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Chequered flag shambles - compare with athletics
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m***@yahoo.co.uk
2018-06-10 21:21:19 UTC
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Re the chequered flag shambles in Canada which brought about a weird race distance outcome.

Compare with the more straightforward athletics - if the lap counter or an official ends the race 1 lap early in error, the race simply then continues, and if anyone prematurely stops and is overtaken, too bad.

Steve Binns - British athlete (and Arturo Barrios of Mexico etc), 1987 world championships in the 10,000 metres? Just me then.

Lapped runners caused confusion, some were shown 1 lap to go when there were 2 to go etc, and so stopped in error on the next lap, having to then re-start and run 1 `more' lap round.

See here, the 2nd half of that race, the initial confusion starts at 24 minutes into the race with 3 laps to go and continues from there -


The moral in both sports of course - find officials who can count properly - not difficult you would think.
News
2018-06-10 21:36:32 UTC
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Re the chequered flag shambles in Canada which brought about a weird race distance outcome.
Compare with the more straightforward athletics - if the lap counter or an official ends the race 1 lap early in error, the race simply then continues, and if anyone prematurely stops and is overtaken, too bad.
Steve Binns - British athlete (and Arturo Barrios of Mexico etc), 1987 world championships in the 10,000 metres? Just me then.
Lapped runners caused confusion, some were shown 1 lap to go when there were 2 to go etc, and so stopped in error on the next lap, having to then re-start and run 1 `more' lap round.
See here, the 2nd half of that race, the initial confusion starts at 24 minutes into the race with 3 laps to go and continues from there - http://youtu.be/-LxNT23bnIc
The moral in both sports of course - find officials who can count properly - not difficult you would think.
Coincidental it was a FOH, who was struggling to get by VER, and ahd he,
would still lead the WDC?
larkim
2018-06-10 23:03:57 UTC
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FOH?
bra
2018-06-10 23:09:53 UTC
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FOH?
Apparently Ferdinand Olivier Hamilton ------?
larkim
2018-06-10 23:20:10 UTC
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Ah yes, FOH who was following VER.

Unrelated to HAM trying to get past RIC then?
Sir Tim
2018-06-11 07:13:28 UTC
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Re the chequered flag shambles in Canada which brought about a weird
race distance outcome.
Compare with the more straightforward athletics - if the lap counter or
an official ends the race 1 lap early in error, the race simply then
continues, and if anyone prematurely stops and is overtaken, too bad.
Steve Binns - British athlete (and Arturo Barrios of Mexico etc), 1987
world championships in the 10,000 metres? Just me then.
Lapped runners caused confusion, some were shown 1 lap to go when there
were 2 to go etc, and so stopped in error on the next lap, having to
then re-start and run 1 `more' lap round.
See here, the 2nd half of that race, the initial confusion starts at 24
minutes into the race with 3 laps to go and continues from there -
http://youtu.be/-LxNT23bnIc
The moral in both sports of course - find officials who can count
properly - not difficult you would think.
Coincidental it was a FOH, who was struggling to get by VER, and ahd he,
would still lead the WDC?
It looks like you had been drinking when you posted this (perhaps to
celebrate the fact that Lewis didn’t win?)
HAM was struggling to get past RIC, had he done so before the end of lap 68
he would still lead the WDC (the result was backdated as happens when a
race is stopped). That is as I understand it anyhow.
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Sir Tim
bra
2018-06-10 22:02:46 UTC
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Re the chequered flag shambles in Canada which brought about a weird race distance outcome.
I recall an AMA Superbike race in the Sates, in which several European WSB riders were competing. The leader (an Italian rider, I forget) hurtled past the line and saw a [white] flag being brandished, and slowed down. As a newcomer to North America he had never seen a "last-lap-starting" white flag before, and the pack overtook him before he realized what was up.
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2018-06-11 03:05:23 UTC
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Re the chequered flag shambles in Canada which brought about a weird race distance outcome.
This is what happens when you give the flag to a person to wave whose only
'qualification' is being 'un-ugly' (though I thought she was un-attractive).
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Shaun.

"Humans will have advanced a long, long way when religious belief has a cozy
little classification in the DSM*."
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(*Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders)
geoff
2018-06-11 04:36:30 UTC
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Re the chequered flag shambles in Canada which brought about a weird
race distance outcome.
This is what happens when you give the flag to a person to wave whose only
'qualification' is being 'un-ugly' (though I thought she was un-attractive).
I understood that it was an official who stuffed up - she didn't just
decide to wave the flag on her own initiative.

geoff
Bigbird
2018-06-11 05:17:54 UTC
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Re the chequered flag shambles in Canada which brought about a weird
race distance outcome.
This is what happens when you give the flag to a person to wave whose
only 'qualification' is being 'un-ugly' (though I thought she was
un-attractive).
judgemental much
~misfit~
2018-06-11 08:03:02 UTC
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Re the chequered flag shambles in Canada which brought about a weird
race distance outcome.
This is what happens when you give the flag to a person to wave whose
only 'qualification' is being 'un-ugly' (though I thought she was
un-attractive).
judgemental much
Yep. I should have known better. It's the clowns running the circus (or so
they want us to believe).

So Charlie made his statement that the Ferrari has been tested over two
races and they didn't find any misuse of the double battery system *in that
time*. Two races in which Ferrari only scored one second place. Now the FIA
have packed up their sensors and magnifying glasses and left the Ferrari
garage (saying that Ferrari will fix it sometime in the future so that it
can be properly metered, when they feel like it) suddenly the red car is
fastest, kindest on its tyres and fuel. Bloody clowns.
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Shaun.

"Humans will have advanced a long, long way when religious belief has a cozy
little classification in the DSM*."
David Melville (in r.a.s.f1)
(*Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders)
Bigbird
2018-06-11 10:41:54 UTC
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Re the chequered flag shambles in Canada which brought about a
weird race distance outcome.
This is what happens when you give the flag to a person to wave
whose only 'qualification' is being 'un-ugly' (though I thought
she was un-attractive).
judgemental much
Yep. I should have known better. It's the clowns running the circus
(or so they want us to believe).
I wasn't referring just to the 'blame'.
~misfit~
2018-06-11 14:29:51 UTC
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Re the chequered flag shambles in Canada which brought about a
weird race distance outcome.
This is what happens when you give the flag to a person to wave
whose only 'qualification' is being 'un-ugly' (though I thought
she was un-attractive).
judgemental much
Yep. I should have known better. It's the clowns running the circus
(or so they want us to believe).
I wasn't referring just to the 'blame'.
Whatever makes you feel good dude.
--
Shaun.

"Humans will have advanced a long, long way when religious belief has a cozy
little classification in the DSM*."
David Melville (in r.a.s.f1)
(*Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders)
Sir Tim
2018-06-11 07:13:28 UTC
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Re the chequered flag shambles in Canada which brought about a weird
race distance outcome.
This is what happens when you give the flag to a person to wave whose only
'qualification' is being 'un-ugly' (though I thought she was un-attractive).
I believe the lady in question is a long time friend of Hamilton’s. How
popular would she have been if Lewis had managed to get past Dan on lap 69?
(of course someone presumably *told* her to wave the flag).
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Sir Tim
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2018-06-11 07:55:39 UTC
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Re the chequered flag shambles in Canada which brought about a weird
race distance outcome.
This is what happens when you give the flag to a person to wave
whose only 'qualification' is being 'un-ugly' (though I thought she
was un-attractive).
I believe the lady in question is a long time friend of Hamilton's.
How popular would she have been if Lewis had managed to get past Dan
on lap 69? (of course someone presumably *told* her to wave the flag).
Well, 'long time' relatively. Not from his Stevenage days that's for sure,
rather from his 'celebrity' days. Yeah I heard the Sky mouths mention that
during the race when they cut to her watching the race - denying their
viewers the viewers the opportunity to watch the race at that time.
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Shaun.

"Humans will have advanced a long, long way when religious belief has a cozy
little classification in the DSM*."
David Melville (in r.a.s.f1)
(*Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders)
t***@gmail.com
2018-06-11 15:44:07 UTC
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Yeah I heard the Sky mouths mention that
during the race
Your pirated race. Thief. Loser.
FB
2018-06-11 19:53:26 UTC
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Re the chequered flag shambles in Canada which brought about a weird
race distance outcome.
This is what happens when you give the flag to a person to wave whose only
'qualification' is being 'un-ugly' (though I thought she was
un-attractive).
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Shaun.
un-ugly?... sheŽs fugly!
(but the politically correct clowns will deny it)

FB
Bigbird
2018-06-12 06:26:14 UTC
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Re the chequered flag shambles in Canada which brought about a
weird race distance outcome.
This is what happens when you give the flag to a person to wave
whose only 'qualification' is being 'un-ugly' (though I thought
she was un-attractive). -- Shaun.
un-ugly?... she´s fugly!
(but the politically correct clowns will deny it)
Is the problem what other people think or that you feel the need to
verbalise just because she is a) female and b) a "celebrity".

I don't see where PC comes into it.

You'd still "grab her pussy", right?

Clearly, you are the fucking clown.
FB
2018-06-12 19:39:17 UTC
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Is the problem what other people think or that you feel the need to
verbalise just because she is a) female and b) a "celebrity".
I don't see where PC comes into it.
You'd still "grab her pussy", right?
Clearly, you are the fucking clown.
no, it was just stating the fact that this person is ugly...

BTW, what did this "supermodel, activist" bring to the sport?

FB
Alan Baker
2018-06-12 19:43:42 UTC
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Is the problem what other people think or that you feel the need to
verbalise just because she is a) female and b) a "celebrity".
I don't see where PC comes into it.
You'd still "grab her pussy", right?
Clearly, you are the fucking clown.
no, it was just stating the fact that this person is ugly...
She isn't ugly, so I'll just state the "fact" that you're a blind
ignorant twit.

How's that? :-)
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BTW, what did this "supermodel, activist" bring to the sport?
What did lots and lots and lots of celebrities who've hung out around F1
for half a century bring?
bra
2018-06-12 20:28:57 UTC
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no, it was just stating the fact that this person is ugly...
'THIS PERSON IS UGLY' ---- you are a real bottom 1% aren't you?

If I write BASEBALL IS STUPID, I trust you can perceive the nullity of your remark; but your sexist racism, sadly, will not be touched.
Bigbird
2018-06-12 20:43:35 UTC
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"FatChicken"
Oh, that's very good. That pretty much confirms what I was thinking
about you.
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Is the problem what other people think or that you feel the need to
verbalise just because she is a) female and b) a "celebrity".
I don't see where PC comes into it.
You'd still "grab her pussy", right?
Clearly, you are the fucking clown.
no, it was just stating the fact that this person is ugly...
It is not a fact it is a subjective opinion. What is truly ugly is your
attitude to women.

So when you walk down the road with your daughter it's fine for people
to state that she is one ugly fucker?

What did you think of Ricciardo's mum? What's the "fact" on her.
BTW, what did this "supermodel, activist" bring to the sport?
Nothing for me but the same is true of nearly all of the scores of
celebrities, family and hangers on that are paraded in the paddock,
pitlane and grid.

WTF does your opinion of her looks bring to this group?
Calum
2018-06-12 11:24:20 UTC
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Re the chequered flag shambles in Canada which brought about a weird
race distance outcome.
This is what happens when you give the flag to a person to wave whose only
'qualification' is being 'un-ugly' (though I thought she was
un-attractive).
--
Shaun.
un-ugly?... she´s fugly!
She's a fashion model. Fashion models are rarely conventionally
attractive, their main purpose is to be whatever shape is fashionable
that year.
bra
2018-06-12 15:47:12 UTC
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un-ugly?... she´s fugly!
Calum, ask FIA to mandate white people for all official duties.
build
2018-06-11 20:23:53 UTC
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Re the chequered flag shambles in Canada which brought about a weird
race distance outcome.
This is what happens when you give the flag to a person to wave whose only
'qualification' is being 'un-ugly' (though I thought she was un-attractive).
--
Shaun.
Will Buxton has a message for you, at about 6min30secs:

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2018-06-11 20:47:12 UTC
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Re the chequered flag shambles in Canada which brought about a weird
race distance outcome.
This is what happens when you give the flag to a person to wave whose only
'qualification' is being 'un-ugly' (though I thought she was un-attractive).
--
Shaun.
http://youtu.be/x30A0f_j6W4
Here are a couple ways of posting that.
http://youtu.be/x30A0f_j6W4
or
http://youtu.be/x30A0f_j6W4
build
2018-06-11 20:57:24 UTC
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Re the chequered flag shambles in Canada which brought about a weird
race distance outcome.
This is what happens when you give the flag to a person to wave whose only
'qualification' is being 'un-ugly' (though I thought she was un-attractive).
--
Shaun.
http://youtu.be/x30A0f_j6W4
Here are a couple ways of posting that.
http://youtu.be/x30A0f_j6W4
or
http://youtu.be/x30A0f_j6W4
Cool. Thank you.
t***@gmail.com
2018-06-12 04:06:26 UTC
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Cool.
lol
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2018-06-12 04:08:44 UTC
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Re the chequered flag shambles in Canada which brought about a weird
race distance outcome.
This is what happens when you give the flag to a person to wave
whose only 'qualification' is being 'un-ugly' (though I thought she
was un-attractive). --
Shaun.
http://youtu.be/x30A0f_j6W4
Yeah yeah.

I still dislike the whole "get a bimbo to wave the flag - but we can't have
them on the grid!!" I'll bet your testicles that it wouldn't have happened
if it were an FIA official waving the flag. Getting someone unfamiliar with
the process to do it introduces too many chances for errors - as we found
out. I mean you need to get her there around the right time, then you need
to hand her the flag, then tell her which car to wave it for. Too much
critical communication in a tiny crowded and noisy box overlooking 300kmph
cars.

Better to let an official do the damn job and keep the eye-candy and star
power <cough> on the grid where it belongs.
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Shaun.

"Humans will have advanced a long, long way when religious belief has a cozy
little classification in the DSM*."
David Melville (in r.a.s.f1)
(*Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders)
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2018-06-12 04:14:13 UTC
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I'll bet your testicles
Fuck off fag fuck
larkim
2018-06-12 06:31:18 UTC
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From the official account it was the official on the stand who told her to wave the flag because they got a confused message about what lap it was.

So nothing to do with the celebrity nature of the flag waver, apparently.
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2018-06-12 06:50:08 UTC
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From the official account it was the official on the stand who told
her to wave the flag because they got a confused message about what
lap it was.
So nothing to do with the celebrity nature of the flag waver,
apparently.
So it was a coincidence? This wouldn't have happened if the guy whose job it
is to wave the flag had done it? Or does he (or she) make mistakes too?

Yea I know, hypothetical questions. ;) However as an intelligent person with
an analytical mind and, taking into account that F1 is now part of a media
company (who make money out of serving up dreams and fantasy) you'll have to
excuse me if I don't dutifully believe all that they say.

Cheers,
--
Shaun.

"Humans will have advanced a long, long way when religious belief has a cozy
little classification in the DSM*."
David Melville (in r.a.s.f1)
(*Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders)
larkim
2018-06-12 07:37:18 UTC
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From the official account it was the official on the stand who told
her to wave the flag because they got a confused message about what
lap it was.
So nothing to do with the celebrity nature of the flag waver, apparently.
So it was a coincidence? This wouldn't have happened if the guy whose job it
is to wave the flag had done it? Or does he (or she) make mistakes too?
Yea I know, hypothetical questions. ;) However as an intelligent person with
an analytical mind and, taking into account that F1 is now part of a media
company (who make money out of serving up dreams and fantasy) you'll have to
excuse me if I don't dutifully believe all that they say.
Cheers,
--
Shaun.
"Humans will have advanced a long, long way when religious belief has a cozy
little classification in the DSM*."
David Melville (in r.a.s.f1)
(*Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders)
You watched the coverage right? You saw the fact that the officials in the
gantry with her *weren't* frantically trying to wrest the flag out of her
hands to stop her crazily waving the flag when she wasn't supposed to?

I knew about the flag debacle before I watched the coverage, and it was
plain to me that what I was seeing was a cockup made by the officials and
not by the celeb - and that was confirmed by the official reports.

If you want a narrative that celebs damage the sport, then clearly your
version of it (including a cover up) make sense. But I think that is
the narrative leading the facts, rather than the other way round I think.
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2018-06-12 11:06:57 UTC
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From the official account it was the official on the stand who told
her to wave the flag because they got a confused message about what
lap it was.
So nothing to do with the celebrity nature of the flag waver, apparently.
So it was a coincidence? This wouldn't have happened if the guy
whose job it is to wave the flag had done it? Or does he (or she)
make mistakes too?
Yea I know, hypothetical questions. ;) However as an intelligent
person with an analytical mind and, taking into account that F1 is
now part of a media company (who make money out of serving up dreams
and fantasy) you'll have to excuse me if I don't dutifully believe
all that they say.
Cheers,
--
Shaun.
You watched the coverage right? You saw the fact that the officials
in the gantry with her *weren't* frantically trying to wrest the flag
out of her hands to stop her crazily waving the flag when she wasn't
supposed to?
The damage was done. Being seen to admit error is the absolute worst thing
you can do because then you can't re-write the narrative. Also as I
mentioned (or conceded) the fault may not have been hers but this sort of
thing doeasn't happen when there isn't a celeb waving the flag.
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I knew about the flag debacle before I watched the coverage, and it
was plain to me that what I was seeing was a cockup made by the
officials and not by the celeb - and that was confirmed by the
official reports.
"Official reports". I like it. When Formula 1 became the property of a media
company it became *solely* entertainent. Some media content has the script
written during and after the show. What you call an official report I call
an amendment to the script.

You know that now the FIA has investigated the Ferrari double-battery system
and made their report it's business as usual for the red team right? They've
undertaken to change the complex rule-bending system at their next re-design
(maybe next year). Oh and in the meantime they promise to not use it to
cheat (again?) even though it's eminently possible.
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If you want a narrative that celebs damage the sport, then clearly
your version of it (including a cover up) make sense. But I think
that is
the narrative leading the facts, rather than the other way round I think.
Fair enough.
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Shaun.

"Humans will have advanced a long, long way when religious belief has a cozy
little classification in the DSM*."
David Melville (in r.a.s.f1)
(*Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders)
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2018-06-12 15:54:21 UTC
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However as an intelligent person with an analytical mind
Oh my. This coming from a fool that is pirating his
F1 tv coverage, waiting for his next government
hand out cheque and blaming his woes on bad luck.
M2T
2018-06-12 07:21:21 UTC
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From the official account it was the official on the stand who told her to wave the flag because they got a confused message about what lap it was.
So nothing to do with the celebrity nature of the flag waver, apparently.
That stinks of coverup. The new Yank owners are fucking obsessed with
celebs. They're everywhere and 99% of them know fuck all about motor
racing, let alone F1. In their own insular world, LM might know these
celebs they keep pulling out of their arses, but the rest of the world
hasn't got a clue who they are and frankly, don't fucking care. Keep
the celebs in the background and don't them and their bodyguards onto
the grids, otherwise we'll see even more fuckups. In case no one heard,
Mark Webber was manhandled by some heavy, on the grid at Monaco, who
wanted to know why he and DC were talking to his boss. How fucking
stupid is that? Will Martin Brundle get a thump for sticking a
microphone under a tennis players nose at a race?
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2018-06-12 11:21:28 UTC
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From the official account it was the official on the stand who told
her to wave the flag because they got a confused message about what
lap it was. So nothing to do with the celebrity nature of the flag
waver,
apparently.
That stinks of coverup. The new Yank owners are fucking obsessed with
celebs. They're everywhere and 99% of them know fuck all about motor
racing, let alone F1. In their own insular world, LM might know these
celebs they keep pulling out of their arses, but the rest of the world
hasn't got a clue who they are and frankly, don't fucking care. Keep
the celebs in the background and don't them and their bodyguards onto
the grids, otherwise we'll see even more fuckups. In case no one
heard, Mark Webber was manhandled by some heavy, on the grid at
Monaco, who wanted to know why he and DC were talking to his boss. How
fucking stupid is that? Will Martin Brundle get a thump for
sticking a microphone under a tennis players nose at a race?
The explaining (and discussion) played out on social media (of course);


--
Shaun.

"Humans will have advanced a long, long way when religious belief has a cozy
little classification in the DSM*."
David Melville (in r.a.s.f1)
(*Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders)
M2T
2018-06-12 11:57:53 UTC
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From the official account it was the official on the stand who told
her to wave the flag because they got a confused message about what
lap it was. So nothing to do with the celebrity nature of the flag
waver,
apparently.
That stinks of coverup. The new Yank owners are fucking obsessed with
celebs. They're everywhere and 99% of them know fuck all about motor
racing, let alone F1. In their own insular world, LM might know these
celebs they keep pulling out of their arses, but the rest of the world
hasn't got a clue who they are and frankly, don't fucking care. Keep
the celebs in the background and don't them and their bodyguards onto
the grids, otherwise we'll see even more fuckups. In case no one
heard, Mark Webber was manhandled by some heavy, on the grid at
Monaco, who wanted to know why he and DC were talking to his boss. How
fucking stupid is that? Will Martin Brundle get a thump for
sticking a microphone under a tennis players nose at a race?
The explaining (and discussion) played out on social media (of course);
http://youtu.be/RQb80yeSi9I
One way of taking F1 to a large audience. That bloke has 1.2m followers
and the way things are going, F1 will need every one of them.
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2018-06-12 11:53:08 UTC
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 From the official account it was the official on the stand who told
her to wave the flag because they got a confused message about what
lap it was.
So nothing to do with the celebrity nature of the flag waver, apparently.
That stinks of coverup. The new Yank owners are fucking obsessed with
celebs.  They're everywhere and 99% of them know fuck all about motor
racing, let alone F1.
Brundle's grid walk celebrity interviews couldn't turn up a single one
with a clue.

"WINNING!"
bra
2018-06-12 15:45:25 UTC
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From the official account it was the official on the stand who told her to wave the flag because they got a confused message about what lap it was.
So nothing to do with the celebrity nature of the flag waver, apparently.
Check your television footage; on my screen the countdown showed 70/70 laps complete BEFORE VETTEL STARTED HIS 69TH LAP.

Winnie Harlow was ordered to wave the flag, and she did so. Nobody on the starter's stand challenged the starter's mistake.

Boy, are we ever ready to kick the innocent ----
bra
2018-06-12 15:49:54 UTC
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Check your television footage; on my screen the countdown showed 70/70 laps complete BEFORE VETTEL STARTED HIS 69TH LAP.
OKAY, OKAY --- see, even the great "I am" makes an error. I meant to say that the TV screens showed 70/70 laps complete before Vettel began his 70th lap.

And I made that error without being in the madness and stress of the starter's podium.

I vote Winnie Harlow innocent.
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2018-06-12 16:47:32 UTC
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Check your television footage; on my screen the countdown showed 70/70 laps complete BEFORE VETTEL STARTED HIS 69TH LAP.
OKAY, OKAY --- see, even the great "I am" makes an error. I meant to say that the TV screens showed 70/70 laps complete before Vettel began his 70th lap.
And I made that error without being in the madness and stress of the starter's podium.
I vote Winnie Harlow innocent.
Few things could be more obvious. Does anyone really
believe that she willy-nilly decided to wave that flag
whenever she felt like it? Doesn't anyone in authority
take responsibility for when to provide her the flag
and cue her as to when to wave it, making sure that
she neither waves it too soon nor too late? All of
this bigoted criticism of her actions, not to mention
her appearance, is really beyond the pale.
bra
2018-06-12 16:59:38 UTC
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Check your television footage; on my screen the countdown showed 70/70 laps complete BEFORE VETTEL STARTED HIS 69TH LAP.
OKAY, OKAY --- see, even the great "I am" makes an error. I meant to say that the TV screens showed 70/70 laps complete before Vettel began his 70th lap.
And I made that error without being in the madness and stress of the starter's podium.
I vote Winnie Harlow innocent.
Few things could be more obvious. Does anyone really
believe that she willy-nilly decided to wave that flag
whenever she felt like it? Doesn't anyone in authority
take responsibility for when to provide her the flag
and cue her as to when to wave it, making sure that
she neither waves it too soon nor too late? All of
this bigoted criticism of her actions, not to mention
her appearance, is really beyond the pale.
10/10, Heron.
geoff
2018-06-12 20:24:05 UTC
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Check your television footage; on my screen the countdown showed
70/70 laps complete BEFORE VETTEL STARTED HIS 69TH LAP.
OKAY, OKAY --- see, even the great "I am" makes an error. I meant to
say that the TV screens showed 70/70 laps complete before Vettel began
his 70th lap.
And I made that error without being in the madness and stress of the starter's podium.
I vote Winnie Harlow innocent.
Few things could be more obvious. Does anyone really
believe that she willy-nilly decided to wave that flag
whenever she felt like it? Doesn't anyone in authority
take responsibility for when to provide her the flag
and cue her as to when to wave it, making sure that
she neither waves it too soon nor too late? All of
this bigoted criticism of her actions, not to mention
her appearance, is really beyond the pale.
Agreed.

geoff
Bigbird
2018-06-12 06:34:42 UTC
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Re the chequered flag shambles in Canada which brought about a
weird race distance outcome.
This is what happens when you give the flag to a person to wave
whose only 'qualification' is being 'un-ugly' (though I thought
she was un-attractive). --
Shaun.
http://youtu.be/x30A0f_j6W4
Yeah yeah.
I still dislike the whole "get a bimbo to wave the flag - but we
can't have them on the grid!!"
You do realise the reason they are no longer on the grid is because of
the view of them that you express "bimbos".

It is only when people like you speak up that I realise that the people
pulling them off the grid may have had a point.
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I'll bet your testicles that it
wouldn't have happened if it were an FIA official waving the flag.
The same FIA official that told her to wave the flag?

I don't know why you are in possesssion of builds testes but I'd say
he's won them back.
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Getting someone unfamiliar with the process to do it introduces too
many chances for errors - as we found out. I mean you need to get her
there around the right time, then you need to hand her the flag, then
tell her which car to wave it for. Too much critical communication in
a tiny crowded and noisy box overlooking 300kmph cars.
That sounds poorly informed and rather more comples than what is in
effect pointing to someone and saying "now".
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Better to let an official do the damn job and keep the eye-candy and
star power <cough> on the grid where it belongs.
Pele is "eye candy"? Each to their own.
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2018-06-12 11:15:34 UTC
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Re the chequered flag shambles in Canada which brought about a
weird race distance outcome.
This is what happens when you give the flag to a person to wave
whose only 'qualification' is being 'un-ugly' (though I thought
she was un-attractive). --
Shaun.
http://youtu.be/x30A0f_j6W4
Yeah yeah.
I still dislike the whole "get a bimbo to wave the flag - but we
can't have them on the grid!!"
You do realise the reason they are no longer on the grid is because of
the view of them that you express "bimbos".
It is only when people like you speak up that I realise that the
people pulling them off the grid may have had a point.
"People like you" huh? I was paraphrasing and you think now you understand
me? Goodo.
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Post by ~misfit~
I'll bet your testicles that it
wouldn't have happened if it were an FIA official waving the flag.
The same FIA official that told her to wave the flag?
I don't know why you are in possesssion of builds testes but I'd say
he's won them back.
Do you think everybody is in posession of everything that they bet? What a
simple world-view!
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Post by ~misfit~
Getting someone unfamiliar with the process to do it introduces too
many chances for errors - as we found out. I mean you need to get her
there around the right time, then you need to hand her the flag, then
tell her which car to wave it for. Too much critical communication in
a tiny crowded and noisy box overlooking 300kmph cars.
That sounds poorly informed and rather more comples than what is in
effect pointing to someone and saying "now".
Life's like that. Complex and messy. You seem to think that she was in the
box with the flag the whole time waiting to be pointed at and be told "Now".
What's the turn of phrase? "Poorly informed"?
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Post by ~misfit~
Better to let an official do the damn job and keep the eye-candy and
star power <cough> on the grid where it belongs.
Pele is "eye candy"? Each to their own.
I did say "and star power" but I see what you're thinking (and aren't that
surprised to be frank). Each to their own indeed.
--
Shaun.

"Humans will have advanced a long, long way when religious belief has a cozy
little classification in the DSM*."
David Melville (in r.a.s.f1)
(*Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders)
Bigbird
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Re the chequered flag shambles in Canada which brought
about a weird race distance outcome.
This is what happens when you give the flag to a person to
wave whose only 'qualification' is being 'un-ugly' (though I
thought she was un-attractive). --
Shaun.
http://youtu.be/x30A0f_j6W4
Yeah yeah.
I still dislike the whole "get a bimbo to wave the flag - but we
can't have them on the grid!!"
You do realise the reason they are no longer on the grid is because
of the view of them that you express "bimbos".
It is only when people like you speak up that I realise that the
people pulling them off the grid may have had a point.
"People like you" huh? I was paraphrasing and you think now you
understand me? Goodo.
I read what you wrote and responded to it. If you don't like it look to
what you wrote.
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Post by ~misfit~
I'll bet your testicles that it
wouldn't have happened if it were an FIA official waving the flag.
The same FIA official that told her to wave the flag?
I don't know why you are in possesssion of builds testes but I'd say
he's won them back.
Do you think everybody is in posession of everything that they bet?
What a simple world-view!
<sigh>
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Post by Bigbird
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Getting someone unfamiliar with the process to do it introduces
too many chances for errors - as we found out. I mean you need to
get her there around the right time, then you need to hand her
the flag, then tell her which car to wave it for. Too much
critical communication in a tiny crowded and noisy box
overlooking 300kmph cars.
That sounds poorly informed and rather more comples than what is in
effect pointing to someone and saying "now".
Life's like that. Complex and messy. You seem to think that she was
in the box with the flag the whole time waiting to be pointed at and
be told "Now". What's the turn of phrase? "Poorly informed"?
There is nothing in what I said that would make you think that; so not
so much poorly informed as just ignorant or playing dumb.

As you are being particularly ignorant I was tempted to elaborate...
but I'd just be wasting my time.

If you really can't grasp how wrong you are I can't say I care.
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Better to let an official do the damn job and keep the eye-candy and
star power <cough> on the grid where it belongs.
Pele is "eye candy"? Each to their own.
I did say "and star power" but I see what you're thinking (and aren't
that surprised to be frank).
Given you level of insight so far I somewhat doubt it.
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Each to their own indeed.
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2018-06-13 23:23:09 UTC
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Re the chequered flag shambles in Canada which brought about a weird
race distance outcome.
This is what happens when you give the flag to a person to wave whose only
'qualification' is being 'un-ugly' (though I thought she was un-attractive).
Brawn says “I was sad to see her so heavily criticised when, as race
director Charlie Whiting explained, it was all down to a
misunderstanding between two officials. Winnie simply followed the
instructions she was given and I want to apologise for the grief she
received and thank her for supporting Formula 1."

FWIW I would not find her un-attractive, except a little put off by the
vitiligo thing. But I guess that is her point in being a spokesperson.

geoff

Brian W Lawrence
2018-06-11 07:32:44 UTC
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'Formula One race director Charlie Whiting said the error was caused by
simple miscommunication between the official starter and crew in the
starter's tower, which resulted in model Winnie Harlow - a friend of
Mercedes world champion Lewis Hamilton - waving the flag prematurely.

"It was a miscommunication between the start platform and the guy they
call the starter here," explained Whiting. "He thought it was the last
lap and asked them at the top to confirm it, they confirmed it.

"They thought he was making a statement when in fact he was asking a
question.

"He told the flag waver to wave it a lap early. It was as simple as
that, it wasn't anything to do with the fact it was a celebrity flag waver.

"The celebrity was not to blame."'


<https://uk.sports.yahoo.com/news/f1-review-procedures-early-flag-canada-235644302--spt.html>
~misfit~
2018-06-11 07:52:47 UTC
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'Formula One race director Charlie Whiting said the error was caused
by simple miscommunication between the official starter and crew in
the starter's tower, which resulted in model Winnie Harlow - a friend
of Mercedes world champion Lewis Hamilton - waving the flag
prematurely.
"It was a miscommunication between the start platform and the guy they
call the starter here," explained Whiting. "He thought it was the last
lap and asked them at the top to confirm it, they confirmed it.
"They thought he was making a statement when in fact he was asking a
question.
"He told the flag waver to wave it a lap early. It was as simple as
that, it wasn't anything to do with the fact it was a celebrity flag waver.
"The celebrity was not to blame."'
<https://uk.sports.yahoo.com/news/f1-review-procedures-early-flag-canada-235644302--spt.html>
Thanks. I've since watched the after-show and I see that the FIA were very
quick to say that. Very. Then again they would wouldn't they? Better to
blame a miscommunication between nameless officials than to shame a
celebrity (when Liberty / FIA are trying *so* hard to get 'the beautiful
people' involved in the F1 races).
--
Shaun.

"Humans will have advanced a long, long way when religious belief has a cozy
little classification in the DSM*."
David Melville (in r.a.s.f1)
(*Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders)
larkim
2018-06-11 08:03:10 UTC
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'Formula One race director Charlie Whiting said the error was caused
by simple miscommunication between the official starter and crew in
the starter's tower, which resulted in model Winnie Harlow - a friend
of Mercedes world champion Lewis Hamilton - waving the flag
prematurely.
"It was a miscommunication between the start platform and the guy they
call the starter here," explained Whiting. "He thought it was the last
lap and asked them at the top to confirm it, they confirmed it.
"They thought he was making a statement when in fact he was asking a
question.
"He told the flag waver to wave it a lap early. It was as simple as
that, it wasn't anything to do with the fact it was a celebrity flag waver.
"The celebrity was not to blame."'
<https://uk.sports.yahoo.com/news/f1-review-procedures-early-flag-canada-235644302--spt.html>
Thanks. I've since watched the after-show and I see that the FIA were very
quick to say that. Very. Then again they would wouldn't they? Better to
blame a miscommunication between nameless officials than to shame a
celebrity (when Liberty / FIA are trying *so* hard to get 'the beautiful
people' involved in the F1 races).
--
Shaun.
"Humans will have advanced a long, long way when religious belief has a cozy
little classification in the DSM*."
David Melville (in r.a.s.f1)
(*Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders)
Just out of curiosity, why when she waved the flag one lap from the end
are the classifications taken from 2 laps from the end? Is that just some
oddity of the rules to cater for scenarios where the race is terminated
early due to other factors which are a bit more complex than the flag
waving error (e.g. red flag incident close to the end etc)?
~misfit~
2018-06-11 08:51:13 UTC
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'Formula One race director Charlie Whiting said the error was caused
by simple miscommunication between the official starter and crew in
the starter's tower, which resulted in model Winnie Harlow - a
friend of Mercedes world champion Lewis Hamilton - waving the flag
prematurely.
"It was a miscommunication between the start platform and the guy
they call the starter here," explained Whiting. "He thought it was
the last lap and asked them at the top to confirm it, they
confirmed it.
"They thought he was making a statement when in fact he was asking a
question.
"He told the flag waver to wave it a lap early. It was as simple as
that, it wasn't anything to do with the fact it was a celebrity flag waver.
"The celebrity was not to blame."'
<https://uk.sports.yahoo.com/news/f1-review-procedures-early-flag-canada-235644302--spt.html>
Thanks. I've since watched the after-show and I see that the FIA
were very quick to say that. Very. Then again they would wouldn't
they? Better to blame a miscommunication between nameless officials
than to shame a celebrity (when Liberty / FIA are trying *so* hard
to get 'the beautiful people' involved in the F1 races).
--
Shaun.
"Humans will have advanced a long, long way when religious belief
has a cozy little classification in the DSM*."
David Melville (in r.a.s.f1)
(*Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders)
Just out of curiosity, why when she waved the flag one lap from the
end are the classifications taken from 2 laps from the end? Is that
just some oddity of the rules to cater for scenarios where the race
is terminated early due to other factors which are a bit more complex
than the flag waving error (e.g. red flag incident close to the end
etc)?
Yep. If a race is flagged prematurely it's usually due to an incident so the
results are taken from the last full lap completed before the race was
'flagged'.

Because of that Dan Riccardos fastest lap doesn't stand, it goes back to Max
Verstappen.
--
Shaun.

"Humans will have advanced a long, long way when religious belief has a cozy
little classification in the DSM*."
David Melville (in r.a.s.f1)
(*Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders)
t***@gmail.com
2018-06-11 15:35:42 UTC
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I've since watched the after-show
Your pirated after-show. Thief. Loser.
bra
2018-06-11 17:28:56 UTC
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[---------------------] the error was caused by
simple miscommunication between the official starter and crew in the
starter's tower, which resulted in model Winnie Harlow - a friend of
Mercedes world champion Lewis Hamilton - waving the flag prematurely.
Flanders & Swann spring to mind, their FRIENDLY DUET, which ends with ---

So guard against gossip, and take every care,
Lest some blameless escutcheon you blot,
Such models of friendship are precious and rare,
Though the friendship of models is not!

YouTube starts at 30secs:

bra
2018-06-12 03:51:14 UTC
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Re the chequered flag shambles in Canada which brought about a weird race distance outcome.
Didn't O.J. Simpson wave a flag wrongly at a GP?
t***@gmail.com
2018-06-12 03:57:44 UTC
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Didn't O.J. Simpson wave a flag wrongly at a GP?
Does someone wipe your a ass too?
Brian W Lawrence
2018-06-12 11:56:39 UTC
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I think that the 2014 Chinese GP was flagged a lap early in error
too.
larkim
2018-06-12 14:37:20 UTC
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I think that the 2014 Chinese GP was flagged a lap early in error
too.
I'm sure when you said "I think" you meant "I know", but in case anyone
doubts you...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Chinese_Grand_Prix#Race
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