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ESPN, ABC to use Sky's Formula 1 coverage
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Sir Tim
2018-02-13 23:23:01 UTC
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Sounds like good news.

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/f1-broadcast-television-espn-abc-sky-1004720/


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Steve Thompson
2018-02-13 23:33:03 UTC
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On Tue, 13 Feb 2018, Sir Tim wrote:

> Sounds like good news.

I beg to differ. If this means that we get Martin Brundle instead of David
Hobbs, I consder it a downside.

Steve
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~misfit~
2018-02-13 23:47:29 UTC
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Once upon a time on usenet Steve Thompson wrote:
> On Tue, 13 Feb 2018, Sir Tim wrote:
>
>> Sounds like good news.
>
> I beg to differ. If this means that we get Martin Brundle instead of
> David Hobbs, I consder it a downside.
>
> Steve

Was Hobbs an F1 driver with contacts still inside teams? Has he driven
relatively recent F1 cars?
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2018-02-14 00:25:15 UTC
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On Tuesday, February 13, 2018 at 4:47:34 PM UTC-7, ~misfit~ wrote:

> Has he driven relatively recent F1 cars?

Look it up, cornholer, piece of shit, loser.
~misfit~
2018-02-14 05:57:26 UTC
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Once upon a time on usenet ~misfit~ wrote:
> Once upon a time on usenet Steve Thompson wrote:
>> On Tue, 13 Feb 2018, Sir Tim wrote:
>>
>>> Sounds like good news.
>>
>> I beg to differ. If this means that we get Martin Brundle instead of
>> David Hobbs, I consder it a downside.
>>
>> Steve
>
> Was Hobbs an F1 driver with contacts still inside teams? Has he driven
> relatively recent F1 cars?

Now I have more time I thought I should check that myself and I see that
Hobbs raced in F1 for four seasons (starting in 1967) and didn't score a
single point!

Brundle raced for 12 years, the last year being 1996, finishing on the
podium many times and scoring 98 points. During that time he raced for
several teams including (but not limited to) Benneton, Jordan, Williams,
Tyrell and McLaren and has many friends in the paddock from those days. He
has attended Grands Prix every year from at least 1984 to 2017, 158 of them
as a driver. He was an F1 test driver for Pirelli as late as 2011 and is
occasionally allowed to drive Williams F1 cars.

Hobbs just sits in the studio commentating doesn't he? Brundle is in the
paddock for 4 days of almost every Grand Prix...
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Dan the Man
2018-02-14 17:15:22 UTC
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On Wednesday, February 14, 2018 at 12:57:31 AM UTC-5, ~misfit~ wrote:
> Once upon a time on usenet ~misfit~ wrote:
> > Once upon a time on usenet Steve Thompson wrote:
> >> On Tue, 13 Feb 2018, Sir Tim wrote:
> >>
> >>> Sounds like good news.
> >>
> >> I beg to differ. If this means that we get Martin Brundle instead of
> >> David Hobbs, I consder it a downside.
> >>
> >> Steve
> >
> > Was Hobbs an F1 driver with contacts still inside teams? Has he driven
> > relatively recent F1 cars?
>
> Now I have more time I thought I should check that myself and I see that
> Hobbs raced in F1 for four seasons (starting in 1967) and didn't score a
> single point!
>
> Brundle raced for 12 years, the last year being 1996, finishing on the
> podium many times and scoring 98 points. During that time he raced for
> several teams including (but not limited to) Benneton, Jordan, Williams,
> Tyrell and McLaren and has many friends in the paddock from those days. He
> has attended Grands Prix every year from at least 1984 to 2017, 158 of them
> as a driver. He was an F1 test driver for Pirelli as late as 2011 and is
> occasionally allowed to drive Williams F1 cars.
>
> Hobbs just sits in the studio commentating doesn't he? Brundle is in the
> paddock for 4 days of almost every Grand Prix...
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> Shaun.
>
> "Humans will have advanced a long, long way when religious belief has a cozy
> little classification in the DSM*."
> David Melville (in r.a.s.f1)
> (*Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders)

The way NBC did it, Will Buxton was the only one on site. The other three were all in the studio.
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2018-02-14 06:12:13 UTC
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On Wednesday, 14 February 2018 01:47:34 UTC+2, ~misfit~ wrote:
> Once upon a time on usenet Steve Thompson wrote:
> > On Tue, 13 Feb 2018, Sir Tim wrote:
> >
> >> Sounds like good news.
> >
> > I beg to differ. If this means that we get Martin Brundle instead of
> > David Hobbs, I consder it a downside.
> >
> > Steve
>
> Was Hobbs an F1 driver with contacts still inside teams? Has he driven
> relatively recent F1 cars?

Murray Walker never drove a racing car. Hobbs has a far better racing pedigree.

There's been a shift over the years. Sporting commentary on TV is increasingly given to us by those who played the sport at high level.
Sir Tim
2018-02-14 08:11:30 UTC
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<***@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wednesday, 14 February 2018 01:47:34 UTC+2, ~misfit~ wrote:
>> Once upon a time on usenet Steve Thompson wrote:
>>> On Tue, 13 Feb 2018, Sir Tim wrote:
>>>
>>>> Sounds like good news.
>>>
>>> I beg to differ. If this means that we get Martin Brundle instead of
>>> David Hobbs, I consder it a downside.
>>>
>>> Steve
>>
>> Was Hobbs an F1 driver with contacts still inside teams? Has he driven
>> relatively recent F1 cars?
>
> Murray Walker never drove a racing car. Hobbs has a far better racing pedigree.
>
> There's been a shift over the years. Sporting commentary on TV is
> increasingly given to us by those who played the sport at high level.
>
>

Murray and Hobbs are both “characters”, and very entertaining ones at that.
Brundle may not attract as much affection but he knows the modern sport
inside out and (unlike some top sportsmen) also has a natural talent for
commentary.

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Sir Tim
2018-02-14 07:58:37 UTC
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Steve Thompson <***@vgersoft.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 13 Feb 2018, Sir Tim wrote:
>
>> Sounds like good news.
>
> I beg to differ. If this means that we get Martin Brundle instead of David
> Hobbs, I consder it a downside.
>
> Steve

I’ve had the opportunity to watch them both quite regularly. Whilst I much
enjoy Hobbs’s laconic style and sense of humour, Brundle is far more au
fait with modern F1, knows all the drivers and can think fast on his feet.
Fact is they are both good - but different.

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Dan the Man
2018-02-14 02:57:59 UTC
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On Tuesday, February 13, 2018 at 6:23:03 PM UTC-5, Sir Tim wrote:
> Sounds like good news.
>
> https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/f1-broadcast-television-espn-abc-sky-1004720/
>
>
> --
> Sir Tim

In an era where ESPN has been cutting reporter/writer jobs, this looks like a cost-cutting move. I'll keep an open mind since I've never seen Sky's F1 coverage.
Sir Tim
2018-02-14 08:11:29 UTC
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Dan the Man <***@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Tuesday, February 13, 2018 at 6:23:03 PM UTC-5, Sir Tim wrote:
>> Sounds like good news.
>>
>> https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/f1-broadcast-television-espn-abc-sky-1004720/
>>
>>
>> --
>> Sir Tim
>
> In an era where ESPN has been cutting reporter/writer jobs, this looks
> like a cost-cutting move. I'll keep an open mind since I've never seen Sky's F1 coverage.
>

I’ve never heard anybody claim that the Sky coverage is anything but of the
highest quality. Certainly it’s the most comprehensive I can remember (and
I’ve been watching F1 since the 1950s).

What folk in Britain object to, in a world where we have been used to
free-to-air coverage, is having to pay for it! That and a generalised
hatred for Rupert Murdoch and all his works.

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m***@gmail.com
2018-02-14 09:41:34 UTC
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On Wednesday, 14 February 2018 10:11:33 UTC+2, Sir Tim wrote:

> I’ve never heard anybody claim that the Sky coverage is anything but of the
> highest quality. Certainly it’s the most comprehensive I can remember (and
> I’ve been watching F1 since the 1950s).
Last year, DSTV, who broadcast F1 in South Africa, switched from the BBC package (or CH4 - the one that DC does) to SKY. The increase in quality was very clear. Whether Brundle beats DC is a partly subjective matter (for me he speaks with more authority and a better turn of phrase), but we got a much better package with the grid walks, the pre and post race analysis (including from Pat Symonds).

The pictures of the racing are the same - FOM world feed, but the overall package is superior.

>
> What folk in Britain object to, in a world where we have been used to
> free-to-air coverage, is having to pay for it! That and a generalised
> hatred for Rupert Murdoch and all his works.

AIUI there is a change of station/network in the USA as well. NBC (I presume this is where Hobbs comes in) are dropping F1 and ABC are picking it up.

I'm not sure whether this means fans must now pay (or pay more), but for sure ABC will be paying Sky.
DumbedDownUSA
2018-02-14 10:19:11 UTC
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***@gmail.com wrote:

> On Wednesday, 14 February 2018 10:11:33 UTC+2, Sir Tim wrote:
>
> > I’ve never heard anybody claim that the Sky coverage is anything
> > but of the highest quality. Certainly it’s the most comprehensive I
> > can remember (and I’ve been watching F1 since the 1950s).
> Last year, DSTV, who broadcast F1 in South Africa, switched from the
> BBC package (or CH4 - the one that DC does) to SKY. The increase in
> quality was very clear. Whether Brundle beats DC is a partly
> subjective matter (for me he speaks with more authority and a better
> turn of phrase), but we got a much better package with the grid
> walks, the pre and post race analysis (including from Pat Symonds).
>
> The pictures of the racing are the same - FOM world feed, but the
> overall package is superior.
>
> >
> > What folk in Britain object to, in a world where we have been used
> > to free-to-air coverage, is having to pay for it! That and a
> > generalised hatred for Rupert Murdoch and all his works.
>
> AIUI there is a change of station/network in the USA as well. NBC (I
> presume this is where Hobbs comes in) are dropping F1 and ABC are
> picking it up.
>
> I'm not sure whether this means fans must now pay (or pay more), but
> for sure ABC will be paying Sky.

...and/or Libery Media.

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2018-02-14 12:27:16 UTC
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On 2/14/2018 4:41 AM, ***@gmail.com wrote:
> On Wednesday, 14 February 2018 10:11:33 UTC+2, Sir Tim wrote:

>> What folk in Britain object to, in a world where we have been used
>> to free-to-air coverage, is having to pay for it! That and a
>> generalised hatred for Rupert Murdoch and all his works.
>
> AIUI there is a change of station/network in the USA as well. NBC (I
> presume this is where Hobbs comes in) are dropping F1 and ABC are
> picking it up.

Yes. For some years F1 in the USA has run about 4 races on the NBC
network (free to air) and the rest on NBC Sports (cable) except when EPL
matches filled these in which case the race would be on CNBC (cable,
usually business, channel). In 2018 USA and MEX will be on free-to-air
ABC (plus a rebroadcast of MC) with the rest on cable ESPN and ESPN2.

> I'm not sure whether this means fans must now pay (or pay more), but
> for sure ABC will be paying Sky.

All of the aforementioned cable channels are generally included in any
cable subscription package above the very basic. None of them is a
premium channel (HBO, etc.).

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John
2018-02-14 20:25:31 UTC
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Well that sucks.
Sir Tim
2018-02-15 12:36:23 UTC
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John <***@gmail.com> wrote:
> Well that sucks.
>

And why?
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2018-02-16 00:48:36 UTC
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On Thursday, February 15, 2018 at 5:36:25 AM UTC-7, Sir Tim wrote:
> John <***@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Well that sucks.
> >
>
> And why?

John is brain dead.
And you humping his leg is pathetic.
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