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Saward on Vettel
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Sir Tim
2017-06-28 21:56:07 UTC
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Joe Saward, a well respected journalist who has attended every GP since
1988, has this to say:

"The race in Baku was, of course, quite a controversial one and I have
to say that I was utterly amazed when Sebastian Vettel was not given a
more serious penalty for deliberately driving into Lewis Hamilton. There
is no question that he lost his temper, having run into the back of the
Mercedes. He pulled out and petulantly drove into Lewis.

"If I had been the steward I would have given him a one race ban for
such behaviour. That was what was merited. It does not matter that it
was not a huge hit, what matters was the intention. He is a four-time
World Champion, an ambassador for the sport (although in truth he
doesn’t do much away from the race tracks), a role model for youngsters
and he really ought to be able to control himself. We have seen this
before. Last year in Mexico he called FIA Race Director Charlie Whiting
a lot of very rude names when he didn’t get what he wanted and was lucky
to get away with only having to apologise. But this was worse… Not
punishing such an action completely undermines the FIA’s road safety
initiatives. Tens of millions of people watched Vettel do what he did
and the FIA’s lack of reaction."
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Sir Tim

“Growing old is mandatory; growing up is optional”
News
2017-06-28 22:03:20 UTC
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Post by Sir Tim
Joe Saward, a well respected journalist who has attended every GP since
"The race in Baku was, of course, quite a controversial one and I have
to say that I was utterly amazed when Sebastian Vettel was not given a
more serious penalty for deliberately driving into Lewis Hamilton. There
is no question that he lost his temper, having run into the back of the
Mercedes. He pulled out and petulantly drove into Lewis.
"If I had been the steward I would have given him a one race ban for
such behaviour. That was what was merited. It does not matter that it
was not a huge hit, what matters was the intention. He is a four-time
World Champion, an ambassador for the sport (although in truth he
doesn’t do much away from the race tracks), a role model for youngsters
and he really ought to be able to control himself. We have seen this
before. Last year in Mexico he called FIA Race Director Charlie Whiting
a lot of very rude names when he didn’t get what he wanted and was lucky
to get away with only having to apologise. But this was worse… Not
punishing such an action completely undermines the FIA’s road safety
initiatives. Tens of millions of people watched Vettel do what he did
and the FIA’s lack of reaction."
Uh-huh. Remind us, Seaweed is on whose off-the-books payroll?
larkim
2017-06-29 09:15:45 UTC
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Post by Sir Tim
Joe Saward, a well respected journalist who has attended every GP since
"The race in Baku was, of course, quite a controversial one and I have
to say that I was utterly amazed when Sebastian Vettel was not given a
more serious penalty for deliberately driving into Lewis Hamilton. There
is no question that he lost his temper, having run into the back of the
Mercedes. He pulled out and petulantly drove into Lewis.
"If I had been the steward I would have given him a one race ban for
such behaviour. That was what was merited. It does not matter that it
was not a huge hit, what matters was the intention. He is a four-time
World Champion, an ambassador for the sport (although in truth he
doesn’t do much away from the race tracks), a role model for youngsters
and he really ought to be able to control himself. We have seen this
before. Last year in Mexico he called FIA Race Director Charlie Whiting
a lot of very rude names when he didn’t get what he wanted and was lucky
to get away with only having to apologise. But this was worse… Not
punishing such an action completely undermines the FIA’s road safety
initiatives. Tens of millions of people watched Vettel do what he did
and the FIA’s lack of reaction."
Uh-huh. Remind us, Seaweed is on whose off-the-books payroll?
Remind me, I'm unaware (honestly, no sarcasm - I don't follow journalism /
blogger politics etc).
Sir Tim
2017-06-29 11:51:54 UTC
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Uh-huh. Remind us, Seaweed is on whose off-the-books payroll?
No idea, but if you know about I doubt it is "off the books".
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Sir Tim
~misfit~
2017-06-29 08:43:01 UTC
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Joe Saward, a well respected journalist who has attended every GP
"The race in Baku was, of course, quite a controversial one and I have
to say that I was utterly amazed when Sebastian Vettel was not given a
more serious penalty for deliberately driving into Lewis Hamilton.
There is no question that he lost his temper, having run into the
back of the Mercedes. He pulled out and petulantly drove into Lewis.
"If I had been the steward I would have given him a one race ban for
such behaviour. That was what was merited. It does not matter that it
was not a huge hit, what matters was the intention. He is a four-time
World Champion, an ambassador for the sport (although in truth he
doesn't do much away from the race tracks), a role model for
youngsters and he really ought to be able to control himself. We have
seen this before. Last year in Mexico he called FIA Race Director
Charlie Whiting a lot of very rude names when he didn't get what he
wanted and was lucky to get away with only having to apologise. But
this was worse. Not punishing such an action completely undermines
the FIA's road safety initiatives. Tens of millions of people watched
Vettel do what he did and the FIA's lack of reaction."
My PoV is that what we saw in Baku and last year in Mexico (and in Turkey
when he drove into Webber) is the /real/ Vettel, as he gets older he's
having more trouble playing the part of a decent bloke.
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Shaun.

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Willsy
2017-06-29 08:56:56 UTC
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Post by Sir Tim
Joe Saward, a well respected journalist who has attended every GP
"The race in Baku was, of course, quite a controversial one and I have
to say that I was utterly amazed when Sebastian Vettel was not given a
more serious penalty for deliberately driving into Lewis Hamilton.
There is no question that he lost his temper, having run into the
back of the Mercedes. He pulled out and petulantly drove into Lewis.
"If I had been the steward I would have given him a one race ban for
such behaviour. That was what was merited. It does not matter that it
was not a huge hit, what matters was the intention. He is a four-time
World Champion, an ambassador for the sport (although in truth he
doesn't do much away from the race tracks), a role model for
youngsters and he really ought to be able to control himself. We have
seen this before. Last year in Mexico he called FIA Race Director
Charlie Whiting a lot of very rude names when he didn't get what he
wanted and was lucky to get away with only having to apologise. But
this was worse. Not punishing such an action completely undermines
the FIA's road safety initiatives. Tens of millions of people watched
Vettel do what he did and the FIA's lack of reaction."
My PoV is that what we saw in Baku and last year in Mexico (and in Turkey
when he drove into Webber) is the /real/ Vettel, as he gets older he's
having more trouble playing the part of a decent bloke.
--
Shaun.
Agree. With apologies in advance for the profanity, but he was a total
cunt to Webber. That's the only suitable adjective I can muster right now.
Cooper T53
2017-06-29 16:36:03 UTC
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"If I had been the steward I would have given him a one race ban for
such behaviour. That was what was merited. It does not matter that it
was not a huge hit, what matters was the intention. He is a four-time
World Champion, an ambassador for the sport (although in truth he
doesn’t do much away from the race tracks), a role model for youngsters
and he really ought to be able to control himself. We have seen this
before. Last year in Mexico he called FIA Race Director Charlie Whiting
a lot of very rude names when he didn’t get what he wanted and was lucky
to get away with only having to apologise. But this was worse… Not
punishing such an action completely undermines the FIA’s road safety
initiatives. Tens of millions of people watched Vettel do what he did
and the FIA’s lack of reaction."
This. Exactly my thoughts.

VET = MSC

C
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2017-07-03 20:35:03 UTC
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Post by Sir Tim
"If I had been the steward I would have given him a one race ban for
such behaviour. That was what was merited. It does not matter that it
was not a huge hit, what matters was the intention. He is a four-time
World Champion, an ambassador for the sport (although in truth he
doesn’t do much away from the race tracks), a role model for youngsters
and he really ought to be able to control himself. We have seen this
before. Last year in Mexico he called FIA Race Director Charlie Whiting
a lot of very rude names when he didn’t get what he wanted and was lucky
to get away with only having to apologise. But this was worse… Not
punishing such an action completely undermines the FIA’s road safety
initiatives. Tens of millions of people watched Vettel do what he did
and the FIA’s lack of reaction."
This. Exactly my thoughts.
VET = MSC
C
Gay-Michael was far worse, and you know.

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