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Monte Carlo - new track record
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Brian W Lawrence
2018-05-28 10:15:08 UTC
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Dan Ricciardo set a new track record during Qualifying on Saturday.

Here's the progression of the F1 record since 1950:

Year Car Engine Time kph
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1950  JM Fangio Alfa Romeo 158 Alfa Romeo 1.5 110.2 103.883

1956  JM Fangio Ferrari D50 Ferrari 2.5 104.0 108.865
1957  JM Fangio Maserati 250F Maserati 2.5 102.7 110.243
1958  CAS Brooks Vanwall Vanwall 2.5 99.8 113.446
1959  SC Moss Cooper T51 Climax 2.5 99.6 113.674
1960  SC Moss Lotus 18 Climax 2.5 96.3 117.570
1960  BL McLaren Cooper T53 Climax 2.5 96.2 117.700 FL
1962  J Clark Lotus 25 Climax 1.5 95.4 118.679
1963  J Clark Lotus 25 Climax 1.5 94.3 120.063
1964  J Clark Lotus 25 Climax 1.5 94.0 120.446
1964  NG Hill BRM P261 BRM 1.5 93.9 120.600 FL
1965  NG Hill BRM P261 BRM 1.5 92.5 122.400
1966  J Clark Lotus 33 Climax 2.0 89.9 125.939
1966  L Bandini Ferrari 246 Ferrari 2.4 89.8 126.080 FL
1967  JA Brabham Brabham BT19 Repco 3.0 87.6 129.246
1969  JY Stewart Matra MS80 Cosworth 3.0 84.6 133.829
1970  JY Stewart March 701 Cosworth 3.0 84.0 134.785
1970  K-J Rindt Lotus 49C Cosworth 3.0 83.2 136.100 FL
1971  JY Stewart Tyrrell 003 Cosworth 3.0 82.2 137.700 FL

1972  E Fittipaldi Lotus 72D Cosworth 3.0 81.4 139.090

1980  DJL Pironi Ligier JS11/15 Cosworth 3.0 84.813 140.582
1982  RA Arnoux Renault RE30B Renault 1.5 83.281 143.168
1984  AMP Prost McLaren MP4-2 TAG 1.5 82.661 144.242
1985  A Senna Lotus 97T Renault 1.5 80.450 148.206

1991  A Senna McLaren MP4-6 Honda 3.5 80.344 149.119
1992  NEJ Mansell Williams FW14B Renault 3.5 79.495 150.711
1994  M Schumacher Benetton B194 Ford Zetec 3.5 78.560 152.505

1997  H-H Frentzen Williams FW19 Renault 3.0 78.216 154.924

2001  DM Coulthard McLaren MP4-16 Mercedes 3.0 77.430 156.683
2002  JP Montoya Williams FW24 BMW 3.0 76.676 158.224

2003  R Schumacher Williams FW25 BMW 3.0 75.259 159.768
2003  K-M Räikkönen McLaren MP4-17D Mercedes 3.0 74.545 161.298 FL
2004  J Trulli Renault R24 Renault 3.0 73.985 162.519
2006  F Alonso Renault R26 Renault 2.4 73.962 162.569
2010  MA Webber Red Bull RB6 Renault 2.4 73.826 162.869
2011  S Vettel Red Bull RB7 Renault 2.4 73.556 163.467

2017  K-M Räikkönen Ferrari SF70H Ferrari 1.6 72.178 166.438
2018  D Ricciardo Red Bull RB14 TAG Heuer 1.6 70.810 169.654

Notes

All records set by pole sitter except where marked FL (fastest race lap).
Breaks indicate changes in track layout.

Track changes

1950 3180m 1
1955 3145m 17
1972 3145m 1
1973 3278m 3
1976 3312m 10
1986 3328m 11
1997 3366m 1
1998 3367m 2
2000 3370m 3
2003 3340m 12
2015 3337m 4

It is possible, though unlikely, that a new track record could have been
set during a free practice session. Free practice began in the
mid-1970s, but full timings are not always known, and I haven't checked
the ones I do have.
bra
2018-05-28 13:35:00 UTC
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Dan Ricciardo set a new track record during Qualifying on Saturday.
2018  D Ricciardo Red Bull RB14 TAG Heuer 1.6 70.810 169.654
For Monaco, the thought of a 105 mph average makes my head reel.

Brian, do they record max. speed data there? To average 105 entails some pretty high velocities somewhere round the circuit.
Brian W Lawrence
2018-05-28 14:39:35 UTC
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Dan Ricciardo set a new track record during Qualifying on Saturday.
2018  D Ricciardo Red Bull RB14 TAG Heuer 1.6 70.810 169.654
For Monaco, the thought of a 105 mph average makes my head reel.
Brian, do they record max. speed data there? To average 105 entails some pretty high velocities somewhere round the circuit.
During qualifying the max speeds recorded were

Sector 1 VET 226.6 60m before Turn 5 (Mirabeau)
Sector 2 RIC 212.7 188m before Turn 10 (chicane)
Speed Trap RAI 289.6 67m before Turn 13 (Chiron)
Start/Finish RIC 277.2

Chiron is the LH turn before Piscina

Ricciardo was only 13th fastest through the Speed Trap at 285.0
and 10th at Sector 1, 221.8 (not necessarily all on the same lap)
bra
2018-05-29 05:15:09 UTC
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2018  D Ricciardo Red Bull RB14 TAG Heuer 1.6 70.810 169.654
For Monaco, the thought of a 105 mph average makes my head reel.
Brian, do they record max. speed data there? To average 105 entails some pretty high velocities somewhere round the circuit.
During qualifying the max speeds recorded were
Speed Trap RAI 289.6 67m before Turn 13 (Chiron)
I never have and likely never will drive a vehicle at 290kph, but if I did, it would be on a minimum two-mile smooth runway, alone, in a meticulously-prepared car that had been okayed at that speed an hour before, in perfect weather, and after taking a good pee. Then I might.

Raikonnen is welcome to pull that 'stunt' at Monaco and may his gods reward and preserve the mighty Finn! That's 180 fecking miles an hour. On a narrow fecking town street. Hello Odin.

The older I get the more clearly I assess my probable death in attempting foolishly elevated speeds.
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2018-05-29 15:36:06 UTC
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Dan Ricciardo set a new track record during Qualifying on Saturday.
Year Car Engine Time kph
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1950  JM Fangio Alfa Romeo 158 Alfa Romeo 1.5 110.2 103.883
1956  JM Fangio Ferrari D50 Ferrari 2.5 104.0 108.865
1957  JM Fangio Maserati 250F Maserati 2.5 102.7 110.243
1958  CAS Brooks Vanwall Vanwall 2.5 99.8 113.446
1959  SC Moss Cooper T51 Climax 2.5 99.6 113.674
1960  SC Moss Lotus 18 Climax 2.5 96.3 117.570
1960  BL McLaren Cooper T53 Climax 2.5 96.2 117.700 FL
1962  J Clark Lotus 25 Climax 1.5 95.4 118.679
1963  J Clark Lotus 25 Climax 1.5 94.3 120.063
1964  J Clark Lotus 25 Climax 1.5 94.0 120.446
1964  NG Hill BRM P261 BRM 1.5 93.9 120.600 FL
1965  NG Hill BRM P261 BRM 1.5 92.5 122.400
1966  J Clark Lotus 33 Climax 2.0 89.9 125.939
1966  L Bandini Ferrari 246 Ferrari 2.4 89.8 126.080 FL
1967  JA Brabham Brabham BT19 Repco 3.0 87.6 129.246
1969  JY Stewart Matra MS80 Cosworth 3.0 84.6 133.829
1970  JY Stewart March 701 Cosworth 3.0 84.0 134.785
1970  K-J Rindt Lotus 49C Cosworth 3.0 83.2 136.100 FL
1971  JY Stewart Tyrrell 003 Cosworth 3.0 82.2 137.700 FL
1972  E Fittipaldi Lotus 72D Cosworth 3.0 81.4 139.090
1980  DJL Pironi Ligier JS11/15 Cosworth 3.0 84.813 140.582
1982  RA Arnoux Renault RE30B Renault 1.5 83.281 143.168
1984  AMP Prost McLaren MP4-2 TAG 1.5 82.661 144.242
1985  A Senna Lotus 97T Renault 1.5 80.450 148.206
1991  A Senna McLaren MP4-6 Honda 3.5 80.344 149.119
1992  NEJ Mansell Williams FW14B Renault 3.5 79.495 150.711
1994  M Schumacher Benetton B194 Ford Zetec 3.5 78.560 152.505
1997  H-H Frentzen Williams FW19 Renault 3.0 78.216 154.924
2001  DM Coulthard McLaren MP4-16 Mercedes 3.0 77.430 156.683
2002  JP Montoya Williams FW24 BMW 3.0 76.676 158.224
2003  R Schumacher Williams FW25 BMW 3.0 75.259 159.768
2003  K-M Räikkönen McLaren MP4-17D Mercedes 3.0 74.545 161.298 FL
2004  J Trulli Renault R24 Renault 3.0 73.985 162.519
2006  F Alonso Renault R26 Renault 2.4 73.962 162.569
2010  MA Webber Red Bull RB6 Renault 2.4 73.826 162.869
2011  S Vettel Red Bull RB7 Renault 2.4 73.556 163.467
2017  K-M Räikkönen Ferrari SF70H Ferrari 1.6 72.178 166.438
2018  D Ricciardo Red Bull RB14 TAG Heuer 1.6 70.810 169.654
Notes
All records set by pole sitter except where marked FL (fastest race lap).
Breaks indicate changes in track layout.
Track changes
1950 3180m 1
1955 3145m 17
1972 3145m 1
1973 3278m 3
1976 3312m 10
1986 3328m 11
1997 3366m 1
1998 3367m 2
2000 3370m 3
2003 3340m 12
2015 3337m 4
It is possible, though unlikely, that a new track record could have been
set during a free practice session. Free practice began in the
mid-1970s, but full timings are not always known, and I haven't checked
the ones I do have.
Brian,
If I'm not very much mistaken ...
The lap record is now 1:14.260 set by Max Verstappen (2018).
The previous record was 1:14.820.

beers,
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larkim
2018-05-29 15:50:53 UTC
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Post by Brian W Lawrence
Dan Ricciardo set a new track record during Qualifying on Saturday.
Year Car Engine Time kph
====================================================================
1950  JM Fangio Alfa Romeo 158 Alfa Romeo 1.5 110.2 103.883
1956  JM Fangio Ferrari D50 Ferrari 2.5 104.0 108.865
1957  JM Fangio Maserati 250F Maserati 2.5 102.7 110.243
1958  CAS Brooks Vanwall Vanwall 2.5 99.8 113.446
1959  SC Moss Cooper T51 Climax 2.5 99.6 113.674
1960  SC Moss Lotus 18 Climax 2.5 96.3 117.570
1960  BL McLaren Cooper T53 Climax 2.5 96.2 117.700 FL
1962  J Clark Lotus 25 Climax 1.5 95.4 118.679
1963  J Clark Lotus 25 Climax 1.5 94.3 120.063
1964  J Clark Lotus 25 Climax 1.5 94.0 120.446
1964  NG Hill BRM P261 BRM 1.5 93.9 120.600 FL
1965  NG Hill BRM P261 BRM 1.5 92.5 122.400
1966  J Clark Lotus 33 Climax 2.0 89.9 125.939
1966  L Bandini Ferrari 246 Ferrari 2.4 89.8 126.080 FL
1967  JA Brabham Brabham BT19 Repco 3.0 87.6 129.246
1969  JY Stewart Matra MS80 Cosworth 3.0 84.6 133.829
1970  JY Stewart March 701 Cosworth 3.0 84.0 134.785
1970  K-J Rindt Lotus 49C Cosworth 3.0 83.2 136.100 FL
1971  JY Stewart Tyrrell 003 Cosworth 3.0 82.2 137.700 FL
1972  E Fittipaldi Lotus 72D Cosworth 3.0 81.4 139.090
1980  DJL Pironi Ligier JS11/15 Cosworth 3.0 84.813 140.582
1982  RA Arnoux Renault RE30B Renault 1.5 83.281 143.168
1984  AMP Prost McLaren MP4-2 TAG 1.5 82.661 144.242
1985  A Senna Lotus 97T Renault 1.5 80.450 148.206
1991  A Senna McLaren MP4-6 Honda 3.5 80.344 149.119
1992  NEJ Mansell Williams FW14B Renault 3.5 79.495 150.711
1994  M Schumacher Benetton B194 Ford Zetec 3.5 78.560 152.505
1997  H-H Frentzen Williams FW19 Renault 3.0 78.216 154.924
2001  DM Coulthard McLaren MP4-16 Mercedes 3.0 77.430 156.683
2002  JP Montoya Williams FW24 BMW 3.0 76.676 158.224
2003  R Schumacher Williams FW25 BMW 3.0 75.259 159.768
2003  K-M Räikkönen McLaren MP4-17D Mercedes 3.0 74.545 161.298 FL
2004  J Trulli Renault R24 Renault 3.0 73.985 162.519
2006  F Alonso Renault R26 Renault 2.4 73.962 162.569
2010  MA Webber Red Bull RB6 Renault 2.4 73.826 162.869
2011  S Vettel Red Bull RB7 Renault 2.4 73.556 163.467
2017  K-M Räikkönen Ferrari SF70H Ferrari 1.6 72.178 166.438
2018  D Ricciardo Red Bull RB14 TAG Heuer 1.6 70.810 169.654
Notes
All records set by pole sitter except where marked FL (fastest race lap).
Breaks indicate changes in track layout.
Track changes
1950 3180m 1
1955 3145m 17
1972 3145m 1
1973 3278m 3
1976 3312m 10
1986 3328m 11
1997 3366m 1
1998 3367m 2
2000 3370m 3
2003 3340m 12
2015 3337m 4
It is possible, though unlikely, that a new track record could have been
set during a free practice session. Free practice began in the
mid-1970s, but full timings are not always known, and I haven't checked
the ones I do have.
Brian,
If I'm not very much mistaken ...
The lap record is now 1:14.260 set by Max Verstappen (2018).
The previous record was 1:14.820.
beers,
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The list Brian has posted are quali lap records, if I'm not mistaken.

Raikkonnen did NOT lap last year in 1m12 during the race :-)
larkim
2018-05-29 15:52:57 UTC
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Dan Ricciardo set a new track record during Qualifying on Saturday.
Year Car Engine Time kph
====================================================================
1950  JM Fangio Alfa Romeo 158 Alfa Romeo 1.5 110.2 103.883
1956  JM Fangio Ferrari D50 Ferrari 2.5 104.0 108.865
1957  JM Fangio Maserati 250F Maserati 2.5 102.7 110.243
1958  CAS Brooks Vanwall Vanwall 2.5 99.8 113.446
1959  SC Moss Cooper T51 Climax 2.5 99.6 113.674
1960  SC Moss Lotus 18 Climax 2.5 96.3 117.570
1960  BL McLaren Cooper T53 Climax 2.5 96.2 117.700 FL
1962  J Clark Lotus 25 Climax 1.5 95.4 118.679
1963  J Clark Lotus 25 Climax 1.5 94.3 120.063
1964  J Clark Lotus 25 Climax 1.5 94.0 120.446
1964  NG Hill BRM P261 BRM 1.5 93.9 120.600 FL
1965  NG Hill BRM P261 BRM 1.5 92.5 122.400
1966  J Clark Lotus 33 Climax 2.0 89.9 125.939
1966  L Bandini Ferrari 246 Ferrari 2.4 89.8 126.080 FL
1967  JA Brabham Brabham BT19 Repco 3.0 87.6 129.246
1969  JY Stewart Matra MS80 Cosworth 3.0 84.6 133.829
1970  JY Stewart March 701 Cosworth 3.0 84.0 134.785
1970  K-J Rindt Lotus 49C Cosworth 3.0 83.2 136.100 FL
1971  JY Stewart Tyrrell 003 Cosworth 3.0 82.2 137.700 FL
1972  E Fittipaldi Lotus 72D Cosworth 3.0 81.4 139.090
1980  DJL Pironi Ligier JS11/15 Cosworth 3.0 84.813 140.582
1982  RA Arnoux Renault RE30B Renault 1.5 83.281 143.168
1984  AMP Prost McLaren MP4-2 TAG 1.5 82.661 144.242
1985  A Senna Lotus 97T Renault 1.5 80.450 148.206
1991  A Senna McLaren MP4-6 Honda 3.5 80.344 149.119
1992  NEJ Mansell Williams FW14B Renault 3.5 79.495 150.711
1994  M Schumacher Benetton B194 Ford Zetec 3.5 78.560 152.505
1997  H-H Frentzen Williams FW19 Renault 3.0 78.216 154.924
2001  DM Coulthard McLaren MP4-16 Mercedes 3.0 77.430 156.683
2002  JP Montoya Williams FW24 BMW 3.0 76.676 158.224
2003  R Schumacher Williams FW25 BMW 3.0 75.259 159.768
2003  K-M Räikkönen McLaren MP4-17D Mercedes 3.0 74.545 161.298 FL
2004  J Trulli Renault R24 Renault 3.0 73.985 162.519
2006  F Alonso Renault R26 Renault 2.4 73.962 162.569
2010  MA Webber Red Bull RB6 Renault 2.4 73.826 162.869
2011  S Vettel Red Bull RB7 Renault 2.4 73.556 163.467
2017  K-M Räikkönen Ferrari SF70H Ferrari 1.6 72.178 166.438
2018  D Ricciardo Red Bull RB14 TAG Heuer 1.6 70.810 169.654
Notes
All records set by pole sitter except where marked FL (fastest race lap).
Breaks indicate changes in track layout.
Track changes
1950 3180m 1
1955 3145m 17
1972 3145m 1
1973 3278m 3
1976 3312m 10
1986 3328m 11
1997 3366m 1
1998 3367m 2
2000 3370m 3
2003 3340m 12
2015 3337m 4
It is possible, though unlikely, that a new track record could have been
set during a free practice session. Free practice began in the
mid-1970s, but full timings are not always known, and I haven't checked
the ones I do have.
Brian,
If I'm not very much mistaken ...
The lap record is now 1:14.260 set by Max Verstappen (2018).
The previous record was 1:14.820.
beers,
build
Fair point though, lap records are normally considered to be race records.

However, the F1 presentation showed "track record" captions during quali
so who are we to argue!
build
2018-05-29 15:59:23 UTC
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Dan Ricciardo set a new track record during Qualifying on Saturday.
Year Car Engine Time kph
====================================================================
1950  JM Fangio Alfa Romeo 158 Alfa Romeo 1.5 110.2 103.883
1956  JM Fangio Ferrari D50 Ferrari 2.5 104.0 108.865
1957  JM Fangio Maserati 250F Maserati 2.5 102.7 110.243
1958  CAS Brooks Vanwall Vanwall 2.5 99.8 113.446
1959  SC Moss Cooper T51 Climax 2.5 99.6 113.674
1960  SC Moss Lotus 18 Climax 2.5 96.3 117.570
1960  BL McLaren Cooper T53 Climax 2.5 96.2 117.700 FL
1962  J Clark Lotus 25 Climax 1.5 95.4 118.679
1963  J Clark Lotus 25 Climax 1.5 94.3 120.063
1964  J Clark Lotus 25 Climax 1.5 94.0 120.446
1964  NG Hill BRM P261 BRM 1.5 93.9 120.600 FL
1965  NG Hill BRM P261 BRM 1.5 92.5 122.400
1966  J Clark Lotus 33 Climax 2.0 89.9 125.939
1966  L Bandini Ferrari 246 Ferrari 2.4 89.8 126.080 FL
1967  JA Brabham Brabham BT19 Repco 3.0 87.6 129.246
1969  JY Stewart Matra MS80 Cosworth 3.0 84.6 133.829
1970  JY Stewart March 701 Cosworth 3.0 84.0 134.785
1970  K-J Rindt Lotus 49C Cosworth 3.0 83.2 136.100 FL
1971  JY Stewart Tyrrell 003 Cosworth 3.0 82.2 137.700 FL
1972  E Fittipaldi Lotus 72D Cosworth 3.0 81.4 139.090
1980  DJL Pironi Ligier JS11/15 Cosworth 3.0 84.813 140.582
1982  RA Arnoux Renault RE30B Renault 1.5 83.281 143.168
1984  AMP Prost McLaren MP4-2 TAG 1.5 82.661 144.242
1985  A Senna Lotus 97T Renault 1.5 80.450 148.206
1991  A Senna McLaren MP4-6 Honda 3.5 80.344 149.119
1992  NEJ Mansell Williams FW14B Renault 3.5 79.495 150.711
1994  M Schumacher Benetton B194 Ford Zetec 3.5 78.560 152.505
1997  H-H Frentzen Williams FW19 Renault 3.0 78.216 154.924
2001  DM Coulthard McLaren MP4-16 Mercedes 3.0 77.430 156.683
2002  JP Montoya Williams FW24 BMW 3.0 76.676 158.224
2003  R Schumacher Williams FW25 BMW 3.0 75.259 159.768
2003  K-M Räikkönen McLaren MP4-17D Mercedes 3.0 74.545 161.298 FL
2004  J Trulli Renault R24 Renault 3.0 73.985 162.519
2006  F Alonso Renault R26 Renault 2.4 73.962 162.569
2010  MA Webber Red Bull RB6 Renault 2.4 73.826 162.869
2011  S Vettel Red Bull RB7 Renault 2.4 73.556 163.467
2017  K-M Räikkönen Ferrari SF70H Ferrari 1.6 72.178 166.438
2018  D Ricciardo Red Bull RB14 TAG Heuer 1.6 70.810 169.654
Notes
All records set by pole sitter except where marked FL (fastest race lap).
Breaks indicate changes in track layout.
Track changes
1950 3180m 1
1955 3145m 17
1972 3145m 1
1973 3278m 3
1976 3312m 10
1986 3328m 11
1997 3366m 1
1998 3367m 2
2000 3370m 3
2003 3340m 12
2015 3337m 4
It is possible, though unlikely, that a new track record could have been
set during a free practice session. Free practice began in the
mid-1970s, but full timings are not always known, and I haven't checked
the ones I do have.
Brian,
If I'm not very much mistaken ...
The lap record is now 1:14.260 set by Max Verstappen (2018).
The previous record was 1:14.820.
beers,
build
Fair point though, lap records are normally considered to be race records.
However, the F1 presentation showed "track record" captions during quali
so who are we to argue!
Yeah, I noticed they referred to a lap record in FP. Was hoping Brian would discuss the various terms. I've always thought a non-race lap was called an "Outright (or similar) track record". I'm sure Brian will know.

The FIA list the lap record as 1:14.260.
Brian W Lawrence
2018-05-30 05:25:50 UTC
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Dan Ricciardo set a new track record during Qualifying on Saturday.
Brian,
If I'm not very much mistaken ...
The lap record is now 1:14.260 set by Max Verstappen (2018).
The previous record was 1:14.820.
Yes, 'lap records' are only set during the race. Both FOM and I
referred to 'track' records. 'Lap' records are also generally only
related to the current circuit layout, which for Monte Carlo is
only 4-years old (when it was shortened by 3 metres).
D Munz
2018-05-30 11:51:42 UTC
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Yes, 'lap records' are only set during the race. Both FOM and I
referred to 'track' records. 'Lap' records are also generally only
related to the current circuit layout, which for Monte Carlo is
only 4-years old (when it was shortened by 3 metres).
Really? "3 meters"?

I'm not being snarky, I'm genuinely curious. What on earth made them remove 3 meters of the overall track distance? And where was the cut?

TIA
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M2T
2018-05-30 12:05:44 UTC
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Yes, 'lap records' are only set during the race. Both FOM and I
referred to 'track' records. 'Lap' records are also generally only
related to the current circuit layout, which for Monte Carlo is
only 4-years old (when it was shortened by 3 metres).
Really? "3 meters"?
I'm not being snarky, I'm genuinely curious. What on earth made them remove 3 meters of the overall track distance? And where was the cut?
You'll find all the meters at Gasworks corner.
Brian W Lawrence
2018-05-30 13:39:03 UTC
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Yes, 'lap records' are only set during the race. Both FOM and I
referred to 'track' records. 'Lap' records are also generally only
related to the current circuit layout, which for Monte Carlo is
only 4-years old (when it was shortened by 3 metres).
Really? "3 meters"?
I'm not being snarky, I'm genuinely curious. What on earth made them remove
3 meters of the overall track distance? And where was the cut?
I posted a reply a few moments ago, which disappeared without trace. I'm
rewriting it:

Well no one decided to shorten it deliberately. All of the circuit is
public roads and is subject to the local authorities decisions about
'road works'. Basically the section between Tabac (turn 12) and L Chiron
(turn 13) was moved about 2.5m to the left. I assume to the left means
towards the harbour, so I'm guessing the harbour wall was refurbished.

I guess the distance from the chicane to Tabac was about 2.5m shorter,
and when the circuit was remeasured it was 3337 metres, and had been
3340 from 2003-14.
Mark Jackson
2018-05-30 14:55:15 UTC
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Yes, 'lap records' are only set during the race. Both FOM and I
referred to 'track' records. 'Lap' records are also generally
only related to the current circuit layout, which for Monte Carlo
is only 4-years old (when it was shortened by 3 metres).
Really? "3 meters"?
I'm not being snarky, I'm genuinely curious. What on earth made
them remove 3 meters of the overall track distance? And where was
the cut?
Well no one decided to shorten it deliberately. All of the circuit is
public roads and is subject to the local authorities decisions
about 'road works'. Basically the section between Tabac (turn 12) and
L Chiron (turn 13) was moved about 2.5m to the left. I assume to the
left means towards the harbour, so I'm guessing the harbour wall was
refurbished.
I guess the distance from the chicane to Tabac was about 2.5m
shorter, and when the circuit was remeasured it was 3337 metres, and
had been 3340 from 2003-14.
The very subtle change is visible when comparing the "2004-14" and
"2015 to date" views at

http://www.racingcircuits.info/europe/monaco/monte-carlo/#.Ww66ooopCwU
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Mark, I like your quote "tag".

I think it was also Galbraith who wrote:

"The biggest coup ever pulled off has been to convince people that
the problem with the poor is that they get too much, and that
the problem with the rich is that they do not get enough."
Bruce Hoult
2018-05-31 00:23:08 UTC
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Dan Ricciardo set a new track record during Qualifying on Saturday.
Brian,
If I'm not very much mistaken ...
The lap record is now 1:14.260 set by Max Verstappen (2018).
The previous record was 1:14.820.
Yes, 'lap records' are only set during the race. Both FOM and I
referred to 'track' records. 'Lap' records are also generally only
related to the current circuit layout, which for Monte Carlo is
only 4-years old (when it was shortened by 3 metres).
That's likely to be worth less than a tenth.

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