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What's up with Vettel?
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1***@gmail.com
2017-10-01 15:05:28 UTC
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2 Races, 2 wrecked cars. Last race he drove into Verstappen and wrecked his team mate. In Malaysia he drove into Stroll trying to win the cool down lap.

Is he losing his mind? Does he need specs? What's going on?
alister
2017-10-01 17:42:46 UTC
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2 Races, 2 wrecked cars. Last race he drove into Verstappen and wrecked
his team mate. In Malaysia he drove into Stroll trying to win the cool
down lap.
Is he losing his mind? Does he need specs? What's going on?
FIA ruling:
"Neither driver could be considered ‘wholly or predominantly to blame’."

in which case I logic would dictate BOTH drivers to be partially (&
equally) to blame.
considering the timing of the accident it could hardly be called a
"Racing Incident".

should not the FIA have therefore reprimanded or penalised both drivers
to send a message regarding driving standards & these times?

Also should not Wehrlein also be investigated for giving Vet a lift?
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Alan Baker
2017-10-01 20:58:31 UTC
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2 Races, 2 wrecked cars. Last race he drove into Verstappen and
wrecked his team mate. In Malaysia he drove into Stroll trying to win
the cool down lap.
However you want to call the blame for the Singapore race, Vettel didn't
drive into anyone.

The order of contact was Raikkonen and Verstappen touched wheels, then
Raikkonen's car slews right into Vettel.
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Is he losing his mind? Does he need specs? What's going on?
Geoff
2017-10-01 21:49:23 UTC
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2 Races, 2 wrecked cars. Last race he drove into Verstappen and
wrecked his team mate. In Malaysia he drove into Stroll trying to win
the cool down lap.
However you want to call the blame for the Singapore race, Vettel didn't
drive into anyone.
The order of contact was Raikkonen and Verstappen touched wheels, then
Raikkonen's car slews right into Vettel.
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Is he losing his mind? Does he need specs? What's going on?
VER moving left and slowing in an attempt to avoid VET who swerving
across, then pinched to the point of touching RAI.

geoff
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2017-10-01 21:58:34 UTC
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2 Races, 2 wrecked cars. Last race he drove into Verstappen and
wrecked his team mate. In Malaysia he drove into Stroll trying to win
the cool down lap.
However you want to call the blame for the Singapore race, Vettel
didn't drive into anyone.
The order of contact was Raikkonen and Verstappen touched wheels, then
Raikkonen's car slews right into Vettel.
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Is he losing his mind? Does he need specs? What's going on?
VER moving left and slowing in an attempt to avoid VET who swerving
across, then pinched to the point of touching RAI.
geoff
Who are you going to believe, the admitted liar or your lying eyes?
Alan Baker
2017-10-01 22:03:45 UTC
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2 Races, 2 wrecked cars. Last race he drove into Verstappen and
wrecked his team mate. In Malaysia he drove into Stroll trying to win
the cool down lap.
However you want to call the blame for the Singapore race, Vettel
didn't drive into anyone.
The order of contact was Raikkonen and Verstappen touched wheels, then
Raikkonen's car slews right into Vettel.
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Is he losing his mind? Does he need specs? What's going on?
VER moving left and slowing in an attempt to avoid VET who swerving
across, then pinched to the point of touching RAI.
geoff
You can't characterize a move to the left that took over 2 seconds as
"swerving", sorry.
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2017-10-01 22:09:00 UTC
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2 Races, 2 wrecked cars. Last race he drove into Verstappen and
wrecked his team mate. In Malaysia he drove into Stroll trying to win
the cool down lap.
However you want to call the blame for the Singapore race, Vettel
didn't drive into anyone.
The order of contact was Raikkonen and Verstappen touched wheels,
then Raikkonen's car slews right into Vettel.
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Is he losing his mind? Does he need specs? What's going on?
VER moving left and slowing in an attempt to avoid VET who swerving
across, then pinched to the point of touching RAI.
geoff
You can't characterize a move to the left that took over 2 seconds as
"swerving", sorry.
Maybe clownboy will show you the regs that discuss
2 seconds; don't hold your breathe.
Alan Baker
2017-10-01 22:13:07 UTC
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2 Races, 2 wrecked cars. Last race he drove into Verstappen and
wrecked his team mate. In Malaysia he drove into Stroll trying to win
the cool down lap.
However you want to call the blame for the Singapore race, Vettel
didn't drive into anyone.
The order of contact was Raikkonen and Verstappen touched wheels,
then Raikkonen's car slews right into Vettel.
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Is he losing his mind? Does he need specs? What's going on?
VER moving left and slowing in an attempt to avoid VET who swerving
across, then pinched to the point of touching RAI.
geoff
You can't characterize a move to the left that took over 2 seconds as
"swerving", sorry.
Maybe clownboy will show you the regs that discuss
2 seconds; don't hold your breathe.
Words have meanings.

You should learn a few.

For instance, "breathe" is a VERB, not a noun.
larkim
2017-10-02 13:15:26 UTC
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2 Races, 2 wrecked cars. Last race he drove into Verstappen and
wrecked his team mate. In Malaysia he drove into Stroll trying to win
the cool down lap.
However you want to call the blame for the Singapore race, Vettel
didn't drive into anyone.
The order of contact was Raikkonen and Verstappen touched wheels,
then Raikkonen's car slews right into Vettel.
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Is he losing his mind? Does he need specs? What's going on?
VER moving left and slowing in an attempt to avoid VET who swerving
across, then pinched to the point of touching RAI.
geoff
You can't characterize a move to the left that took over 2 seconds as
"swerving", sorry.
Maybe clownboy will show you the regs that discuss
2 seconds; don't hold your breathe.
Words have meanings.
You should learn a few.
For instance, "breathe" is a VERB, not a noun.
Have we established that the SCCA rules aren't the ones the FIA uses though?
Grant
2017-10-02 12:56:01 UTC
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2 Races, 2 wrecked cars. Last race he drove into Verstappen and
wrecked his team mate. In Malaysia he drove into Stroll trying to win
the cool down lap.
However you want to call the blame for the Singapore race, Vettel didn't
drive into anyone.
The order of contact was Raikkonen and Verstappen touched wheels, then
Raikkonen's car slews right into Vettel.
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Is he losing his mind? Does he need specs? What's going on?
Oh you stupid twat SV left no room MV had no where to go.
Sir Tim
2017-10-04 10:51:22 UTC
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2 Races, 2 wrecked cars. Last race he drove into Verstappen and wrecked his team mate. In Malaysia he drove into Stroll trying to win the cool down lap.
Is he losing his mind? Does he need specs? What's going on?
He's certainly been behaving a bit oddly this season.

I can see no excuse for the Baku incident, he simply failed to control
his temper but at Singapore he was perfectly entitled to do what he did.
Question is, was it sensible given that he was only 3 points away from
leading the WDC and his only rival was well back on the grid.

In Malaysia he put in a simply stunning drive only to collide with
Stroll on the slowing down lap. Okay Stroll wasn't using his mirrors but
what the heck was Seb doing trying to overtake him anyway? Maybe the
adrenaline was still running so hard that he couldn't help himself.

I calculate that if Vettel wins all the remaining races he takes the
championship by 1 point, whatever Hamilton does. It's a tall order and
he'd better avoid any more incidents like the above.

I've got him down to win at Suzuka though!
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Bruce Hoult
2017-10-04 11:33:59 UTC
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I calculate that if Vettel wins all the remaining races he takes the
championship by 1 point, whatever Hamilton does. It's a tall order and
he'd better avoid any more incidents like the above.
If Hamilton has just one DNF then Vettel will be right back in it. Though so far he and Ocon are the only drivers to have finished (or even classified) in every race of the season.

Bottas and Ricciardo still have a mathematical chance of being WDC. Ricciardo has to outscore Hamilton by an average of 21 points a race to do that -- in particular by at least four points in Japan (and then win the rest of the races while Hamilton DNFs them all). Bottas only has to outscore Hamilton by 12 points a race from here on (and outscore Vettel by 5 points a race at the same time).

Vettel, as you point out, only needs to outscore Hamilton by 7 points a race.
Willsy
2017-10-04 11:16:06 UTC
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2 Races, 2 wrecked cars. Last race he drove into Verstappen and wrecked his team mate. In Malaysia he drove into Stroll trying to win the cool down lap.
Is he losing his mind? Does he need specs? What's going on?
I'll tell you what's wrong with Vettel. He's terrified of Maurizio Arrivabene.
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