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Prospective DotD
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2017-09-30 20:35:09 UTC
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VET
~misfit~
2017-09-30 23:38:20 UTC
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VET
Why? For tangling with Gasly and pushing him out of the race?
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2017-10-01 00:30:50 UTC
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VET
Why? For tangling with Gasly and pushing him out of the race?
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Shaun.
he said VET, not VER....

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2017-10-01 02:33:39 UTC
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VET
Why? For tangling with Gasly and pushing him out of the race?
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Shaun.
he said VET, not VER....
I doubt that VES and GAS will be on the same part of the track at the same
time. VET however will be trying to get through the pack with his usual
diplomacy....
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"Humans will have advanced a long, long way when religious belief has a cozy
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larkim
2017-10-01 11:55:39 UTC
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Do you need to bring your car back to the garage without crashing at slow speed to earn DotD?
Sir Tim
2017-10-01 13:22:11 UTC
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Post by larkim
Do you need to bring your car back to the garage without crashing at slow
speed to earn DotD?
:-)

It looked on Sky as though SV simply drove into LS, but then I saw this:



A stupid, clumsy accident either way
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geoff
2017-10-01 19:02:18 UTC
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Post by larkim
Do you need to bring your car back to the garage without crashing at slow
speed to earn DotD?
:-)
http://youtu.be/fZ80ZLmhoFs
A stupid, clumsy accident either way
Agreed, but STR could have been forgiven for expecting VET to be taking
the corner wide in order to pick up rubber, rather than heading for the
apex !
Sir Tim
2017-10-01 20:10:40 UTC
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Post by larkim
Do you need to bring your car back to the garage without crashing at slow
speed to earn DotD?
:-)
http://youtu.be/fZ80ZLmhoFs
A stupid, clumsy accident either way
Agreed, but STR could have been forgiven for expecting VET to be taking
the corner wide in order to pick up rubber, rather than heading for the
apex !
STR? Sorry, I'm confused.
Sir Tim
2017-10-01 20:16:19 UTC
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Do you need to bring your car back to the garage without crashing at slow
speed to earn DotD?
:-)
http://youtu.be/fZ80ZLmhoFs
A stupid, clumsy accident either way
Agreed, but STR could have been forgiven for expecting VET to be taking
the corner wide in order to pick up rubber, rather than heading for the
apex !
STR? Sorry, I'm confused.
My bad, I was thinking Scuderia Torro Rosso - must remember not to post
when I've been drinking :-(
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Geoff
2017-10-01 20:37:44 UTC
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My bad, I was thinking Scuderia Torro Rosso - must remember not to post
when I've been drinking :-(
;- ) ....... hic

geoff
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2017-10-02 04:34:45 UTC
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Do you need to bring your car back to the garage without crashing
at slow speed to earn DotD?
:-)
http://youtu.be/fZ80ZLmhoFs
A stupid, clumsy accident either way
Agreed, but STR could have been forgiven for expecting VET to be
taking the corner wide in order to pick up rubber, rather than
heading for the apex !
STR? Sorry, I'm confused.
My bad, I was thinking Scuderia Torro Rosso - must remember not to
post when I've been drinking :-(
I thought the same thing at first, then thought about it for a second. ;)
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Shaun.

"Humans will have advanced a long, long way when religious belief has a cozy
little classification in the DSM*."
David Melville (in r.a.s.f1)
(*Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders)
Geoff
2017-10-01 20:30:07 UTC
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Post by larkim
Do you need to bring your car back to the garage without crashing at slow
speed to earn DotD?
:-)
http://youtu.be/fZ80ZLmhoFs
A stupid, clumsy accident either way
Agreed, but STR could have been forgiven for expecting VET to be taking
the corner wide in order to pick up rubber, rather than heading for the
apex !
STR? Sorry, I'm confused.
Apparently - STRoll.

VETtel and he collided.

geoff
Alan Baker
2017-10-01 20:56:23 UTC
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Do you need to bring your car back to the garage without crashing at slow
speed to earn DotD?
:-)
http://youtu.be/fZ80ZLmhoFs
A stupid, clumsy accident either way
Agreed, but STR could have been forgiven for expecting VET to be taking
the corner wide in order to pick up rubber, rather than heading for the
apex !
This is why you don't pass people on a cooldown lap...

There's blame to be had on both sides there.
Yuhler Speertraeger
2017-10-01 19:12:28 UTC
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VET
+1 though VES also did great.
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Geoff
2017-10-01 20:19:26 UTC
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VET
+1 though VES also did great.
+ 1 VET for most of the race
Then -VET for the last few laps.
Then --VET for his contribution to the stupid crash.
Then ---VET for removing his steering wheel expressly against
regulations (what *WAS* that about ?).
Then ----VET for the silly illegal ride home.

So I guess that's +++1 VES for the initial pass, pulling out an
advantage, and maintaining it for the course of the race.

geoff
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2017-10-02 04:42:33 UTC
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VET
+1 though VES also did great.
+ 1 VET for most of the race
Yeah it's nice being on the prime tyre so all those in front on options pit
as you get near them.
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Then -VET for the last few laps.
Apparently the Ferrari was under-fueled as they expected at least one saftey
car. So he didn't have enough fuel to keep on attacking Dan any longer.
Post by Geoff
Then --VET for his contribution to the stupid crash.
Agreed.
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Then ---VET for removing his steering wheel expressly against
regulations (what *WAS* that about ?).
Consensus is that Ferrari have a trick clutch release that they'd like to
keep secret.
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Then ----VET for the silly illegal ride home.
He didn't want to turn down a Sauber - he might need a good relatrionship
with them in the future the way he's going. ;)
Post by Geoff
So I guess that's +++1 VES for the initial pass, pulling out an
advantage, and maintaining it for the course of the race.
Sounds fair.
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Shaun.

"Humans will have advanced a long, long way when religious belief has a cozy
little classification in the DSM*."
David Melville (in r.a.s.f1)
(*Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders)
Phil Carmody
2017-10-02 20:50:59 UTC
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Then ---VET for removing his steering wheel expressly against
regulations (what *WAS* that about ?).
Consensus is that Ferrari have a trick clutch release that they'd like to
keep secret.
Has there been any more on that? It was so clear he was taking the wheel
deliberately that he drew attention to it - surely there should be some
kind of official action?

I'm happy to join the consensus on this thread refarding the + and -s.

Phil
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~misfit~
2017-10-03 01:04:33 UTC
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Then ---VET for removing his steering wheel expressly against
regulations (what *WAS* that about ?).
Consensus is that Ferrari have a trick clutch release that they'd
like to keep secret.
Has there been any more on that? It was so clear he was taking the
wheel deliberately that he drew attention to it - surely there should
be some kind of official action?
I don't read a lot of F1 sites or subscribe to F1 'news' email lists as
others here do and so haven't heard anything further. However I think the
action speaks for itself - he must have taken the wheel to hide something as
the rules state that he needed to re-fit it before leaving the car. He
actually did re-fit it then reconsidered a few seconds later and walked back
from the Sauber to retrieve it and then dropped it on Pascals lap before
sitting on the side-pod.

I hope that the FIA are enforcing their rules consistently. There should be
a few points on his superlicence for those two infringements. After all it's
not like he needed to walk anywhere - the medical car was right behind the
Sauber and I'm sure it would have given him a lift. He had just been in an
'accident' after all.
Post by Phil Carmody
I'm happy to join the consensus on this thread refarding the + and -s.
Cheers,
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Shaun.

"Humans will have advanced a long, long way when religious belief has a cozy
little classification in the DSM*."
David Melville (in r.a.s.f1)
(*Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders)
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2017-10-03 01:22:28 UTC
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I don't read a lot of F1 sites
fag
Mark Jackson
2017-10-03 01:46:54 UTC
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Then ---VET for removing his steering wheel expressly against
regulations (what *WAS* that about ?).
Consensus is that Ferrari have a trick clutch release that
they'd like to keep secret.
Has there been any more on that? It was so clear he was taking the
wheel deliberately that he drew attention to it - surely there
should be some kind of official action?
I don't read a lot of F1 sites or subscribe to F1 'news' email lists
as others here do and so haven't heard anything further. However I
think the action speaks for itself - he must have taken the wheel to
hide something as the rules state that he needed to re-fit it before
leaving the car. He actually did re-fit it then reconsidered a few
seconds later and walked back from the Sauber to retrieve it and then
dropped it on Pascals lap before sitting on the side-pod.
Vettel says he couldn't refit the steering wheel because the column was
at full lock, and it occurred to him that if spectators got onto the
circuit the loose wheel might wander off, so he took it with him as a
precaution. Believe it or don't.
Post by ~misfit~
I hope that the FIA are enforcing their rules consistently. There
should be a few points on his superlicence for those two
infringements.
No action was taken. There's a stewards report about no action on the
Stroll collision but nothing on the FIA website about the steering wheel
or the Wehrlein ride.
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2017-10-03 01:51:46 UTC
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Post by Geoff
Then ---VET for removing his steering wheel expressly against
regulations (what *WAS* that about ?).
Consensus is that Ferrari have a trick clutch release that
they'd like to keep secret.
Has there been any more on that? It was so clear he was taking the
wheel deliberately that he drew attention to it - surely there
should be some kind of official action?
I don't read a lot of F1 sites or subscribe to F1 'news' email lists
as others here do and so haven't heard anything further. However I
think the action speaks for itself - he must have taken the wheel to
hide something as the rules state that he needed to re-fit it before
leaving the car. He actually did re-fit it then reconsidered a few
seconds later and walked back from the Sauber to retrieve it and then
dropped it on Pascals lap before sitting on the side-pod.
Vettel says he couldn't refit the steering wheel because the column was
at full lock, and it occurred to him that if spectators got onto the
circuit the loose wheel might wander off, so he took it with him as a
precaution.  Believe it or don't.
They "lost" a Boeing 777. How easily would the wheel have disappeared?
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2017-10-03 02:37:20 UTC
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Post by Geoff
Then ---VET for removing his steering wheel expressly against
regulations (what *WAS* that about ?).
Consensus is that Ferrari have a trick clutch release that
they'd like to keep secret.
Has there been any more on that? It was so clear he was taking the
wheel deliberately that he drew attention to it - surely there
should be some kind of official action?
I don't read a lot of F1 sites or subscribe to F1 'news' email lists
as others here do and so haven't heard anything further. However I
think the action speaks for itself - he must have taken the wheel to
hide something as the rules state that he needed to re-fit it before
leaving the car. He actually did re-fit it then reconsidered a few
seconds later and walked back from the Sauber to retrieve it and then
dropped it on Pascals lap before sitting on the side-pod.
Vettel says he couldn't refit the steering wheel because the column was
at full lock, and it occurred to him that if spectators got onto the
circuit the loose wheel might wander off, so he took it with him as a
precaution. Believe it or don't.
This has long been a problem. IIRC Mansell was a victim some years ago. Car stopped out on the track, by the time it was recovered it was missing some parts and was underweight.

There's nothing showing up anywhere sensible to suggest this "consensus" that Ferrari were hiding a trick clutch, though you won't need much "consensus" to get ~misfit~ to believe stuff involving Vettel.

The suggestion that they were fuelled light doesn't make much sense either. Vettel's strategy left him with half a race distance to run on the red stripe tyres, and he was running very fast. It's much more plausible that he was running out of tyres, and once that happened and it was clear he wasn't going to get Bottas he stopped putting unnecessary strain on the car.
~misfit~
2017-10-03 07:47:45 UTC
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Then ---VET for removing his steering wheel expressly against
regulations (what *WAS* that about ?).
Consensus is that Ferrari have a trick clutch release that
they'd like to keep secret.
Has there been any more on that? It was so clear he was taking the
wheel deliberately that he drew attention to it - surely there
should be some kind of official action?
I don't read a lot of F1 sites or subscribe to F1 'news' email lists
as others here do and so haven't heard anything further. However I
think the action speaks for itself - he must have taken the wheel to
hide something as the rules state that he needed to re-fit it before
leaving the car. He actually did re-fit it then reconsidered a few
seconds later and walked back from the Sauber to retrieve it and then
dropped it on Pascals lap before sitting on the side-pod.
Vettel says he couldn't refit the steering wheel because the column
was at full lock, and it occurred to him that if spectators got onto
the circuit the loose wheel might wander off, so he took it with him
as a precaution. Believe it or don't.
I just watched it again in light of that and yes, he didn't get it back on,
instead putting it on the floor and pushing it forward out of sight.
Obviously he thought better of it and then took it with him. (It didn't seem
like the wheels were at full lock but I guess the rack might have been...).
Then again it still could have been half-hinched by anyone with a clue or
two even if clipped in place.
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I hope that the FIA are enforcing their rules consistently. There
should be a few points on his superlicence for those two
infringements.
No action was taken. There's a stewards report about no action on the
Stroll collision but nothing on the FIA website about the steering
wheel or the Wehrlein ride.
I saw that there was to be no action take over the collision but have heard
nothing one way or the other on Vettels actions post-collision.

Cheers,
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Shaun.

"Humans will have advanced a long, long way when religious belief has a cozy
little classification in the DSM*."
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(*Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders)
John
2017-10-02 16:48:56 UTC
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If Vettel had mad the podium, but he didn't.

So it has to be Max.
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