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Alonso quicker than Hamilton in P2
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Sir Tim
2017-09-29 08:48:01 UTC
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Both on supersofts although we don't know the fuel loads of course. Also
Lewis was held up and the session was stopped prematurely after Bottas
lifted a drain cover and Grosjean hit it!

Nevertheless, Alonso must be wondering whether Honda are coming good just
at the moment that McLaren have finally decided to part company with them.

The switch to Renault is going to leave McLaren very short of time. Scarbs
analyses the situation here:

http://www.gpupdate.net/en/f1-news/358880/technical-mclaren-s-switch-to-renault-pus/
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alister
2017-09-29 08:51:42 UTC
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Both on supersofts although we don't know the fuel loads of course. Also
Lewis was held up and the session was stopped prematurely after Bottas
lifted a drain cover and Grosjean hit it!
Nevertheless, Alonso must be wondering whether Honda are coming good
just at the moment that McLaren have finally decided to part company
with them.
The switch to Renault is going to leave McLaren very short of time.
http://www.gpupdate.net/en/f1-news/358880/technical-mclaren-s-switch-to-
renault-pus/

I would not read much into this.
Ham often seems to be of the pace in FP1 this season
in most cases he does not seem to have "come on song" until Q3
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Sir Tim
2017-09-29 09:51:32 UTC
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Both on supersofts although we don't know the fuel loads of course. Also
Lewis was held up and the session was stopped prematurely after Bottas
lifted a drain cover and Grosjean hit it!
Nevertheless, Alonso must be wondering whether Honda are coming good
just at the moment that McLaren have finally decided to part company
with them.
The switch to Renault is going to leave McLaren very short of time.
http://www.gpupdate.net/en/f1-news/358880/technical-mclaren-s-switch-to-
renault-pus/
I would not read much into this.
Ham often seems to be of the pace in FP1 this season
in most cases he does not seem to have "come on song" until Q3
Hope you are right, I have a nasty feeling about this one.
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alister
2017-09-30 18:50:22 UTC
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Both on supersofts although we don't know the fuel loads of course.
Also Lewis was held up and the session was stopped prematurely after
Bottas lifted a drain cover and Grosjean hit it!
Nevertheless, Alonso must be wondering whether Honda are coming good
just at the moment that McLaren have finally decided to part company
with them.
The switch to Renault is going to leave McLaren very short of time.
http://www.gpupdate.net/en/f1-news/358880/technical-mclaren-s-switch-
to-
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renault-pus/
I would not read much into this.
Ham often seems to be of the pace in FP1 this season in most cases he
does not seem to have "come on song" until Q3
Hope you are right, I have a nasty feeling about this one.
I am surprised he managed pole as well, he must have been giggling like a
school girl all the way around

looks like the fuckup fairy has decided to change base this season
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Edmund
2017-09-29 09:34:43 UTC
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Both on supersofts although we don't know the fuel loads of course. Also
Lewis was held up and the session was stopped prematurely after Bottas
lifted a drain cover and Grosjean hit it!
Nevertheless, Alonso must be wondering whether Honda are coming good just
at the moment that McLaren have finally decided to part company with them.
First, the japanese jokers club wouldn't have spent an additional billion if they
would not have been sacked by McLaren.
Second, I have to see if they produce a better PU then Renault next year, I doubt it
no matter how much money they spent in their excuses factory.
Lets see how many more years they delay the introduction of their repeatedly delayed
Spec 3.8 version.

Edmund
Alan Baker
2017-09-29 20:38:26 UTC
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Post by Sir Tim
Both on supersofts although we don't know the fuel loads of course. Also
Lewis was held up and the session was stopped prematurely after Bottas
lifted a drain cover and Grosjean hit it!
Nevertheless, Alonso must be wondering whether Honda are coming good just
at the moment that McLaren have finally decided to part company with them.
First, the japanese jokers club wouldn't have spent an additional billion if they
would not have been sacked by McLaren.
Second, I have to see if they produce a better PU then Renault next year, I doubt it
no matter how much money they spent in their excuses factory.
Lets see how many more years they delay the introduction of their repeatedly delayed
Spec 3.8 version.
Edmund
What the hell is your problem with Honda?

Seriously?
Naked Fame
2017-09-29 20:46:34 UTC
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What the hell is your problem with Honda?
Ha-ha; someone hasn't followed Formula 1 in a decade or two. >:-D
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Seriously?
Seriously.
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Edmund
2017-09-29 21:29:05 UTC
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Both on supersofts although we don't know the fuel loads of course. Also
Lewis was held up and the session was stopped prematurely after Bottas
lifted a drain cover and Grosjean hit it!
Nevertheless, Alonso must be wondering whether Honda are coming good just
at the moment that McLaren have finally decided to part company with them.
First, the japanese jokers club wouldn't have spent an additional billion if they
would not have been sacked by McLaren.
Second, I have to see if they produce a better PU then Renault next year, I doubt it
no matter how much money they spent in their excuses factory.
Lets see how many more years they delay the introduction of their repeatedly delayed
Spec 3.8 version.
Edmund
What the hell is your problem with Honda?
Seriously?
Make a wild guess.

Edmund
Alan Baker
2017-09-29 21:55:57 UTC
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Both on supersofts although we don't know the fuel loads of course. Also
Lewis was held up and the session was stopped prematurely after Bottas
lifted a drain cover and Grosjean hit it!
Nevertheless, Alonso must be wondering whether Honda are coming good just
at the moment that McLaren have finally decided to part company with them.
First, the japanese jokers club wouldn't have spent an additional billion if they
would not have been sacked by McLaren.
Second, I have to see if they produce a better PU then Renault next year, I doubt it
no matter how much money they spent in their excuses factory.
Lets see how many more years they delay the introduction of their repeatedly delayed
Spec 3.8 version.
Edmund
What the hell is your problem with Honda?
Seriously?
Make a wild guess.
Edmund
Nope.

Why don't you just explain?
Edmund
2017-09-30 12:54:16 UTC
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Both on supersofts although we don't know the fuel loads of course.
Also Lewis was held up and the session was stopped prematurely after
Bottas lifted a drain cover and Grosjean hit it!
Nevertheless, Alonso must be wondering whether Honda are coming good
just at the moment that McLaren have finally decided to part company
with them.
First, the japanese jokers club wouldn't have spent an additional
billion if they would not have been sacked by McLaren.
Second, I have to see if they produce a better PU then Renault next
year, I doubt it no matter how much money they spent in their excuses
factory.
Lets see how many more years they delay the introduction of their
repeatedly delayed Spec 3.8 version.
Edmund
What the hell is your problem with Honda?
Seriously?
Make a wild guess.
Edmund
Nope.
Why don't you just explain?
Well I think it is pretty obvious.
They started by bragging that they would challenge Mercedes from
the very first race in their return, I remember them saying :
“never underestimate the technology of Honda”
Some facts :
Honda has about 50 years racing experience
Honda has probably the best facilities in the world
Honda has a huge financial recourses
Honda has a an incredible amount of engineers ( I suppose )
Results:
They specially made chassis to test in 2014
It could NOT complete 4 laps ( about ) in the post season test.
They had 3 years of unprecedented failures; so called fixes that
never ever worked. They are unable to test anything they are unable
to fix anything and still have the same problems as in 2015.
Now they aiming to come close to the weakest PU apart from their own.
Now they try to blame McLaren for their unspeakable incompetence.
This to just name a few things I don’t like about Honda.

Edmund
Alan Baker
2017-10-01 22:23:52 UTC
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Both on supersofts although we don't know the fuel loads of course.
Also Lewis was held up and the session was stopped prematurely after
Bottas lifted a drain cover and Grosjean hit it!
Nevertheless, Alonso must be wondering whether Honda are coming good
just at the moment that McLaren have finally decided to part company
with them.
First, the japanese jokers club wouldn't have spent an additional
billion if they would not have been sacked by McLaren.
Second, I have to see if they produce a better PU then Renault next
year, I doubt it no matter how much money they spent in their excuses
factory.
Lets see how many more years they delay the introduction of their
repeatedly delayed Spec 3.8 version.
Edmund
What the hell is your problem with Honda?
Seriously?
Make a wild guess.
Edmund
Nope.
Why don't you just explain?
Well I think it is pretty obvious.
If it actually was, I wouldn't have asked.
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They started by bragging that they would challenge Mercedes from
“never underestimate the technology of Honda”
Provide a cite, please.
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Honda has about 50 years racing experience
Yeah.
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Honda has probably the best facilities in the world
Probably.
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Honda has a huge financial recourses
Yup.
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Honda has a an incredible amount of engineers ( I suppose )
Probably.
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They specially made chassis to test in 2014
I'd like to see the source for that claim.
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It could NOT complete 4 laps ( about ) in the post season test.
They had 3 years of unprecedented failures; so called fixes that
never ever worked. They are unable to test anything they are unable
to fix anything and still have the same problems as in 2015.
Now they aiming to come close to the weakest PU apart from their own.
Now they try to blame McLaren for their unspeakable incompetence.
This to just name a few things I don’t like about Honda.
So a company found producing something harder than they thought.

Why do you take it so personally?
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Edmund
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2017-09-30 04:00:15 UTC
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Both on supersofts although we don't know the fuel loads of course. Also
Lewis was held up and the session was stopped prematurely after Bottas
lifted a drain cover and Grosjean hit it!
Nevertheless, Alonso must be wondering whether Honda are coming good just
at the moment that McLaren have finally decided to part company with them.
First, the japanese jokers club wouldn't have spent an additional billion if they
would not have been sacked by McLaren.
Second, I have to see if they produce a better PU then Renault next year, I doubt it
no matter how much money they spent in their excuses factory.
Lets see how many more years they delay the introduction of their repeatedly delayed
Spec 3.8 version.
Edmund
What the hell is your problem with Honda?
Seriously?
Come on... what are reasonable expectations given what Honda have delivered this year? I wouldn't go on as relentlessly as Edmund, but I am not expecting great things from them any time soon.
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2017-09-30 03:58:30 UTC
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Nevertheless, Alonso must be wondering whether Honda are coming good just
at the moment that McLaren have finally decided to part company with them.
Unlikely. The last new PU he took was in Italy. Any new components know will see him starting this race from south of the Equator. Van Doorne took a new PU (and penalties) at the same race. Both were down on power there. They qualified well on a circuit where power confers less of an advantage, and Alonso made a good start - more about him than about the car - before getting taken out. Van Doorne finished 7th, but that was after 4 cars went out early - if he'd just held place he'd have finished 5th.

Alonso is running a new aero package this weekend.
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