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CS
2017-07-11 08:17:07 UTC
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Daniil Kvyat says he was unable to see much of what was happening in front of him, which resulted in Sunday's opening-lap collision in Austria. (Fox Sports Asia)

In that case slow down.

Time he started getting rewarded with some penalties. He is destroying too many driver's races too often.

At least 10 places at next race, or even end of pit lane out of everyone else's way.
~misfit~
2017-07-12 00:56:29 UTC
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Daniil Kvyat says he was unable to see much of what was happening in
front of him, which resulted in Sunday's opening-lap collision in
Austria. (Fox Sports Asia)
In that case slow down.
Time he started getting rewarded with some penalties. He is
destroying too many driver's races too often.
At least 10 places at next race, or even end of pit lane out of everyone else's way.
I agree. He went through a stage like this a while back and I'd hoped he'd
got over it. The trouble is he's driving for his career (especially with the
Sainz family media manipulation / shit-stirring a few days earlier) and
knows that unless he impesses he'll be out of F1. Red Bull Racing is a
cut-throat outfit and incidents like this are a direct result of that.

Ricciardo and Verstappen have caused a log-jam at the top of RBR's young
driver programme to the point where there are drivers like GP2 champion and
Red Bull driver Pierre Gasly is sitting around doing nothing as there are no
Red Bull seats opening up in F1. (Not that I'm overly-impressed with Gasly.
IMO he's one of maybe 10 drivers who could have won GP2, it's just that he
had the best backing...)

RBR are in a predicament. Their young driver programme has matured now, at a
time when they've got two very good drivers in the top team and no business
alliances (like Ferrari and Mercedes do) to give their drivers-in-waiting
seats and experience. That is the raison d'etre (sp?) of Torro Rosso, in the
absence of afore-mentioned alliances they need to be able to 'blood' drivers
for RBR proper. As such the team was designed to churn their drivers to find
the best sand both Kvyat and Sainz have been there a while now...

Sainz has also punted other cars off track more than once. It's the nature
of RBR to force their drivers beyond their comfort zones, keep them on their
back foot and I think that it's bad for F1. There are quite a few other F1
drivers who were taken out of races early because of it - and that's just
considering this year!
--
Shaun.

"Humans will have advanced a long, long way when religious belief has a cozy
little classification in the DSM*."
David Melville (in r.a.s.f1)
(*Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders)
Bobster
2017-07-12 03:11:11 UTC
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RBR are in a predicament. Their young driver programme has matured now, at a
time when they've got two very good drivers in the top team and no business
alliances (like Ferrari and Mercedes do) to give their drivers-in-waiting
seats and experience.
Not insurmountable. Ricciardo started F1 life in an HRT. One of the Merc junior drivers is currently with a team that has no connection with Merc other than the driver and perhaps some funding that comes with him.

The real congestion is in F1 itself. Just 20 drives. That effects all up and coming drivers.
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