Once upon a time on usenet a425couple wrote:
> On 1/30/2018 5:57 PM, ~misfit~ wrote:
>> [Crossposting removed]
>> Once upon a time on usenet a425couple wrote:
>>> Fernando Alonso one step behind in triple crown challenge claims
>>> Juan Pablo Montoya
>>> Former Williams and McLaren driver Juan Pablo Montoya has been keen
>>> to point out his former F1 rival Fernando Alonso is still one step
>>> behind him in securing motorsports prestigious 'triple crown'.
>>> The Monaco Grand Prix, Indianapolis 500 and the 24 Hours of Le Mans
>>> are the three events that make up the 'triple crown', with Graham
>>> Hill being the only driver in history to have won all three.
>>> Speaking ahead of the 2018 Daytona 24 hours, Montoya spoke about how
>>> he admired the Spaniard's ambition: "He certainly has the ability to
>>> achieve it, but it's not easy,"
>>> Alonso impressed during his first oval outing at Indianapolis last
>>> year, running competitively before retiring due to an engine
>>> failure, and will compete at this weekend's Daytona 24 Hours, with
>>> a view to making his Le Mans debut later in 2018.
>>> During the Colombian's career, he won the Monaco Grand Prix (in
>>> 2003) and claimed two victories at the Indy 500, in 2000 and 2015
>>> Montoya has yet to attempt the Le Mans 24 Hours, though tested
>>> Porsche's 919 at the 2015 rookie gathering in Bahrain, though has
>>> remained open to the possibility of competing at the Le Sarthe
>>> circuit should the right opportunity arise.
>>> "The truth is that I am closer than him. For me, I don't know about
>>> Le Mans," he added. "We will have to see what happens with the Le
>>> Mans regulations and if there is any chance that Penske can do it
>>> in the future. I think it would be quite fun to try."
>>> "I think we are two drivers who are not afraid to try new things. I
>>> don't see any other F1 drivers trying to do that. When you're young
>>> and in Formula 1, you believe there is nothing beyond that."
>> Translates to:
>> I couldn't crack it in F1, was demoted [back] to redneck racing and
>> so am bitter and want to deride those who excel at F1.
>> IMO Nando's one up on Montoya as he's stayed competitive and
>> respected in F1 for a decade and is doing 'new things' while he's
>> still racing in F1. I don't recall Montoya doing that. In fact my
>> memories of Montoyas time in F1 is mainly of him bitching about his
>> team du jour with said teams both ultimately being pleased to see
>> him leave.
> Typical of depressed little misfit to feel he has to
> throw trash on a post of mine.
It's becoming increasingly typical of you to go ad hominem on someone with
admitted mental health issues rather than stick to the discussion at hand.
This is abhorent behaviour that wouldn't be tolerated in a child but seems
to be your go-to reply these days. It really shows the depth (or lack
thereof) of your character.
As to 'throw trash on a post of mine" when you're proliffically posting a
whole lot of news stories (without having the courtesy to call yourself
"News") and off topic junk it's only a matter of time until someone's going
to disagree with one of your posts. It's nothing personal. When you 'put
yourself out there' as much as you are with quoted opinions and off-topic
subjects it's a good idea to have thicker skin. Getting all red in the face
because someone doesn't agree with AN ARTICLE ON A MAGAZINE SITE (that you
happened to post here) is misplaced agression and really makes me wonder...
> So he thinks that a driver who won 7 F1 WDC races,
> finished 3rd in WDC twice, and 4th once,
> "couldn't crack it in F1".
Yes. In that article he's suggesting that he's more successful than Alonso.
Hubris much? Alonso's a 2 x WDC never mind Montoya's 7 race wins over five
seasons with front-running teams.
> Oh yeah, this is the poster that could never be
> bothered to even try.
If *you'd* tried you'd have read these comments at the link you provided:
"During the 2003 French Grand Prix, after a misunderstanding with the pit
crew, there was a vocal exchange of expletives between the Colombian and his
team. This was followed by a formal letter of reprimand from the BMW
Williams F1 team."
 "Criticised in previous years for his lack of fitness Montoya began a
training program under the direction of McLaren personnel however all the
effort was lost when after the Malaysian Grand Prix he injured his shoulder
playing tennis. This was in breach of his contractual obligations forbidding
potentially dangerous pastimes. As a result of his negligence he missed two
Grands Prix and had to return to competition before his injuries were
healed. He was often seen with his arm almost motionless for the remaining
five Grands Prix."
 "The United States Grand Prix also brought further disappointment to
Montoya's season. An 8-car crash on the first corner saw him retire from the
race, yet again taking no points. This crash also involved teammate
Räikkönen, and as one of the main instigators of the crash thanks to his and
Räikkönen's impact being seen as the initial cause of the crash, this cast
further doubt upon Montoya's future in Formula One.
Montoya's Formula One career effectively came to an end on July 9 when he
announced in a public press conference from the US that he had signed a
contract to run in the NASCAR series from 2007. On July 11, 2006, McLaren
announced that Montoya would stop racing for the team with immediate
The above is why I said he "couldn't crack it in F1" and that he had trouble
with teams he raced for. What 'successful' F1 driver would announce
in-season while driving for a competitive team that he's going to NASCAR
Seriously. SEVEN wins over FIVE SEASONS driving for top teams (at the time)
Williams and McLaren? The year after he left McLaren their drivers finished
2nd and 3rd in the WDC. The year after that McLaren won the WDC. Obviously
the decision to go to NASCAR had nothing to do with the *team* not being any
Oh yeah, this is the poster that could never be bothered to even try....
"Humans will have advanced a long, long way when religious belief has a cozy
little classification in the DSM*."
David Melville (in r.a.s.f1)
(*Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders)
> I remember fondly when the top drivers did many things.
> "Jim Clark Does NASCAR
> The versatile Jimmy Clark could drive anything - and loved to test his
> mettle with the best of them. Like A.J. Foyt, Mario Andretti, Dan
> Gurney, Juan Pablo Montoya and Lloyd Ruby, Clark loved to try his hand
> at any form of racing. Not only that but he was good, winning in a
> variety of cars: Formula One, sports cars and IndyCars. A footnote in
> his career was his foray into the world of NASCAR at Rockingham, North
> Carolina in 1967. Driving for John Holmon and Ralph Moody, Clark
> tested his skills in the big stock cars and found the adventure
> intriguing, albeit a struggle. He expressed a desire to return, but
> this was not to be as he was killed the following year in a Formula
> Two race in Germany. This article originally appeared in the Allstate
> 400 program."
> One week after I watched Dan Gurney win at Pacific Raceway over
> Innes Ireland, Masten Gregory, and Jo Bonnier, they competed
> at the French GP, and he won there over them also.