.motorsportweek.com/joesaward/id/00275
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Mark Jackson - http://www.alumni.caltech.edu/~mjackson
No dinner party is a success without at least one physicist.
- Joseph Jones
"Lance Stroll could be off to Force India next season with reports claiming his father is, or will soon be, Force India’s new owner.
According to Germany’s Auto Motor und Sport, Force India are holding the key to the midfield driver market as the team’s future could determine that of several drivers.
"Midfield" ?!!

geoff
Bruce Hoult
2018-07-24 23:21:11 UTC
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"So a German publication is reporting that Lawrence Stroll has bought
Force India. I seriously doubt this has happened. Stroll is cleverer
than that."
https://www.motorsportweek.com/joesaward/id/00275
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Mark Jackson - http://www.alumni.caltech.edu/~mjackson
No dinner party is a success without at least one physicist.
- Joseph Jones
"Lance Stroll could be off to Force India next season with reports claiming his father is, or will soon be, Force India’s new owner.
According to Germany’s Auto Motor und Sport, Force India are holding the key to the midfield driver market as the team’s future could determine that of several drivers.
"Midfield" ?!!
Force India currently have 59 points, equal with Haas.

They are behind Mercedes, Ferrari, Red Bull and Renault.
They are ahead of McLaren, Toro Rosso, Sauber and Williams.

They finished 4th in 2017 and 2016, 5th in 2015, 6th in 2014 and 2013.


Looks like the very definition of "mid field"?
geoff
2018-07-25 00:17:27 UTC
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"So a German publication is reporting that Lawrence Stroll has bought
Force India. I seriously doubt this has happened. Stroll is cleverer
than that."
https://www.motorsportweek.com/joesaward/id/00275
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Mark Jackson - http://www.alumni.caltech.edu/~mjackson
No dinner party is a success without at least one physicist.
- Joseph Jones
"Lance Stroll could be off to Force India next season with reports claiming his father is, or will soon be, Force India’s new owner.
According to Germany’s Auto Motor und Sport, Force India are holding the key to the midfield driver market as the team’s future could determine that of several drivers.
"Midfield" ?!!
Force India currently have 59 points, equal with Haas.
They are behind Mercedes, Ferrari, Red Bull and Renault.
They are ahead of McLaren, Toro Rosso, Sauber and Williams.
They finished 4th in 2017 and 2016, 5th in 2015, 6th in 2014 and 2013.
Looks like the very definition of "mid field"?
Referring specifically Stroll being classed as a "midfield driver" as
was the original quote, not the FI team.

geoff
Bruce Hoult
2018-07-25 03:47:51 UTC
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"So a German publication is reporting that Lawrence Stroll has bought
Force India. I seriously doubt this has happened. Stroll is cleverer
than that."
https://www.motorsportweek.com/joesaward/id/00275
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Mark Jackson - http://www.alumni.caltech.edu/~mjackson
No dinner party is a success without at least one physicist.
- Joseph Jones
"Lance Stroll could be off to Force India next season with reports claiming his father is, or will soon be, Force India’s new owner.
According to Germany’s Auto Motor und Sport, Force India are holding the key to the midfield driver market as the team’s future could determine that of several drivers.
"Midfield" ?!!
Force India currently have 59 points, equal with Haas.
They are behind Mercedes, Ferrari, Red Bull and Renault.
They are ahead of McLaren, Toro Rosso, Sauber and Williams.
They finished 4th in 2017 and 2016, 5th in 2015, 6th in 2014 and 2013.
Looks like the very definition of "mid field"?
Referring specifically Stroll being classed as a "midfield driver" as
was the original quote, not the FI team.
What do you call the guy who comes last in Formula 1? A damn good driver.

Stroll has this year managed to get a completely hopeless Williams into the points once and on the verge of it several more times.

He's no Perez or Ocon, but I don't think he'll be significantly worse than say Magnussen or (record holding .. in a bad way) Hulkenberg once he gets a bit more experience and stops whining like a little girl on certain tracks (or maybe he already did).
geoff
2018-07-25 04:29:49 UTC
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"So a German publication is reporting that Lawrence Stroll has bought
Force India. I seriously doubt this has happened. Stroll is cleverer
than that."
https://www.motorsportweek.com/joesaward/id/00275
--
Mark Jackson - http://www.alumni.caltech.edu/~mjackson
No dinner party is a success without at least one physicist.
- Joseph Jones
"Lance Stroll could be off to Force India next season with reports claiming his father is, or will soon be, Force India’s new owner.
According to Germany’s Auto Motor und Sport, Force India are holding the key to the midfield driver market as the team’s future could determine that of several drivers.
"Midfield" ?!!
Force India currently have 59 points, equal with Haas.
They are behind Mercedes, Ferrari, Red Bull and Renault.
They are ahead of McLaren, Toro Rosso, Sauber and Williams.
They finished 4th in 2017 and 2016, 5th in 2015, 6th in 2014 and 2013.
Looks like the very definition of "mid field"?
Referring specifically Stroll being classed as a "midfield driver" as
was the original quote, not the FI team.
What do you call the guy who comes last in Formula 1? A damn good driver.
Given that the 'field' being referred to is being of 20 drivers, I
wouldn't call number 18 mid. Given car notwithstanding.

Would have to put them all in an identical car, with identical 'luck' to
really know.

geoff
keefy
2018-07-25 23:34:06 UTC
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"So a German publication is reporting that Lawrence Stroll has bought
Force India. I seriously doubt this has happened. Stroll is cleverer
than that."
https://www.motorsportweek.com/joesaward/id/00275
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Mark Jackson - http://www.alumni.caltech.edu/~mjackson
      No dinner party is a success without at least one physicist.
                                            - Joseph Jones
"Lance Stroll could be off to Force India next season with reports
claiming his father is, or will soon be, Force India’s new owner.
According to Germany’s Auto Motor und Sport, Force India are
holding the key to the midfield driver market as the team’s future
could determine that of several drivers.
"Midfield" ?!!
Force India currently have 59 points, equal with Haas.
They are behind Mercedes, Ferrari, Red Bull and Renault.
They are ahead of McLaren, Toro Rosso, Sauber and Williams.
They finished 4th in 2017 and 2016, 5th in 2015, 6th in 2014 and 2013.
Looks like the very definition of "mid field"?
Referring specifically Stroll being classed as a "midfield driver" as
was the original quote, not the FI team.
What do you call the guy who comes last in Formula 1? A damn good driver.
Given that the 'field' being referred to is being of 20 drivers, I
wouldn't call number 18 mid. Given car notwithstanding.
You can not be serious! Where do you think Lewis Hamilton or Fernando
Alonso would be in the WDC driving a Williams? The car is really
important in F1.
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Would have to put them all in an identical car, with identical 'luck' to
really know.
Really? Was it not a very successful F1 driver who said you make your
own luck? And how do you think the top teams pick their drivers? But if
by "to really know" you meant be 100% certain, how many things in life
can you be 100% certain about? Surely the best way to rate a F1 driver
is to compare him to his team mate, no?
t***@gmail.com
2018-07-25 23:57:50 UTC
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Was it not a very successful F1 driver who said you make your
own luck?
The new zealanders are famous for bad luck.
ie: geoff, misfart, hartley.
geoff
2018-07-26 03:05:40 UTC
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"So a German publication is reporting that Lawrence Stroll has bought
Force India. I seriously doubt this has happened. Stroll is cleverer
than that."
https://www.motorsportweek.com/joesaward/id/00275
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Mark Jackson - http://www.alumni.caltech.edu/~mjackson
      No dinner party is a success without at least one physicist.
                                            - Joseph Jones
"Lance Stroll could be off to Force India next season with
reports claiming his father is, or will soon be, Force India’s
new owner.
According to Germany’s Auto Motor und Sport, Force India are
holding the key to the midfield driver market as the team’s
future could determine that of several drivers.
"Midfield" ?!!
Force India currently have 59 points, equal with Haas.
They are behind Mercedes, Ferrari, Red Bull and Renault.
They are ahead of McLaren, Toro Rosso, Sauber and Williams.
They finished 4th in 2017 and 2016, 5th in 2015, 6th in 2014 and 2013.
Looks like the very definition of "mid field"?
Referring specifically Stroll being classed as a "midfield driver" as
was the original quote, not the FI team.
What do you call the guy who comes last in Formula 1? A damn good driver.
Given that the 'field' being referred to is being of 20 drivers, I
wouldn't call number 18 mid. Given car notwithstanding.
You can not be serious! Where do you think Lewis Hamilton or Fernando
Alonso would be in the WDC driving a Williams? The car is really
important in F1.
Possibly slightly higher than the current lumberees. But the their skill
in that crap car would likely be recognised, and they'd get a better
contract next time around.
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Post by geoff
Would have to put them all in an identical car, with identical 'luck'
to really know.
Really? Was it not a very successful F1 driver who said you make your
own luck?
Easily said by somebody who hasn't had much bad luck lately.
And how do you think the top teams pick their drivers? But if
Post by keefy
by "to really know" you meant be 100% certain, how many things in life
can you be 100% certain about? Surely the best way to rate a F1 driver
is to compare him to his team mate, no?
Often one's bad luck, and occasionally good luck, are totally beyond the
influence or control of the recipient. No ?

geoff
t***@gmail.com
2018-07-26 03:37:08 UTC
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bad luck
bad luck
good luck
lol
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2018-07-26 03:47:08 UTC
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Often one's bad luck, and occasionally good luck, are totally beyond the
influence or control of the recipient. No ?
Call your local health care provider.
And tell them you are losing your fucking mind.
keefy
2018-07-26 13:21:21 UTC
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"So a German publication is reporting that Lawrence Stroll has bought
Force India. I seriously doubt this has happened. Stroll is cleverer
than that."
https://www.motorsportweek.com/joesaward/id/00275
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Mark Jackson - http://www.alumni.caltech.edu/~mjackson
      No dinner party is a success without at least one physicist.
                                            - Joseph Jones
"Lance Stroll could be off to Force India next season with
reports claiming his father is, or will soon be, Force India’s
new owner.
According to Germany’s Auto Motor und Sport, Force India are
holding the key to the midfield driver market as the team’s
future could determine that of several drivers.
"Midfield" ?!!
Force India currently have 59 points, equal with Haas.
They are behind Mercedes, Ferrari, Red Bull and Renault.
They are ahead of McLaren, Toro Rosso, Sauber and Williams.
They finished 4th in 2017 and 2016, 5th in 2015, 6th in 2014 and 2013.
Looks like the very definition of "mid field"?
Referring specifically Stroll being classed as a "midfield driver" as
was the original quote, not the FI team.
What do you call the guy who comes last in Formula 1? A damn good driver.
Given that the 'field' being referred to is being of 20 drivers, I
wouldn't call number 18 mid. Given car notwithstanding.
You can not be serious! Where do you think Lewis Hamilton or Fernando
Alonso would be in the WDC driving a Williams? The car is really
important in F1.
Possibly slightly higher than the current lumberees. But the their skill
in that crap car would likely be recognised, and they'd get a better
contract next time around.
But I think both Stroll and Sirotkin did better in Germany than
previously thanks to Williams improving the car for that event. I think
we might see better over the remainder of the season how good those two
drivers are or are not. Assuming Williams do not take a step backward
with the car of course!
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Post by geoff
Would have to put them all in an identical car, with identical 'luck'
to really know.
Really? Was it not a very successful F1 driver who said you make your
own luck?
Easily said by somebody who hasn't had much bad luck lately.
 And how do you think the top teams pick their drivers? But if
Post by keefy
by "to really know" you meant be 100% certain, how many things in life
can you be 100% certain about? Surely the best way to rate a F1 driver
is to compare him to his team mate, no?
Often one's bad luck, and occasionally good luck, are totally beyond the
influence or control of the recipient. No ?
Yes of course, that is what luck means to the best of my knowledge. But
the word luck seems to be misused often and what is put down to luck by
some might in fact be due to one's ability to handle a situation in the
best way. So if you put any number of drivers into identical cars to
compare them as you said, where will luck come into it?
Sir Tim
2018-07-26 18:26:38 UTC
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"So a German publication is reporting that Lawrence Stroll has bought
Force India. I seriously doubt this has happened. Stroll is cleverer
than that."
https://www.motorsportweek.com/joesaward/id/00275
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Mark Jackson - http://www.alumni.caltech.edu/~mjackson
      No dinner party is a success without at least one physicist.
                                            - Joseph Jones
"Lance Stroll could be off to Force India next season with
reports claiming his father is, or will soon be, Force India’s
new owner.
According to Germany’s Auto Motor und Sport, Force India are
holding the key to the midfield driver market as the team’s
future could determine that of several drivers.
"Midfield" ?!!
Force India currently have 59 points, equal with Haas.
They are behind Mercedes, Ferrari, Red Bull and Renault.
They are ahead of McLaren, Toro Rosso, Sauber and Williams.
They finished 4th in 2017 and 2016, 5th in 2015, 6th in 2014 and 2013.
Looks like the very definition of "mid field"?
Referring specifically Stroll being classed as a "midfield driver" as
was the original quote, not the FI team.
What do you call the guy who comes last in Formula 1? A damn good driver.
Given that the 'field' being referred to is being of 20 drivers, I
wouldn't call number 18 mid. Given car notwithstanding.
You can not be serious! Where do you think Lewis Hamilton or Fernando
Alonso would be in the WDC driving a Williams? The car is really
important in F1.
Possibly slightly higher than the current lumberees. But the their skill
in that crap car would likely be recognised, and they'd get a better
contract next time around.
But I think both Stroll and Sirotkin did better in Germany than
previously thanks to Williams improving the car for that event. I think
we might see better over the remainder of the season how good those two
drivers are or are not. Assuming Williams do not take a step backward
with the car of course!
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Post by geoff
Would have to put them all in an identical car, with identical 'luck'
to really know.
Really? Was it not a very successful F1 driver who said you make your
own luck?
Easily said by somebody who hasn't had much bad luck lately.
 And how do you think the top teams pick their drivers? But if
Post by keefy
by "to really know" you meant be 100% certain, how many things in life
can you be 100% certain about? Surely the best way to rate a F1 driver
is to compare him to his team mate, no?
Often one's bad luck, and occasionally good luck, are totally beyond the
influence or control of the recipient. No ?
Yes of course, that is what luck means to the best of my knowledge. But
the word luck seems to be misused often and what is put down to luck by
some might in fact be due to one's ability to handle a situation in the
best way. So if you put any number of drivers into identical cars to
compare them as you said, where will luck come into it?
It may have become a cliche (sorry, don’t know how to do an acute on an
iPad) but it’s worth repeating Jack Nicklaus’s remark when accused of being
lucky: “Yes, and the more I practise the luckier I seem to get!”
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