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Which sponsor withdrawal sank the Surtees team?
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2018-02-11 16:58:48 UTC
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In 2008 the Super Aguri team were sunk when a major sponsor defaulted on payments- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS_United_Group_Oil_%26_Gas_Company

I remember John Surtees saying the same about his team.

(The story goes that going into the 1979 season a sponsor promised money but not upfront - money which Surtees then spent upfront though. The sponsor defaulted leaving the team with a built car for 1979 but no money to run it - he tried to sue but simply broke even - i.e. he still didn't get the money but didn't lose any either by him going to court in the first place)

He never named the sponsor in interviews etc (and neither does Wikipedia etc) - I know that 3 sponsors he had in the 1970's were Brooke-Bond, Beta Tools, and Durex - but who defaulted on payment and wrecked his team?
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2018-02-12 05:51:39 UTC
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In 2008 the Super Aguri team were sunk when a major sponsor defaulted on payments- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS_United_Group_Oil_%26_Gas_Company
I remember John Surtees saying the same about his team.
(The story goes that going into the 1979 season a sponsor promised money but not upfront - money which Surtees then spent upfront though. The sponsor defaulted leaving the team with a built car for 1979 but no money to run it - he tried to sue but simply broke even - i.e. he still didn't get the money but didn't lose any either by him going to court in the first place)
He never named the sponsor in interviews etc (and neither does Wikipedia etc) - I know that 3 sponsors he had in the 1970's were Brooke-Bond, Beta Tools, and Durex - but who defaulted on payment and wrecked his team?
"Withdrawal" ? Sounds like Durex to me ....

geoff
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2018-02-12 08:46:55 UTC
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In 2008 the Super Aguri team were sunk when a major sponsor defaulted on
payments- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS_United_Group_Oil_%26_Gas_Company
I remember John Surtees saying the same about his team.
(The story goes that going into the 1979 season a sponsor promised money
but not upfront - money which Surtees then spent upfront though. The
sponsor defaulted leaving the team with a built car for 1979 but no money
to run it - he tried to sue but simply broke even - i.e. he still didn't
get the money but didn't lose any either by him going to court in the first place)
He never named the sponsor in interviews etc (and neither does Wikipedia
etc) - I know that 3 sponsors he had in the 1970's were Brooke-Bond, Beta
Tools, and Durex - but who defaulted on payment and wrecked his team?
The Durex sponsorship certainly attracted a lot of publicity. Whether this
was good or bad for the sponsor I’m not sure but I seem to remember that
Aunty BBC refused to show the Surtees cars.
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2018-02-12 09:22:19 UTC
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In 2008 the Super Aguri team were sunk when a major sponsor defaulted on
payments- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS_United_Group_Oil_%26_Gas_Company
I remember John Surtees saying the same about his team.
(The story goes that going into the 1979 season a sponsor promised money
but not upfront - money which Surtees then spent upfront though. The
sponsor defaulted leaving the team with a built car for 1979 but no money
to run it - he tried to sue but simply broke even - i.e. he still didn't
get the money but didn't lose any either by him going to court in the first place)
He never named the sponsor in interviews etc (and neither does Wikipedia
etc) - I know that 3 sponsors he had in the 1970's were Brooke-Bond, Beta
Tools, and Durex - but who defaulted on payment and wrecked his team?
The Durex sponsorship certainly attracted a lot of publicity. Whether this
was good or bad for the sponsor I’m not sure but I seem to remember that
Aunty BBC refused to show the Surtees cars.
As I recall, there was great unhappiness in the realm because Lauda and Hunt were engaged in an epic championship battle, but the Beeb were refusing to show races because of that unspeakable word on Jones's Surtees.
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2018-02-12 13:11:16 UTC
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As I recall, there was great unhappiness in the realm because Lauda and Hunt were engaged in an epic championship battle, but the Beeb were refusing to show races because of that unspeakable word on Jones's Surtees.
Couldn't they have done something likes Jordan's "BE ON EDGE"?
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2018-02-13 07:34:54 UTC
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As I recall, there was great unhappiness in the realm because Lauda and Hunt were engaged in an epic championship battle, but the Beeb were refusing to show races because of that unspeakable word on Jones's Surtees.
Couldn't they have done something likes Jordan's "BE ON EDGE"?
I vaguely remember the team agreeing to paint over the word at one race. It was a wet race, and the paint was not very waterproof...
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2018-02-13 10:06:24 UTC
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As I recall, there was great unhappiness in the realm because Lauda
and Hunt were engaged in an epic championship battle, but the Beeb
were refusing to show races because of that unspeakable word on
Jones's Surtees.
Couldn't they have done something likes Jordan's "BE ON EDGE"?
I vaguely remember the team agreeing to paint over the word at one race.
It was a wet race, and the paint was not very waterproof...
why on earth would anyone have had an issue with sticky tape anyway ;-)
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2018-02-13 10:30:23 UTC
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As I recall, there was great unhappiness in the realm because Lauda
and Hunt were engaged in an epic championship battle, but the Beeb
were refusing to show races because of that unspeakable word on
Jones's Surtees.
Couldn't they have done something likes Jordan's "BE ON EDGE"?
I vaguely remember the team agreeing to paint over the word at one race.
It was a wet race, and the paint was not very waterproof...
why on earth would anyone have had an issue with sticky tape anyway ;-)
Or any other lawful product.

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As I recall, there was great unhappiness in the realm because Lauda
and Hunt were engaged in an epic championship battle, but the Beeb
were refusing to show races because of that unspeakable word on
Jones's Surtees.
Couldn't they have done something likes Jordan's "BE ON EDGE"?
I vaguely remember the team agreeing to paint over the word at one race.
It was a wet race, and the paint was not very waterproof...
why on earth would anyone have had an issue with sticky tape anyway ;-)
Or any other lawful product.
If you know what it is then you know what it is. If you don't then you'll think nothing of it.
Presumably because they were worried about a situation where some young kid would ask 'Granny, what is "Durex"?'

Legal and suitable for polite conversation are not the same thing.
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2018-02-13 11:58:02 UTC
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As I recall, there was great unhappiness in the realm because Lauda
and Hunt were engaged in an epic championship battle, but the Beeb
were refusing to show races because of that unspeakable word on
Jones's Surtees.
Couldn't they have done something likes Jordan's "BE ON EDGE"?
I vaguely remember the team agreeing to paint over the word at one race.
It was a wet race, and the paint was not very waterproof...
why on earth would anyone have had an issue with sticky tape anyway ;-)
Or any other lawful product.
If you know what it is then you know what it is. If you don't then you'll think nothing of it.
Presumably because they were worried about a situation where some young kid would ask 'Granny, what is "Durex"?'
Legal and suitable for polite conversation are not the same thing.
Assuming Granny isn't about to go into anatomical details of reproduction there and then, something along the lines of "It's something they sell at the pharmacy" would probably suffice.
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2018-02-13 15:10:32 UTC
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As I recall, there was great unhappiness in the realm because
Lauda and Hunt were engaged in an epic championship battle,
but the Beeb were refusing to show races because of that
unspeakable word on Jones's Surtees.
Couldn't they have done something likes Jordan's "BE ON EDGE"?
I vaguely remember the team agreeing to paint over the word at one race.
It was a wet race, and the paint was not very waterproof...
why on earth would anyone have had an issue with sticky tape anyway ;-)
Or any other lawful product.
If you know what it is then you know what it is. If you don't then
you'll think nothing of it.
Presumably because they were worried about a situation where some young
kid would ask 'Granny, what is "Durex"?'
Legal and suitable for polite conversation are not the same thing.
Assuming Granny isn't about to go into anatomical details of
reproduction there and then, something along the lines of "It's
something they sell at the pharmacy" would probably suffice.
would have been embarrassing for the sponsor if the car got a puncture
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2018-02-13 17:20:47 UTC
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would have been embarrassing for the sponsor if the car got a puncture
I can't remember where I saw the photos, but they positioned a
Durex Surtees pic next to a Penthouse Rizla Hesketh, which was
sponsored by Penthouse magazine and featured a Penthouse Pet.

The caption was 'Wouldn't it be fun if this car banged that one'.


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Geoff
2018-02-13 21:07:19 UTC
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would have been embarrassing for the sponsor if the car got a puncture
Or skidded off into the wrong area (_)*(_)

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2018-02-13 21:06:23 UTC
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u know what it is then you know what it is. If you don't then you'll
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Presumably because they were worried about a situation where some young kid would ask 'Granny, what is "Durex"?'
Legal and suitable for polite conversation are not the same thing.
Assuming Granny isn't about to go into anatomical details of reproduction there and then, something along the lines of "It's something they sell at the pharmacy" would probably suffice.
Supermarket shelves these days too. Not quite at the impulse-buy section
of the checkout...

geoff
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2018-02-14 02:48:16 UTC
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Presumably because they were worried about a situation where some young kid would ask 'Granny, what is "Durex"?'
Legal and suitable for polite conversation are not the same thing.
Assuming Granny isn't about to go into anatomical details of reproduction there and then, something along the lines of "It's something they sell at the pharmacy" would probably suffice.
Supermarket shelves these days too. Not quite at the impulse-buy section
of the checkout...
They are, here in Russia. Right next to the Tic-Tacs.
Geoff
2018-02-14 03:31:29 UTC
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u know what it is then you know what it is. If you don't then you'll
think nothing of it.
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Presumably because they were worried about a situation where some young kid would ask 'Granny, what is "Durex"?'
Legal and suitable for polite conversation are not the same thing.
Assuming Granny isn't about to go into anatomical details of reproduction there and then, something along the lines of "It's something they sell at the pharmacy" would probably suffice.
Supermarket shelves these days too. Not quite at the impulse-buy section
of the checkout...
They are, here in Russia. Right next to the Tic-Tacs.
If you look a bit gay (like Texarse) do you get shuffled into a dark van
as you leave the supermarket ?

geoff
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2018-02-14 03:49:28 UTC
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u know what it is then you know what it is. If you don't then you'll
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Presumably because they were worried about a situation where some young kid would ask 'Granny, what is "Durex"?'
Legal and suitable for polite conversation are not the same thing.
Assuming Granny isn't about to go into anatomical details of reproduction there and then, something along the lines of "It's something they sell at the pharmacy" would probably suffice.
Supermarket shelves these days too. Not quite at the impulse-buy section
of the checkout...
They are, here in Russia. Right next to the Tic-Tacs.
If you look a bit gay (like Texarse) do you get shuffled into a dark van
as you leave the supermarket ?
Not outside of Chechnya :-)

I've been surprised how many Russians are prejudiced against not only homosexuals but also jews, muslims, africans, arabs, and asians. Not to the point of killing them ... they just wouldn't want one in the family .. or preferably next door either. They love other white peoples but think that EU, UK, Scandinavia, USA are allowing themselves to be corrupted and Russia is the one remaining defender of European culture/Christianity.
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2018-02-14 04:17:28 UTC
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I've been surprised how many Russians are prejudiced against not only homosexuals but also jews, muslims, africans, arabs, and asians.
To me, the greatest disappointment over the fall of the USSR and its bloc was not the demise of a communist state, but the undercover existence and sudden eruption of free-market gangsterism, prostitution, and especially racism on a fervent Nazi scale.

I kept a press cutting from 1989, when skinheads marched in Leipzig with banners saying 'HITLER WAS RIGHT'. This, after 45 years of ostensible communist education and culture.

Likewise when Yugoslavia dissolved, after the same era of ostensible national culture, when the parochial, tribal, race and religion-based hatreds flared up with atrocities far worse than those of the USSR break-up.

Topic for a different thread, but Bruce's coment woke me up.
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2018-02-14 05:44:37 UTC
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I've been surprised how many Russians are prejudiced against not only homosexuals but also jews, muslims, africans, arabs, and asians.
To me, the greatest disappointment over the fall of the USSR and its bloc was not the demise of a communist state, but the undercover existence and sudden eruption of free-market gangsterism, prostitution, and especially racism on a fervent Nazi scale.
I kept a press cutting from 1989, when skinheads marched in Leipzig with banners saying 'HITLER WAS RIGHT'. This, after 45 years of ostensible communist education and culture.
A surprising number of people who speak about "equality" and "freedom" are saying "for people like me" under their breath.

The best current example is Aung San Suu Kyi, who has outed herself as a nationalist with no concern at all about an actively persecuted minority in her own country. I don't believe the Dalai Lama is any better - he's certainly homophobic and I wouldn't be surprised to find that he's not concerned about any universal rights as long as he gets what he wants for his people.
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I've been surprised how many Russians are prejudiced against not only
homosexuals but also jews, muslims, africans, arabs, and asians.
To me, the greatest disappointment over the fall of the USSR and its
bloc was not the demise of a communist state, but the undercover
existence and sudden eruption of free-market gangsterism, prostitution,
and especially racism on a fervent Nazi scale.
I kept a press cutting from 1989, when skinheads marched in Leipzig
with banners saying 'HITLER WAS RIGHT'. This, after 45 years of
ostensible communist education and culture.
A surprising number of people who speak about "equality" and "freedom"
are saying "for people like me" under their breath.
The best current example is Aung San Suu Kyi, who has outed herself as a
nationalist with no concern at all about an actively persecuted minority
in her own country. I don't believe the Dalai Lama is any better - he's
certainly homophobic and I wouldn't be surprised to find that he's not
concerned about any universal rights as long as he gets what he wants
for his people.
everyone has a natural (mild) tendency to distrust/dislike/discriminate
against people who are different. most intelligent people recognise these
feelings as incorrect & override them usually without even noticing.

however there will always be some who behave badly - a good example is
religion where race may not be an issue but in some segments have a v
poor attitude to Homosexuality & even in some cases disability ("Your
disability is a punishment for sins of your parents/in an earlier life)
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On Tuesday, February 13, 2018 at 9:44:39 PM UTC-8, ***@gmail.com wrote:

I don't believe the Dalai Lama is any better - he's certainly homophobic and I wouldn't be surprised to find that he's not concerned about any universal rights as long as he gets what he wants for his people.

I was once on stage-crew duty when the Dalai Lama did a speaking gig; the gentle smiling chap was accompanied by two VERY BIG men of the same ethnicity, not only wide-shouldered but with plenty of room under their armpits for whatever they wished to carry there --- they kept their eyes on everyone back-stage~
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Topic for a different thread,
You mean another group.
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On Tuesday, February 13, 2018 at 2:38:43 PM UTC+3,
u know what it is then you know what it is. If you don't then
you'll think nothing of it.
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Presumably because they were worried about a situation where
some young kid would ask 'Granny, what is "Durex"?'
Legal and suitable for polite conversation are not the same thing.
Assuming Granny isn't about to go into anatomical details of
reproduction there and then, something along the lines of "It's
something they sell at the pharmacy" would probably suffice.
Supermarket shelves these days too. Not quite at the impulse-buy
section of the checkout...
They are, here in Russia. Right next to the Tic-Tacs.
If you look a bit gay (like Texarse) do you get shuffled into a dark
van as you leave the supermarket ?
Not outside of Chechnya :-)
I've been surprised how many Russians are prejudiced against not only
homosexuals but also jews, muslims, africans, arabs, and asians. Not
to the point of killing them ... they just wouldn't want one in the
family .. or preferably next door either. They love other white
peoples but think that EU, UK, Scandinavia, USA are allowing
themselves to be corrupted and Russia is the one remaining defender
of European culture/Christianity.
My Ukrainian friend said the same thing (even before Russia annexed the
Crimea and Russian-backed rebels took over parts of Ukraine).
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Shaun.

"Humans will have advanced a long, long way when religious belief has a cozy
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My Ukrainian
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On Wednesday, 14 February 2018 03:49:30 UTC, Bruce Hoult wrote:

They love other white peoples but think that EU, UK, Scandinavia, USA are allowing themselves to be corrupted and Russia is the one remaining defender of European culture/Christianity.

Sounds about right to me.

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On Tuesday, February 13, 2018 at 2:38:43 PM UTC+3,
u know what it is then you know what it is. If you don't then you'll
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Presumably because they were worried about a situation where some
young kid would ask 'Granny, what is "Durex"?'
Legal and suitable for polite conversation are not the same thing.
Assuming Granny isn't about to go into anatomical details of
reproduction there and then, something along the lines of "It's
something they sell at the pharmacy" would probably suffice.
Supermarket shelves these days too. Not quite at the impulse-buy
section of the checkout...
They are, here in Russia. Right next to the Tic-Tacs.
I've seen them in the 'impulse buy' area of a supermarket here too in NZ,
either Pak'n'Save or Countdown (as they're the only supermarkets I visit).
--
Shaun.

"Humans will have advanced a long, long way when religious belief has a cozy
little classification in the DSM*."
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(*Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders)
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On Tuesday, February 13, 2018 at 2:38:43 PM UTC+3,
u know what it is then you know what it is. If you don't then you'll
think nothing of it.
Post by m***@gmail.com
Presumably because they were worried about a situation where some
young kid would ask 'Granny, what is "Durex"?'
Legal and suitable for polite conversation are not the same thing.
Assuming Granny isn't about to go into anatomical details of
reproduction there and then, something along the lines of "It's
something they sell at the pharmacy" would probably suffice.
Supermarket shelves these days too. Not quite at the impulse-buy
section of the checkout...
They are, here in Russia. Right next to the Tic-Tacs.
I've seen them in the 'impulse buy' area of a supermarket here too in NZ,
either Pak'n'Save or Countdown (as they're the only supermarkets I visit).
I'm a bit naughty, and have been known to drop a vibrator-toy into some
old dears shopping trolley.

geoff
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I'm a bit naughty,
and a dumb cunt too
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2018-02-14 20:33:03 UTC
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I'm a bit naughty,
and a dumb cunt too
Yeah, in a few trolleys of them too. Find one did you ? I'm sure you
found a use for it.

geoff
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Presumably because they were worried about a situation where some young kid would ask 'Granny, what is "Durex"?'
Legal and suitable for polite conversation are not the same thing.
What is impolite about contraceptives ? Great opportunity to start
non-hunguppedness for a child .

geoff
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As I recall, there was great unhappiness in the realm because
Lauda and Hunt were engaged in an epic championship battle, but
the Beeb were refusing to show races because of that unspeakable
word on Jones's Surtees.
Couldn't they have done something likes Jordan's "BE ON EDGE"?
I vaguely remember the team agreeing to paint over the word at one race.
It was a wet race, and the paint was not very waterproof...
why on earth would anyone have had an issue with sticky tape anyway ;-)
Or any other lawful product.
If you know what it is then you know what it is. If you don't then
you'll think nothing of it.
obviously not enough Ausies here (I am lead to believe that Durex is the
Australian equivalent of selotape/scotch tape)
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On Monday, February 12, 2018 at 5:22:21 PM UTC+8,
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As I recall, there was great unhappiness in the realm because
Lauda and Hunt were engaged in an epic championship battle, but
the Beeb were refusing to show races because of that unspeakable
word on Jones's Surtees.
Couldn't they have done something likes Jordan's "BE ON EDGE"?
I vaguely remember the team agreeing to paint over the word at one race.
It was a wet race, and the paint was not very waterproof...
why on earth would anyone have had an issue with sticky tape anyway ;-)
Or any other lawful product.
If you know what it is then you know what it is. If you don't then
you'll think nothing of it.
obviously not enough Ausies here
...
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(I am lead to believe that Durex is
the Australian equivalent of selotape/scotch tape)
It must have been an old Aussie https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Durex who
lead you to belive that.
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little classification in the DSM*."
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As I recall, there was great unhappiness in the realm because
Lauda and Hunt were engaged in an epic championship battle, but
the Beeb were refusing to show races because of that unspeakable
word on Jones's Surtees.
Couldn't they have done something likes Jordan's "BE ON EDGE"?
I vaguely remember the team agreeing to paint over the word at one race.
It was a wet race, and the paint was not very waterproof...
why on earth would anyone have had an issue with sticky tape anyway ;-)
Or any other lawful product.
If you know what it is then you know what it is. If you don't then
you'll think nothing of it.
obviously not enough Ausies here
...
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(I am lead to believe that Durex is the Australian equivalent of
selotape/scotch tape)
It must have been an old Aussie https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Durex who
lead you to belive that.
Actually British comedian Jasper Carrot who ha a whole routine based on
it (including TV refusing to show the car)
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In 2008 the Super Aguri team were sunk when a major sponsor defaulted on
payments- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS_United_Group_Oil_%26_Gas_Company
I remember John Surtees saying the same about his team.
(The story goes that going into the 1979 season a sponsor promised money
but not upfront - money which Surtees then spent upfront though. The
sponsor defaulted leaving the team with a built car for 1979 but no money
to run it - he tried to sue but simply broke even - i.e. he still didn't
get the money but didn't lose any either by him going to court in the first place)
He never named the sponsor in interviews etc (and neither does Wikipedia
etc) - I know that 3 sponsors he had in the 1970's were Brooke-Bond, Beta
Tools, and Durex - but who defaulted on payment and wrecked his team?
The Durex sponsorship certainly attracted a lot of publicity. Whether this
was good or bad for the sponsor I’m not sure but I seem to remember that
Aunty BBC refused to show the Surtees cars.
It would have been OK in Australia at the time because that was a brand
of sticky tape which caused a good deal of confusion among British
migrants :)
Brian W Lawrence
2018-02-12 16:11:38 UTC
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In 2008 the Super Aguri team were sunk when a major sponsor defaulted on payments- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS_United_Group_Oil_%26_Gas_Company
I remember John Surtees saying the same about his team.
(The story goes that going into the 1979 season a sponsor promised money but not upfront - money which Surtees then spent upfront though. The sponsor defaulted leaving the team with a built car for 1979 but no money to run it - he tried to sue but simply broke even - i.e. he still didn't get the money but didn't lose any either by him going to court in the first place)
He never named the sponsor in interviews etc (and neither does Wikipedia etc) - I know that 3 sponsors he had in the 1970's were Brooke-Bond, Beta Tools, and Durex - but who defaulted on payment and wrecked his team?
I'm not sure that is entirely correct.

Surtees began 1978 with Brambilla (19) & Keegan (18) driving TS19s.
Brambilla's car was sponsored by Beta Tools, while Keegan's was Durex,
and also British Air Ferries, who sponsored Keegan only. During the
season the team built 3 new TS20 chassis - 01 for Brambilla at MON,
02 for Keegan at BEL.

During the morning warm up at Zandvoort Keegan injured his wrist and
was unable to start. In the next race at Monza Carlo Franchi (aka
'Gimax') replaced Keegan in a new chassis 03 - used in practice at 3
previous GPs. Brambilla was seriously injured in the first lap accident.

For the final two races Beppe Gabbiani drove the #19 Brambilla car,
with Rene Arnoux in the #18 (03).

Team Surtees were going to continue in 1979 with the 3 TS20s, and in
fact, all 3 raced in 1979 in the Aurora AFX British F1 Championship.

As I understand it the money was required to hire a clear #1 driver, but
wasn't available in time for that, with (possibly) Arnoux leaving to
join Renault. The money, apparently, did eventually materialise, but too
late to rescue the team. Surtees announced their withdrawal 17 Nov 1978.

Since Brambilla was unable to race in 1980 and Keegan had been
lacklustre it seems likely that both Beta Tools & BAF may have wanted to
terminate their sponsorship.
m***@gmail.com
2018-02-13 03:05:35 UTC
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In 2008 the Super Aguri team were sunk when a major sponsor defaulted on payments- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS_United_Group_Oil_%26_Gas_Company
I remember John Surtees saying the same about his team.
(The story goes that going into the 1979 season a sponsor promised money but not upfront - money which Surtees then spent upfront though. The sponsor defaulted leaving the team with a built car for 1979 but no money to run it - he tried to sue but simply broke even - i.e. he still didn't get the money but didn't lose any either by him going to court in the first place)
He never named the sponsor in interviews etc (and neither does Wikipedia etc) - I know that 3 sponsors he had in the 1970's were Brooke-Bond, Beta Tools, and Durex - but who defaulted on payment and wrecked his team?
TBF, the Surtees team was often financially stretched, and almost from the start of their F1 effort they needed pay drivers.
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