Post by Geoff Post by Bob Latham
I believe in climate change it is natural and has always been so. Man
makes little or no difference.
Climate-change certainly is natural. But as an overwhelming majority of
scientists (climatologists, meteorologists, glaciologists, hydrologists,
geologists, paleontologists, etc) who have dedicated their careers to
studying such things have not the slightest doubt about, the current
incredibly accelerated *rate*
A rate of zero! Which has been the case since 2000.
Even the IPCC have admitted this.
I notice you make no comment about the number of scientists who resigned
from the IPCC and couldn't get their name removed from the credits on the
reports try though they might. No mention either of the removal of
statements the scientists made from the official report.
Statements deleted included:
"None of the studies cited above has shown clear evidence that we
can attribute the observed climate change to the specific case of
increases in green house gases"
"No study to date has positively attributed all or part of the climate
change observed to anthropogenic (man made) causes."
Professor Frederick Seitz said
"I have never witnesed a more disturbing corruption of the peer review
process than the events that led to this IPCC report"
Post by Geoff
and direction of climate change can be categorically indexed to the era
of human industrialisation, of which CO2 emissions are only a part.
In fact, CO2 rising and temperatures rising pretty much only coincided
from the late 1970s until 2000 since 1900. In other words for most of the
last 117 years the two were not in the same direction.
In the post war years 1940s - 1970s when CO2 was going up very sharply the
temperature was going down sharply , check it out! The BBC did
documentaries about the Global cooling and how we were heading for the
next ice age.
Post by Geoff
However a bunch of red-neck religious fundamentalist politicians and
their followers, and some individuals who just think they for some
reason know better, seem to have a much deeper understanding of the
Just check the facts out for yourself it is easy enough to do, provided
you get original data and not data "modified" by the IPCC. They have
recently shown graphs with the medieval warm period removed. Doesn't do a
lot for your case where it is easily shown that it was warmer 1000 years
ago than it is now.
The less hysterical climate change scientists who don't think it is green
house gases but more more likely to do with solar activity are predicting
no warming for at least the next decade. We'll see who is correct.
Oh, and their graphs of solar activity and earth temperatures do match
over the 20th century and more.
There is tons of evidence that CO2 based ACC is a scam, I've not even
started to list it.